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Yeah there is some good stuff on CD, TWAT and Better come to mind. It's just that it was horribly bloated overall, how many friggin' credits were there for the songwriting!? The nadir of GnR has to be that 3D Blu-Ray with all these flashy guitar players though, unbelievably over the top.

Better is an awesome song. It's one of the few songs off CD that resonates with me.

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Agree with all of this except for the Use Your Illusion albums which had only a handful of good tunes spread out over both of them with You Could Be Mine being the only tune that might be considered truly worthy. The covers of Knocking on Heavens Door and Live and Let Die - while maybe popular - were horrible.

Yeah they really shown what was wrong with this album : a clean lush sound! When I came home with one UYI CD I put it on the player and I thought : "wtf is this radio-friendly production??".
The dirty nasty sound of AFD was gone for good and it was a disatrous creative decision (worse imo than hiring the solid but boring Sorum).

They should have hired Steve Albini to mix the album... And ghess who they chose in the 1st place? Bob Clearmountain, the guy responsible for the (now very dated imo) "Tattoo You" sound.

Yeah Slash and Axl wanted a mainstream family-friendly sound for UYI.

The "radio friendly" production of the UYI albums were the result of Axl's over production work if you beleive Slash.

Slash has stated in a number of interviews that the initial raw recordings were more like the AFD production but then Axl got his hands on them and sucked the life out of them with over production.

If you ask Guns fans this is the same thing that happened with Chinese Democracy. Many fans seem to prefer the raw leaked early versions of the songs, before Axl started messing with them, to the final album.

I would love to hear a raw versions of the UYI albums but Slash claims he lost the original tapes when he left them in a taxi and even if there are safety copies I doubt Axl would ever allow them to be released.

Knocking On Heavens Door and Live and Let Die were both rather interminable when I saw them last month.

I mean, they're FINE covers, but they don't deserve to be setlist staples. Live and Let Die is at least lively and was accompanied some cool pyro, but KOHD is a snoozefest, with an extended singalong outro that dragged.

Axl's epic ambitions have always made G'n'R feel more bloated and pretentious than it needed. They'll never be a lean, mean rock band again.

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Prednisone is a strong corticosteroid that causes facial bloating and weight gain as a side effect. That kind of looks like what happened to Axl.

He's also got well-known mental health issues, so if he's taking antidepressants, those also affect peoples' weight.

He seems to be on an even keel lately, so something is working right for him in his personal and professional life.

The late Jerry Lewis was taking prednisone...you can clearly see the effects in these before, during, and after pics:



Here's a story from 2003 when he was trying to ween himself off of them: Jerry Lewis is hospitalized for steroids

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Knocking On Heavens Door and Live and Let Die were both rather interminable when I saw them last month.

I mean, they're FINE covers, but they don't deserve to be setlist staples. Live and Let Die is at least lively and was accompanied some cool pyro, but KOHD is a snoozefest, with an extended singalong outro that dragged.

Axl's epic ambitions have always made G'n'R feel more bloated and pretentious than it needed. They'll never be a lean, mean rock band again.

I have to take prednisone at times. Hate it. It's some nasty shit. Also, it messes with your blood sugar as a bonus.

Saw them in London in june and it's ok . Once was enough , good concert but nothing worth to be repeated for me

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Prednisone is a strong corticosteroid that causes facial bloating and weight gain as a side effect. That kind of looks like what happened to Axl.

He's also got well-known mental health issues, so if he's taking antidepressants, those also affect peoples' weight.

He seems to be on an even keel lately, so something is working right for him in his personal and professional life.

The late Jerry Lewis was taking prednisone...you can clearly see the effects in these before, during, and after pics:



Here's a story from 2003 when he was trying to ween himself off of them: Jerry Lewis is hospitalized for steroids

I remember seeing those pics and being horrified. Not that Jerry is the most sympathetic guy, but no one should have to go through that.

I was on a short course of prednisone in my early 20s, and even at a low dose for a short duration, it caused me gain weight rapidly. Lots of crazy side effects.

Chinese Democracy is one of my favourite albums period.

TWAT, Prostitute, IRS, Madagascar to highlight some.

