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wonderboy
The reports about him being in a lot of pain are worrisome. I fear something like the circumstances around Prince's death are possible.
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Donnebr
In Buffalo was he & a guest sitting at the front of the pit. I recall seeing a guy that looked so much like him but figured he would be back stage. At the end of the show security came & got him & brought him back stage. Always wondered if it was him. RIP.
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keefriff99I clearly said there are limits.Quote
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keefriff99I agree for the most part, but the body is very resilient and can heal itself from some pretty extreme abuse.Quote
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Some might not want to hear or read it, but drug use. A person might not O.D. from it, but extended use of coke, heroin, pills, etc. over time, even if you eventually quit it all, wracks your body and eventually gets you anyway at a relatively young age.
Johnny Cash and his lifelong adult use of pills comes to mind. Cash seemed old and ancient but he was only 72 went he left. More recently, Glenn Frey. He used coke and Lord knows what else for years and years, leaving him with all manner of internal issues that eventually overtook him at 67 and now Petty. His coke use is legendary through the decades and the man STARTED to use heroin in his 50's. If people don't think all that abuse doesn't weaken your heart, liver, kidneys, stomach, etc., they're sadly mistaken. Someone in this thread earlier made a post that said Peter Wolf mentioned Petty needed hip surgery. If you watch a video of Petty walking offstage after his last song a week ago Monday night at the Hollywood Bowl, he's most definitely got a limp.
Using usually will make you a shell of your former self. See Richards, Keith. Old age is bad enough. Using, however, even if one quit years ago, still comes back to visit you in the form of a bad heart, malfunctioning kidneys, ulcers, (Frey), bone degeneration, poor memory, arthritis, you name it. All those things can happen anyway, but it makes no sense to hurry them along. Malcolm Young might have developed dementia anyway, but don't kid yourself that using didn't clear the way for an early arrival.
Using isn't glamorous, it isn't pretty, it isn't cool and being elegantly wasted is NOT a great long term strategy. It IS usually, sadly, fatal.
The liver in particular is amazing for its self-healing properties, provided you don't abuse it to the point of destruction.
There are a lot of artists who quit in their 30s and 40s and have lived long, healthy lives.
Not always. Ask David Crosby.
And blaming drugs, for example, for Glenn Frey is a bit foolish. He had multiple health problems unrelated to drug use. He had rheumatoid arthritis, and long-term use of medication led to colitis and pneumonia. He died from complications due to gastrointestinal surgery.
Why are Don Henley and Joe Walsh healthy? Why are Keith and Ronnie still vertical? It's silly to claim that drug abuse inevitably leads to early death. Many people recover and thrive.
Oh, c'mon. Drug abuse doesn't cause rheumatoid arthritis. My Mom has arthritis and has never done a drug in her life...what can we blame that on?Quote
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keefriff99I clearly said there are limits.Quote
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keefriff99I agree for the most part, but the body is very resilient and can heal itself from some pretty extreme abuse.Quote
Long John Stoner
Some might not want to hear or read it, but drug use. A person might not O.D. from it, but extended use of coke, heroin, pills, etc. over time, even if you eventually quit it all, wracks your body and eventually gets you anyway at a relatively young age.
Johnny Cash and his lifelong adult use of pills comes to mind. Cash seemed old and ancient but he was only 72 went he left. More recently, Glenn Frey. He used coke and Lord knows what else for years and years, leaving him with all manner of internal issues that eventually overtook him at 67 and now Petty. His coke use is legendary through the decades and the man STARTED to use heroin in his 50's. If people don't think all that abuse doesn't weaken your heart, liver, kidneys, stomach, etc., they're sadly mistaken. Someone in this thread earlier made a post that said Peter Wolf mentioned Petty needed hip surgery. If you watch a video of Petty walking offstage after his last song a week ago Monday night at the Hollywood Bowl, he's most definitely got a limp.
Using usually will make you a shell of your former self. See Richards, Keith. Old age is bad enough. Using, however, even if one quit years ago, still comes back to visit you in the form of a bad heart, malfunctioning kidneys, ulcers, (Frey), bone degeneration, poor memory, arthritis, you name it. All those things can happen anyway, but it makes no sense to hurry them along. Malcolm Young might have developed dementia anyway, but don't kid yourself that using didn't clear the way for an early arrival.
Using isn't glamorous, it isn't pretty, it isn't cool and being elegantly wasted is NOT a great long term strategy. It IS usually, sadly, fatal.
The liver in particular is amazing for its self-healing properties, provided you don't abuse it to the point of destruction.
There are a lot of artists who quit in their 30s and 40s and have lived long, healthy lives.
Not always. Ask David Crosby.
And blaming drugs, for example, for Glenn Frey is a bit foolish. He had multiple health problems unrelated to drug use. He had rheumatoid arthritis, and long-term use of medication led to colitis and pneumonia. He died from complications due to gastrointestinal surgery.
Why are Don Henley and Joe Walsh healthy? Why are Keith and Ronnie still vertical? It's silly to claim that drug abuse inevitably leads to early death. Many people recover and thrive.
You're kidding about Frey, right? What do you think hastened those health issues? That's exactly the point of my post. If I were Henley and Walsh I'd be in my doctor's office today.
To top off, Petty was a chainsmoker. Combine that with the drug use and he was asking to die.
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swimtothemoon
Is this photo of TP, Keith and Jackson Browne from a Rock hall induction?
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detroitken
Does anyone know of a TP online site like iorr that has forums etc ??I rember hooking up with some TP fans the last time I saw him,maybe zombie zoo ??
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Is this photo of TP, Keith and Jackson Brown from a Rock hall induction?
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MisterDDDD
I'd read Tom (and saw in his last videos) was in need of total hip replacements but was putting it off.. (as I am right now, both hips)
Makes me wonder what he may have been taking for the pain. I have had two rounds of cortisone shots while I postpone the surgeries, and plenty of pain pills prior to that. He is in such obvious discomfort, makes me concerned they may have been a factor, to the point of calling the doc to get myself on the schedule(again).
They can be brutal. I was on so many pain meds before mine were done that there were even more meds to protect my stomach from them. All of them gone the day after surgery, thankfully. Those, combined with smoking and whatever other 'risk' factors that may or may not exist can affect everyone differently and would have been on the radar of any Doc doing a pre-tour physical. He was quoted as saying he wanted to slow down and spend more time with his grandkids - maybe he was also trying to take care of himself as we all must. Good luck, MisterDDDD, listen to your Doc and your body and get 'em done if you need to. Life is too short for that kind of pain. And whatever it was that took Tom Petty so early, I'm too busy feeling like shit about it to try to judge or speculate.
These last two posts have me worried, i have been in hideous pain for months because of my sciatic nerve, i am taking morphine and about 4 other powerful prescribed drugs to combat the agony. I am also drinking heavy because i feel past caring, i wonder if i am harming my body long term. I need a new hip and spinal surgery but refuse operations.
Thank God for iorr , it takes my mind off of the pain.
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Gaetzi
I've been on a three day Petty binge that has no end in sight and I'm getting more convinced the guy never wrote a bad song.
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Gaetzi
I've been on a three day Petty binge that has no end in sight and I'm getting more convinced the guy never wrote a bad song.
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at their absolute peak- Live at the Fillmore West
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swimtothemoon
Is this photo of TP, Keith and Jackson Browne from a Rock hall induction?
Yes. 2004 in NYC.
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Gaetzi
I've been on a three day Petty binge that has no end in sight and I'm getting more convinced the guy never wrote a bad song.