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Dump the boring Slipping Away for Coming Down Again. Please.
You're in the wrong company here, Toker.
I can't believe that I just read that!
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Voodoo Lounge Tour was pretty good. Babylon was a step down. But then from all the Babylon Tour they were sharp as knives for No Security. Since then it was hit and miss on Licks, Mick was still strong but the others were fading. Big Bang was more a Big Loud Light Show than a music concert. They came back in 2012 but Keith took years of touring just to get to an acceptable place. I love them on Blue & Lonesome, but the tourists who expect, and get, a Heritage Act, wouldn't put up with them getting down on some blues all night. It is what it is. God bless you if you want to see them fade away. Maybe I'm just mad that time will take everything.
I think the playing was kinda sloppy on the No Security-tour, especially Keith's playing. Ronnie was already way down in the mix, and a bit lost.
The setlists were great, the shows were good – from what I've seen and heard. But the B2B-shows were even better and more consistent, imo.
The VL-show I saw was excellent, but it could never come close to the UJ-show I saw in 1990 (which was my first – and with Bill).
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Voodoo Lounge Tour was pretty good. Babylon was a step down. But then from all the Babylon Tour they were sharp as knives for No Security. Since then it was hit and miss on Licks, Mick was still strong but the others were fading. Big Bang was more a Big Loud Light Show than a music concert. They came back in 2012 but Keith took years of touring just to get to an acceptable place. I love them on Blue & Lonesome, but the tourists who expect, and get, a Heritage Act, wouldn't put up with them getting down on some blues all night. It is what it is. God bless you if you want to see them fade away. Maybe I'm just mad that time will take everything.
I think the playing was kinda sloppy on the No Security-tour, especially Keith's playing. Ronnie was already way down in the mix, and a bit lost.
The setlists were great, the shows were good – from what I've seen and heard. But the B2B-shows were even better and more consistent, imo.
The VL-show I saw was excellent, but it could never come close to the UJ-show I saw in 1990 (which was my first – and with Bill).
It was pretty much the consensus,widely accepted here on this board for years,that the '99 No Security Tour' was the high water mark for Richards in the post-Wyman era .... guitar playing-wise.
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I think Keith overplayed out of necessity due to Ronnie being so out of it.
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keefriff99
I think Keith overplayed out of necessity due to Ronnie being so out of it.
I don't. You can hear Ronnie play excellently here, but he's drowned by Keith. It the same with every 1999-boot I've heard...
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keefriff99
It's been common wisdom around IORR for years that Ronnie was non compos mentis during the NS tour and that Keith had to basically shoulder the entire guitar burden. Maybe that's not accurate.
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It's been common wisdom around IORR for years that Ronnie was non compos mentis during the NS tour and that Keith had to basically shoulder the entire guitar burden. Maybe that's not accurate.
It is NOT accurate at all... why do you always post strange things like this? Speaking for others?
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It's been common wisdom around IORR for years that Ronnie was non compos mentis during the NS tour and that Keith had to basically shoulder the entire guitar burden. Maybe that's not accurate.
It is NOT accurate at all... why do you always post strange things like this? Speaking for others?
I remember the evaluations of both BtB & NS over here on the forum to be exactly like that - so I don't see how Keefriff99's point here can shock you so much.
And stuff like that is never 100% accurate when generalised too much - things we tend to do here more often than Truth deserves & Reality evokes, I'd say.
(Goodness me, if 'accuracy ' would be the main standard, this forum would have been loooong gone by now.)
But I for one have witnessed eight BtB gigs & one NS gig; and I have to say, on these nine gigs grand total, Ronnie was mediocre at best. And mostly he was just fiddling about, giving half of the audience splittin' headaches with screaming out-of-tune, completely misplaced notes and licks. In fact, I'm quite sure during huge parts of some of these gigs, his feed was just reduced to zero 'cause obody could take it anymore. In all honesty, the thing I saw him do best, in those days, was goofing around during "Miss You"...
That's the way I remember it/ him, anyway.
Obviously, I'm not implying that he could NOT have had good nights and/or songs as well, during that period... I'm just speaking for the nine gigs I saw, and the way I experienced them.
And to round my reflexion on Ronnie off, here: the way he's been playing since 2012, makes we wanna marry him & leave him all my earthly possessions when I'm dead. What a guy!!
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Pretty sure Ronnie recently said himself that the drugs and booze had a negative effect on his playing and his painting for years.
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Pretty sure Ronnie recently said himself that the drugs and booze had a negative effect on his playing and his painting for years.
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Pretty sure Ronnie recently said himself that the drugs and booze had a negative effect on his playing and his painting for years.
pretty sure? How about post a link when you make a claim, otherwise you are gossiping
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And in my opinion Ronnie is/has been a good enough player that even if drugs and booze affected his playing he was still able to perform and a good show... and I think this of Keef as well.
But if anyone has some video proof showing other wise, please post it.
These guys have been partying their asses off and playing rock and roll their entire lives. Who know what is going on today, but from what I have seen their playing STILL sounds, in my opinion. Do I need to post videos proving this?
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It's been common wisdom around IORR for years that Ronnie was non compos mentis during the NS tour and that Keith had to basically shoulder the entire guitar burden. Maybe that's not accurate.
It is NOT accurate at all... why do you always post strange things like this? Speaking for others?
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Pretty sure Ronnie recently said himself that the drugs and booze had a negative effect on his playing and his painting for years.
pretty sure? How about post a link when you make a claim, otherwise you are gossiping
Basing that on memory of some of his recent interviews - though can't be sure of the exact wording.
That said, it seems clearly evident that his playing has become much more quality, reliable, and consistent in recent years since he's been sober vs. the old days when he was out of it.
Not only did his playing and artwork suffer from the bad habits, but also his personal relationships (see Russian gal Ekaterina Ivanova and his divorce from Jo).
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And in my opinion Ronnie is/has been a good enough player that even if drugs and booze affected his playing he was still able to perform and a good show... and I think this of Keef as well.
But if anyone has some video proof showing other wise, please post it.
These guys have been partying their asses off and playing rock and roll their entire lives. Who know what is going on today, but from what I have seen their playing STILL sounds, in my opinion. Do I need to post videos proving this?
Only if you want to hold yourself to the same standards as you seem to be requesting of anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Note: From the department of historical accuracy:
1) Since both Keith & Ronnie still have asses, they obviously never partied them off, unless they grew back afterwards. Do you have photos to prove that they at one point had no asses and can you prove that it was a result of their partying?
2) Both Keith and Ronnie were born were born BEFORE rock & roll emerged as an artform. Therefore your statement about them playing it all their lives is factually inaccurate. Unless you have recordings of them that the rest of the world doesn't know about, you may want to edit your factually inaccurate claim above.
Ain't it fun to be held you your own standards?
Peace,
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I could post several gushing reviews that I submitted to bv on the Licks tour that are still posted. Looking back at them, I'm embarrassed by how worshipful they were, but I wrote them as soon as I got back from the show and my adrenaline was through the roof. If I wasn't such a massive fan, I wouldn't care enough to even discuss them.Quote
Leonioid
...but have at your gossip... you all seem to enjoy it.