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Knocking On Heavens Door and Live and Let Die were both rather interminable when I saw them last month.

I mean, they're FINE covers, but they don't deserve to be setlist staples. Live and Let Die is at least lively and was accompanied some cool pyro, but KOHD is a snoozefest, with an extended singalong outro that dragged.

Axl's epic ambitions have always made G'n'R feel more bloated and pretentious than it needed. They'll never be a lean, mean rock band again.

I agree its sad they are both forever staples. They do not need to be played every night. And if they have to be, Knockin should be played in its album version not the bloated 15 minute one. Live And Let Die, I'll admit, they murder live, mainly Axl. I don't love the studio version, but live, I get chills hearing Axl scream. Its one of the few he ALWAYS nails and its great to see him have that victory moment. I'd keep it in just for that.

Chinese IS a very good album. I've never considered it a Guns album. It is a far and away and Axl Rose solo album, which is FINE. I wish it was released that way and it would get better response. Its a great album. I always thought Chinese is a great, if not generic, rocker, so many other good ones like Prostitute, TWAT which are both excellent, Catcher In The Rye, Street Of Dreams (which I still know as The Blues), IRS is fantastic. I consider about 9 songs really good, with the other 5 or 6 being not so great, but everyone has their own list. But its not as bad as people say. Its just way overproduced and came out under the wrong name. The demos are indeed better, and its kinda hard to say why. They are very similar, and I remember hearing those demos for years thinking "just release these. They'll be better quality and they are good songs!" and somehow he still managed to kinda ruin them. It really is hard to say why the demo of IRS is just a bit better than the album version, but in the end I still consider it a fine album. But I do feel, and very strongly, that if you're playing Chinese Democracy songs you should be playing Velvet Revolver songs and all solo material is up for grabs (which I think is nice and fair the way the Eagles did it). Not to sound pushy, but I just don't think I'll ever be convinced otherwise about that. Its BS, but hey, this band has always screwed with their fans. I'm happy we at least have what we have now as I never thought even THIS would happen.

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Knocking On Heavens Door and Live and Let Die were both rather interminable when I saw them last month.

I mean, they're FINE covers, but they don't deserve to be setlist staples. Live and Let Die is at least lively and was accompanied some cool pyro, but KOHD is a snoozefest, with an extended singalong outro that dragged.

Axl's epic ambitions have always made G'n'R feel more bloated and pretentious than it needed. They'll never be a lean, mean rock band again.

I agree its sad they are both forever staples. They do not need to be played every night. And if they have to be, Knockin should be played in its album version not the bloated 15 minute one. Live And Let Die, I'll admit, they murder live, mainly Axl. I don't love the studio version, but live, I get chills hearing Axl scream. Its one of the few he ALWAYS nails and its great to see him have that victory moment. I'd keep it in just for that.

Chinese IS a very good album. I've never considered it a Guns album. It is a far and away and Axl Rose solo album, which is FINE. I wish it was released that way and it would get better response. Its a great album. I always thought Chinese is a great, if not generic, rocker, so many other good ones like Prostitute, TWAT which are both excellent, Catcher In The Rye, Street Of Dreams (which I still know as The Blues), IRS is fantastic. I consider about 9 songs really good, with the other 5 or 6 being not so great, but everyone has their own list. But its not as bad as people say. Its just way overproduced and came out under the wrong name. The demos are indeed better, and its kinda hard to say why. They are very similar, and I remember hearing those demos for years thinking "just release these. They'll be better quality and they are good songs!" and somehow he still managed to kinda ruin them. It really is hard to say why the demo of IRS is just a bit better than the album version, but in the end I still consider it a fine album. But I do feel, and very strongly, that if you're playing Chinese Democracy songs you should be playing Velvet Revolver songs and all solo material is up for grabs (which I think is nice and fair the way the Eagles did it). Not to sound pushy, but I just don't think I'll ever be convinced otherwise about that. Its BS, but hey, this band has always screwed with their fans. I'm happy we at least have what we have now as I never thought even THIS would happen.

