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50 years on, and it is still politically incorrect to dare suggest that Mr. Hunter has only himself to blame for his own fate.
Like most other death of young black men.
Ouch!! Now that is RACIST.
Well no, thats statistics. But in this case it was a white criminal who used more force than necessary and so im with Stoneage on the verdict.
To suggest that most young black men who die only have themselves to blame is RACIST.
I am really alarmed at the degree of racism that is apparent on this forum.
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
How would it be possible for the one who "threw the first punch" to claim self-defense if they were the instigator ?
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
How would it be possible for the one who "threw the first punch" to claim self-defense if they were the instigator ?
This proves you still do not get how trials work. Nobody accused Passaro of throwing the first punch. You are treating all Hell's Angels like they are one person. That is not the way it works. Passaro is not responsible for the actions of the other Hells' Angels.
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
How would it be possible for the one who "threw the first punch" to claim self-defense if they were the instigator ?
This proves you still do not get how trials work. Nobody accused Passaro of throwing the first punch. You are treating all Hell's Angels like they are one person. That is not the way it works. Passaro is not responsible for the actions of the other Hells' Angels.
I know all too well how the court system works. I do not think that the knife play was Passaro's first interaction with the victim.
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Just imagine if the Black Panthers had been "hired" and it was some white guy with an incorrect attitude that had been "offed"...
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
How would it be possible for the one who "threw the first punch" to claim self-defense if they were the instigator ?
This proves you still do not get how trials work. Nobody accused Passaro of throwing the first punch. You are treating all Hell's Angels like they are one person. That is not the way it works. Passaro is not responsible for the actions of the other Hells' Angels.
I know all too well how the court system works. I do not think that the knife play was Passaro's first interaction with the victim.
Do you have anything to back to up?
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
How would it be possible for the one who "threw the first punch" to claim self-defense if they were the instigator ?
This proves you still do not get how trials work. Nobody accused Passaro of throwing the first punch. You are treating all Hell's Angels like they are one person. That is not the way it works. Passaro is not responsible for the actions of the other Hells' Angels.
I know all too well how the court system works. I do not think that the knife play was Passaro's first interaction with the victim.
Do you have anything to back to up?
Other footage from earlier on, indicates their relative proximity to one another and said distance could not have varied by much. It would appear that that point of the stage was Passaro's "post" so to speak. Meredith Hunter was assaulted before the escalation to the use of the knife.
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Just imagine if the Black Panthers had been "hired" and it was some white guy with an incorrect attitude that had been "offed"...
Oh that's easy, it's socially acceptable in todays society.
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I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation.
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One thing that I have noticed on this board is people think that Passaro should be judged ( in court ) for the actions of the Hell's Angels in general. During Passaro's trial he would have been judged just by his actions. He saw a gun that he reasonably thought was pointed at him and his friends and he knifed the guy and disarmed him. I can see what the verdict was not guilty. His testified that he knifed Hunter twice and that was it and then he was pushed away. he is not responsible for what happened after that.
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"I saw the guy, Meredith Hunter, with his gun out and I thought, 'Oh, crap, this is not good,' Scully says. "He was just running around the crowd it was sick just stepping on people. I just prayed that somebody would stop him, but who is going to wrestle a guy to the ground with a gun at a concert like that? "... Had (Passaro) not been there, there would have been havoc."[/b]
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One thing that I have noticed on this board is people think that Passaro should be judged ( in court ) for the actions of the Hell's Angels in general. During Passaro's trial he would have been judged just by his actions. He saw a gun that he reasonably thought was pointed at him and his friends and he knifed the guy and disarmed him. I can see what the verdict was not guilty. His testified that he knifed Hunter twice and that was it and then he was pushed away. he is not responsible for what happened after that.
Damn, it was a bad day and night altogether...
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50 years on, and it is still politically incorrect to dare suggest that Mr. Hunter has only himself to blame for his own fate.
Like most other death of young black men.
Ouch!! Now that is RACIST.
Well no, thats statistics. But in this case it was a white criminal who used more force than necessary and so im with Stoneage on the verdict.
To suggest that most young black men who die only have themselves to blame is RACIST.
I am really alarmed at the degree of racism that is apparent on this forum.
It sure sounds like a racist statement.Just like the racist statement you made calling people Rednecks back on page
4 of this thread. Just curious ,are you alarmed at yourself?
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Perhaps everyone can just agree that the angels were generally bad news?
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Hunter never pointed the gun at Passaro (according to available footage). So how is it that Passaro was acting in self defense (unless Hunter had threatened to shot him prior)? I always found that curious.
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Some bits about the gun
This happened about about 10-12 days after the incident:
"At the San Francisco District Attorney’s office, David turned over the footage; the Angels turned over the gun; and any threat of criminal prosecution for us was ended."
Schneider, Ronnie. Out of Our Heads with Proof of Truth: The Rolling Stones, The Beatles and Me (Kindle Locations 3436-3437). CLB, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
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Wild" is one way of looking back at the events of December 6, 1969. But when all of the Big People and the 300,000 pilgrims had gone home, there was only that wasteland of tromped-on, pissed-on grass, lost beads, lost earrings, lost panties and broken bottles. The scavengers pawed over the ground as once thieves had ransacked the bodies of the soldiers on the field of Waterloo. Even the gun of Meredith Hunter was lost on the field of Altamont: as he lay dying on his stomach, somebody stole it.
One of the objects shown to the jury was a 22-caliber Smith & Wesson revolver with a six-inch barrel. It was another hard-to-get item. The sheriff's people got it by contacting an inspector in the San Francisco police department who specializes in Hell's Angels. He talked to one of their leaders about the gun and was told: "It'll turn up on my porch one day." And it did (even though nobody knows for sure that it was Hunter's gun). Sergeant Donovan testified that the gun had not been fired in recent years. But when Passaro took the stand he said Hunter had fired his gun just before a knife, or knives, made hamburger of his back.
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And somewhere there is an article that has the police saying the gun was loaded
Think those "brothers" of Passaro helped get it loaded for "the man" in an effort to help him with his story ?