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They started as ordinary kids with working and middle class backgrounds. From what the book Phelge's Stones tells, the only drugs during the Edith Grove days was the time when Charlie brought a joint to the flat, which he'd gotten through his jazz friends. Was Ian Stewart an irresponsible bohemian? Besides being one of the best pianists in his genre, he also seems to have been the most straight-laced.Quote
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Though they became a powerful corporation, the Stones began as bohemian artists. Not only have bohemian artists gotten high for time immemorial, but part of the allure of the artistic life is irresponsibility (which also often includes narcissism and ruthlessness).
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The judgmental attitudes about drug and alcohol use on a forum dedicated to the Rolling Stones are off-key to me. Though they became a powerful corporation, the Stones began as bohemian artists. Not only have bohemian artists gotten high for time immemorial, but part of the allure of the artistic life is irresponsibility (which also often includes narcissism and ruthlessness). The Rolling Stones have always been questionable role models, though role models they have been.
Should we bitch about Carrie Fisher now?
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matxil
If a guy lives on the wild side, it's cool. If it's a girl, she´ll get judged for it. She's one of those rare women (or men) who lived their own life. Inspiring.
I don't think you can compare her to a truly inspiring woman like Alexandra David-Néel. Anita met the right people (66-67) then she went down the gutter like most junkies do. 20 or 25 years of hard drugs are lost years, no matter what the addict might say.
In a way Anita was a relic of a bygone era, an era that, alas, made so many casualties.
Also the poor bitch on heroin on the streets doesn't get to get Keiths riches to help her from homelessness or death. These celebrity junkies have the glamour attached because they have their millions to help. No rehab clinics for millions of poor people. They usually die within a few years.
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jlowe
Unless we're all mistaken Brian DIDN'T find a way out.
As Lennon said rather casually at the time: 'another victim of the drugs scene'.
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duke richardson
to quote Bliss:
Their second child was born addicted to heroin
I didn't know that. wow
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I am not on board with giving junkies and alcoholics a free pass because they are artists. If people want to ruin their own lives with drugs or alcohol, that's one thing. But it rarely happens that way. Family, friends and society (through crime such as robbery and drunk driving) are invariably affected.
Apparently Anita's big thing was introducing neophytes to heroin. They got into a lot of trouble at Nellcote because she got the French cook's teenaged daughter into it. As discussed above, their friend Tommy Weber strapped drugs to his young children to get them through Customs. Keith said he couldn't clean up because Anita kept undermining his efforts. Their second child was born addicted to heroin, and the cot death of their third child may have been caused one way or another by her drug use. There are accounts of how their other children were neglected. Marlon said that as a child he had to keep Keith from nodding off at the wheel! We know of one serious car accident. Fires were a not uncommon occurrence. And there is a trail of corpses and people in Keith's orbit who were damaged through drugs.
The money the Stones were supposed to save through moving to France was entirely eaten up by legal fees to get Keith and Anita out of trouble there, related to suspected drug trafficking, etc. There was a strong possibility that Keith could have gone to jail in Toronto, thus ending the Stones. (Yes, I know; he never had any trouble with drugs, only police.) I don't know, but I suspect drugs or alcohol was involved in his head injury in 2006.
And Keith himself admitted that he did not think his heroin use enhanced his creativity.
Edited to add - the ones who do get a pass from me are those who became addicted to prescription opioids due to severe or chronic pain. A current tragic epidemic.
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stone4ever
Nice interview thanks Cristiano.
I notice on Wiki that Anita's age when she died has changed from 73 to 75.
Does anyone know her true age or is this mostly guess work from Wiki and elsewhere.
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stone4ever
Nice interview thanks Cristiano.
I notice on Wiki that Anita's age when she died has changed from 73 to 75.
Does anyone know her true age or is this mostly guess work from Wiki and elsewhere.
My pleasure, stone4ever!
From chatoyancy's post on this thread:
"There was always confusion about her real birthdate, which was April 6, 1942. She explained to me that it was common years ago for a model agency to take a few years off a model's age to attract clients."
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Bliss
1. Yes, from the nanny's book, Anita was addicted when she gave birth in Switzerland.
2a. IF Anita was using drugs or alcohol during pregnancy, the infant's health would have been affected which could render it more frail and thus more likely to succumb to cot death.
2b. There are protocols that have to be followed to prevent cot death, although it cannot be prevented 100%. A drug-addled caregiver may not be vigilant enough to observe them or to monitor the infant closely enough.
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I am not on board with giving junkies and alcoholics a free pass because they are artists. If people want to ruin their own lives with drugs or alcohol, that's one thing. But it rarely happens that way. Family, friends and society (through crime such as robbery and drunk driving) are invariably affected.
Apparently Anita's big thing was introducing neophytes to heroin. They got into a lot of trouble at Nellcote because she got the French cook's teenaged daughter into it. As discussed above, their friend Tommy Weber strapped drugs to his young children to get them through Customs. Keith said he couldn't clean up because Anita kept undermining his efforts. Their second child was born addicted to heroin, and the cot death of their third child may have been caused one way or another by her drug use. There are accounts of how their other children were neglected. Marlon said that as a child he had to keep Keith from nodding off at the wheel! We know of one serious car accident. Fires were a not uncommon occurrence. And there is a trail of corpses and people in Keith's orbit who were damaged through drugs.
The money the Stones were supposed to save through moving to France was entirely eaten up by legal fees to get Keith and Anita out of trouble there, related to suspected drug trafficking, etc. There was a strong possibility that Keith could have gone to jail in Toronto, thus ending the Stones. (Yes, I know; he never had any trouble with drugs, only police.) I don't know, but I suspect drugs or alcohol was involved in his head injury in 2006.
And Keith himself admitted that he did not think his heroin use enhanced his creativity.
Edited to add - the ones who do get a pass from me are those who became addicted to prescription opioids due to severe or chronic pain. A current tragic epidemic.
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EJM
Humanist funeral in Chichester [www.barrheadnews.com]
No other stones but Leah Wood and her husband there . No mention of Marianne Faithful
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EJM
Humanist funeral in Chichester [www.barrheadnews.com]
No other stones but Leah Wood and her husband there . No mention of Marianne Faithful
I would definitely call Keith a Stone...
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duke richardson
LongBeachArena72 -
"Wait till you read what choirboys Mick and Keith were"
true for Keith, he really was a choirboy..
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duke richardson
LongBeachArena72 -
"Wait till you read what choirboys Mick and Keith were"
true for Keith, he really was a choirboy..
Lemmy already told us that
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LongBeachArena72 -
"Wait till you read what choirboys Mick and Keith were"
true for Keith, he really was a choirboy..
Lemmy already told us that
Lemmy rocked to the end..