Theres 3 Demos of IRS that leaked i think.
One from 1999 with only one guitar solo (the first one of the final version played by Robin Finck which is badass)

One from 2006 with a different guitar solo (Buckethead one)
And one from 2007 which is the final version minus drums from Frank Ferrer and i think some licks from Bumblefoot missing.

I prefer the final version.it has both solos!

Tour has started again. They sound absolutely horrible. Incannot believe what i am hearing. Reviews are extremely negative also.

Are they playing Velvet Revolver-tunes now - Slither yesterday?

I will see them at Donington this Saturday. Will be emotional as I was in the crush for the show at the same venue when the 2 kids died back in 87. Was lucky that's all. Nobody knew until they announced it through the PA as we were walking out at the end of the night. All we knew was how bad it had been at the time. I know they won't be a patch on the band that played that day with the original line up but I hope they acknowledge the tragedy and pay a little tribute to the two fans who died that day.

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Tour has started again. They sound absolutely horrible. Incannot believe what i am hearing. Reviews are extremely negative also.

I read that Axl's voice is sounding not so good thus far on this European run.

Maybe this unbelievably massive world tour with 3+ hour sets, coupled with the double duty he pulled with AC/DC, is taking a toll on his vocal cords. He IS coming up on 60, hard as it is to believe.



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Are they playing Velvet Revolver-tunes now - Slither yesterday?

Well, Slither for sure. Not sure if they'll go beyond that.

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Maybe this unbelievably massive world tour with 3+ hour sets, coupled with the double duty he pulled with AC/DC, is taking a toll on his vocal cords.

The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

I went to see them last year, just regular in my opinion .
once is enough for me

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Maybe this unbelievably massive world tour with 3+ hour sets, coupled with the double duty he pulled with AC/DC, is taking a toll on his vocal cords.

The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

Ah, I didn't know that. I can't say I'm super excited for that project, but I'll give it a shot. Anything Angus does can't be all bad.

I watched them 3 times last year and they were good but when I watched them in Berlin 2 days ago they sounded horrible,I hope they can improve throughout this years shows.

Nate

I saw them also twice last year. IMHO I can't say anything negative about the shows. The sound were almost clear and the voice from Axl sounded great.

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The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullll shiiiitt

axls voice is usually rough at the start of a tour

For sure.

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The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullll shiiiitt

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The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullll shiiiitt

I know you don't like the idea but you'd accept it. ANd by "sessions" I mean trying riffs with Angus and the boys and screaming out rough vocal lines.
Anyway an AXL/DC studio album will happen. Both parts want it and the world tour thta'll come with will be juicy.

My objection is just about the planning
Yes there will be an album with Axl.
Your source ? Sessions in LA ?

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The fact that Axl's voice is half-shot could mean he used it a lot during the sessions for the new ACDC album (which took place in April/May?)!

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuullll shiiiitt

I know you don't like the idea but you'd accept it. ANd by "sessions" I mean trying riffs with Angus and the boys and screaming out rough vocal lines.
Anyway an AXL/DC studio album will happen. Both parts want it and the world tour thta'll come with will be juicy.

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I know you don't like the idea but you'd accept it. ANd by "sessions" I mean trying riffs with Angus and the boys and screaming out rough vocal lines.
Anyway an AXL/DC studio album will happen. Both parts want it and the world tour thta'll come with will be juicy.

Oh i've no doubt it will happen, but i'm 99.9% sure nothing has yet.

Angus has lost all his dignity so the clusterfuck will continue i'm resigned to that.

It wont be AC/DC to me or anyone else though i'm sure

It's like Mick touring as the Rolling Stones. But probably worse than even that

Seriously, dcba...where did you get your information from? Otherwise you shouldn't be spreading it as anything other than a rumor.

Angus Cliff Stevie Phil and Axl will match.
Just a dream...

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Angus Cliff Stevie Phil and Axl will match.
Just a dream...

I would enjoy that, but I don't see Phil and Cliff returning.

I think Phil has permanently burned his bridge, and Cliff seems like a no bullshit guy who wouldn't go about reneging on his retirement announcement.

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Seriously, dcba...where did you get your information from? Otherwise you shouldn't be spreading it as anything other than a rumor.

Found this on Google:

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