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lem motlow
wandering spirit was alot of mick just wanting to do a really good record after two not so good ones.his first two he was trying to make something very unsafe and un-rolling stones, which oddly enough is what he always gets grief from stones fans for not doing.
I think you're wrong : MJ said in that interview ("Rock And Folk" 1993) that RR was "difficult, even more difficult than Keith".
My translation : Rubin didn't go along with my BS, as I wanted once again to make a disposable solo album full of bad taste in terms of arrangements, and filled to the brim with guests contributions by the hottest artists du jour.
No Rubin forced me to stick to my roots and made me come up with a disc ppl could still listen to in 2013. Man I hated that".
For Goddess, Mick went back to what he wanted : Lenny Kravitz, a plastic sound, 37 guests etc etc
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you got alot of mileage out of a six word quote.
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you got alot of mileage out of a six word quote.
yes and no cos I read the entire interview and Mj made it clear he's rather dig out Brian Jones with his bare hands rather than working with Rubin again.
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you got alot of mileage out of a six word quote.
yes and no cos I read the entire interview and Mj made it clear he's rather dig out Brian Jones with his bare hands rather than working with Rubin again.
i get that-everyone who follows the stones knows that old story.it's most likely he thinks rubin is an annoying know-it-all.
hence mick saying "rick rubin has all these ideas about how old records were made,i know the difference,because i was there"
i mean that idea that this producer came in and ordered jagger to work harder and make a good record,you gotta be kidding with that shit.
like i said ,Don Was did a far better job producing voodoo lounge than rubin did on wandering spirit and it was jagger working on exactly the same style of songs.
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Voodoo Lounge - Don Was didn't have anything to do with it. How can anyone seriously think he did?
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Voodoo Lounge - Don Was didn't have anything to do with it. How can anyone seriously think he did?
What about the drums in the stairwell, the dust bins, wah-wah on the lap steel, Keith playing 90s indie-riffs on acoustic through a Leslie + Mick's harp (Moon Is Up).
Mick and Keith's idea? I guess we'll never know...
Keith is not to revealing, either...
"That song had been around since Ireland, and everybody was fascinated with it. The song was suddenly there, you know, and what are we going to do with it? To me, it was all tied in with Charlie. If Charlie Watts is willing to experiment in the studio, then I'm the happiest man in the world. It so happened that as we were trying this track out in different configurations, I put an acoustic guitar through a Leslie cabinet, Ronnie was playing pedal steel through some tiny little amplifier, and Mick was singing through the harp mike. The drums were the only thing that sounded unreal, because they were real. So we fished around for a bit, and I said, Well, what about playing on a suitcase outside? And before I know it, Charlie Watts is out there in the stairwell with a garbage can and brushes, and that's the sound. After that, it was very hard to keep him out of the stairwell."
- Keith Richards, June 1994
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No humour, just experimental (for the Stones) art
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gotdablouse
Arguably RR had a better Mick songs to work with than DW but he did pass on the best ones, Ivy League and Honest Man to name just two...and let's add Zip Mouth Angel. Besides he also nixed Keith's excellent "Make It Now"...they should have fired him in 1996...which they pretty much did for B2B, except he was back for ABB, big mistake, not sure how Mick let that happen.
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...which they pretty much did for B2B, except he was back for ABB, big mistake, not sure how Mick let that happen.
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...which they pretty much did for B2B, except he was back for ABB, big mistake, not sure how Mick let that happen.
A good question. My hypothesis is that even though Jagger once (1995) protested VOODOO LOUNGE for its 'retro' nature, I think the job Was did with it, actually worked for him in the long run. In BRIDGES Jagger tried still do something different, and Was had no much room, but by 2005 - I dare to suggest - Jagger wanted to make a classical sounding Stones album, and who could have been a better man than Don Was for that. The way A BIGGER BANG was done had this vibe that with as little effort as possible will to be made as 'authentic' sounding Stones product as possible. That Was turned out to be the trusted man in the vaults releases since then sounds rather logical as well. If Leavell is the trusted man who knows how the old songs go, Was is the trusted man who knows how the classical Stones should sound. We 'critical' Stones might have some differing ideas and ideals, but...
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gotdablouse
...which they pretty much did for B2B, except he was back for ABB, big mistake, not sure how Mick let that happen.
A good question. My hypothesis is that even though Jagger once (1995) protested VOODOO LOUNGE for its 'retro' nature, I think the job Was did with it, actually worked for him in the long run. In BRIDGES Jagger tried still do something different, and Was had no much room, but by 2005 - I dare to suggest - Jagger wanted to make a classical sounding Stones album, and who could have been a better man than Don Was for that. The way A BIGGER BANG was done had this vibe that with as little effort as possible will to be made as 'authentic' sounding Stones product as possible. That Was turned out to be the trusted man in the vaults releases since then sounds rather logical as well. If Leavell is the trusted man who knows how the old songs go, Was is the trusted man who knows how the classical Stones should sound. We 'critical' Stones fans might have some differing ideas and ideals, but...
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This is just your point of view. I think exactly the opposite: Rubin did a great job with WS and Don Was ruined Voodoo Lounge.
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lem motlow
anyone thinking rubin could come into the studio and say" now boys,we're gonna play as a band and record it"or work really hard now we wanna make a good record" is a joke.the stones have seen and done everything,
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Today's go-to producers for Artists of a Certain Age...
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That's a caricature of the RR method.
He's more like "hum guys that riff's interesting. Keep working on it". Much more subtle than your description.
If the artist knows that he'll call the Rubin method a fraud (Kerry King and Angus Young do) but if a band is stranded (like Metallica was or like the Stones are imo) it could be very profitable.
RE the Stones : to add a bit of novelty to the recording process they used the Dust Brothers (cough cough) and they wouldn't use Rubin?
Imo what prevents Jagger from calling Rubin is he knows Rubin will make them work. As in "work hard in rehearsals, call me when you're ready and I'll drop by and tell you how many songs you've got. Which means you might spend a few months on your album, probably a year".
Does Jagger want to hear this? No he wants a RS album to be a thing that'll take a few weeks of his time.