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keefriffhard4life
because someone PLAYS a riff doesn't mean they wrote it.

Exactly. Even if they "wrote" the riff, it has nothing to do with songwriting -- it's musical arrangements.

For instance, Pete Brown never played on a single Cream song -- yet his scribblings of words on paper count as songwriting. Hence, he gets the royalties, and rightfully so. Otherwise, there would be nothing for the musicians to craft their arrangements on.

As proof: Ginger Baker wanted to claim songwriting credit for Sunshine Of Your Love because he "invented" a bridge to make the song actually work. But without the ideas, the songs, of Jack Bruce and Pete Brown, well then where are Ginger Baker's so-called songs? They don't exist.

Songwriters write, musicians arrange.

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keefriffhard4life
because someone PLAYS a riff doesn't mean they wrote it.

Exactly. Even if they "wrote" the riff, it has nothing to do with songwriting -- it's musical arrangements.

For instance, Pete Brown never played on a single Cream song -- yet his scribblings of words on paper count as songwriting. Hence, he gets the royalties, and rightfully so. Otherwise, there would be nothing for the musicians to craft their arrangements on.

As proof: Ginger Baker wanted to claim songwriting credit for Sunshine Of Your Love because he "invented" a bridge to make the song actually work. But without the ideas, the songs, of Jack Bruce and Pete Brown, well then where are Ginger Baker's so-called songs? They don't exist.

Songwriters write, musicians arrange.

I know that very well, hehe, but see my explanation to this particular assumption above.

Example:
IF someone had used the uncopyrighted track, recorded it with different musicians, obtained a publisher etc.(in 1969), and released it.
IF, it then became a million seller

Could they have been sued by Page etc ?

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keefriffhard4life
because someone PLAYS a riff doesn't mean they wrote it.

Exactly. Even if they "wrote" the riff, it has nothing to do with songwriting -- it's musical arrangements.

For instance, Pete Brown never played on a single Cream song -- yet his scribblings of words on paper count as songwriting. Hence, he gets the royalties, and rightfully so. Otherwise, there would be nothing for the musicians to craft their arrangements on.

As proof: Ginger Baker wanted to claim songwriting credit for Sunshine Of Your Love because he "invented" a bridge to make the song actually work. But without the ideas, the songs, of Jack Bruce and Pete Brown, well then where are Ginger Baker's so-called songs? They don't exist.

Songwriters write, musicians arrange.

I know that very well, hehe, but see my explanation to this particular assumption above.

Could it be that Brian wrote that opening riff on a sitar while sitting around in a haze of incense and psychedlics, and then ultimately Keith played it on guitar?
Not trying to rewrite history or give Brian credit for something he may not have done...but are there any quotes from Keith ( or Bill?) regarding this?

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More Hot Rocks
Geez Page you are a multi multi millionaire. 170 million.

Greedy!

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P.S.

"In Through The Outdoor" Sucks (sorry, I had to say that)

Hey, I'm told heroin is expensive....

ROCKMAN

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More Hot Rocks
Geez Page you are a multi multi millionaire. 170 million.

Greedy!

[www.celebritynetworth.com]

P.S.

"In Through The Outdoor" Sucks (sorry, I had to say that)

Hey, I'm told heroin is expensive....

Ahhh....I just had to vent.....

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CaptainCorella
Completely disgraceful!

Our beloved Rolling Stones would never airbrush anyone out of their history, would they!

Hang on..... Anybody seen my copy of Rarities?

at least they're not airbrushing the bass out of Miss You though!

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CaptainCorella
Completely disgraceful!

Our beloved Rolling Stones would never airbrush anyone out of their history, would they!

Hang on..... Anybody seen my copy of Rarities?

you do know that bill wyman requested to be removed if possible from anything promoting new compilations right?

"Avron Knows"... "Avron's Eyes"

What I want to know is, what did they (or Jimmy Page) have against Avron?

You know, it almost sounds pre-/proto-punk.

It's certainly too anti-hippie for early Led Zeppelin to have done:

Avron knows
He's just a hippie
Avron knows
He thinks he's pretty...

He loves the flowers
Stupid flower power!

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