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To be honest I know only Black Hole Sun. Sounds like a predecessor of Nickelback, nothing for me.

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life expectancy has never been higher.

"Expectancy" is a bit of a qualifying word -- it didn't help James Dean much, or Buddy Holly, did it?

The human life span is the same as it's always been -- 120 years or so.

All the rest is circumstance: [gerontology.wikia.com]

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His friend Kevin Morris shares some details of that final show:

Chris Cornell's friend, Detroit artist and musician Kevin Morris, who attended the singer's final show with SOUNGARDEN on Wednesday (May 17) at Detroit's Fox Theatre, has told People.com that something was definitely wrong with Chris at the gig. "The whole performance, you could tell something wasn't right," Morris said. "Into the second song, he started getting disoriented or something. I just figured he wasn't feeling well. Everybody felt there was something going on," Morris continued. "Like he wasn't with us. Like he was on a cloud. It was like he was really fighting to get through the show." He added: "What was troubling him I don't think we'll ever know. I think he was a little nervous about playing in Detroit, the music capital of the world, and he took a little too much of the Ativan."

I think he was anxious about being alive, and made a snap decision not to be.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2017-05-21 18:07 by StonedInTokyo.

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To be honest I know only Black Hole Sun. Sounds like a predecessor of Nickelback, nothing for me.

do you live in America? those 2 bands sound nothing alike at all.

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To be honest I know only Black Hole Sun. Sounds like a predecessor of Nickelback, nothing for me.

do you live in America? those 2 bands sound nothing alike at all.

No. As I said I remember only this hit.

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Wife says prescription meds may be to blame:

[www.yahoo.com]

She would say that as she wants to collect on his life insurance policy, and probably cannot if his death is ruled a suicide. Solution? Blame the meds.

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

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His friend Kevin Morris shares some details of that final show:

Chris Cornell's friend, Detroit artist and musician Kevin Morris, who attended the singer's final show with SOUNGARDEN on Wednesday (May 17) at Detroit's Fox Theatre, has told People.com that something was definitely wrong with Chris at the gig. "The whole performance, you could tell something wasn't right," Morris said. "Into the second song, he started getting disoriented or something. I just figured he wasn't feeling well. Everybody felt there was something going on," Morris continued. "Like he wasn't with us. Like he was on a cloud. It was like he was really fighting to get through the show." He added: "What was troubling him I don't think we'll ever know. I think he was a little nervous about playing in Detroit, the music capital of the world, and he took a little too much of the Ativan."

I think he was anxious about being alive, and made a snap decision not to be.

*(edit: quoting system messing up - tried to fix your quote StonedinTokyo as I didn't want your speculation attributed to me.-Hairball

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

I shouldn't be speaking for him, but being that the poster you want clarification from is also a guitar player/musician, I'm sure he would agree those are accomplished musicians, as would everyone else who has heard them play. But what has come to light now that you've pointed all of those out, it's become even more clear that bands they played for really did suck. Jake E. Lee was a low point for Ozzy (except the title track Bark at the Moon), and whatever band he formed on his own was even worse imo. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger? You can listen to and love Dokken, Ratt, Extreme, etc., all you want, and some people still do (?), but the bottom line is they were part of the very reason that 'grunge' happened in the first place which pretty much wiped most of them off of the map. I did kind of like a few of those songs from some of those bands at the time probably due to being forced down my throat via MTV (and I did like great guitar players), but looking back on it all it really was what I refer to as the 'Dark Ages' of rock and roll and music in general. Just Dreadful.

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

I shouldn't be speaking for him, but being that the poster you want clarification from is also a guitar player/musician, I'm sure he would agree those are accomplished musicians, as would everyone else who has heard them play. But what has come to light now that you've pointed all of those out, it's become even more clear that bands they played for really did suck. Jake E. Lee was a low point for Ozzy (except the title track Bark at the Moon), and whatever band he formed on his own was even worse imo. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger? You can listen to and love Dokken, Ratt, Extreme, etc., all you want, and some people still do (?), but the bottom line is they were part of the very reason that 'grunge' happened in the first place which pretty much wiped most of them off of the map. I did kind of like a few of those songs from some of those bands at the time probably due to being forced down my throat via MTV (and I did like great guitar players), but looking back on it all it really was what I refer to as the 'Dark Ages' of rock and roll and music in general. Just Dreadful.

There were a ton of technically gifted musicians in all those '80s hair bands. Hell, Randy Rhoads was in Quiet Riot before Ozzy, and he was one of the best neoclassical shredders ever.

But the fact remains that most of those technically gifted musicians played in bands that put out terrible dreck. Some killer lead guitar shredding doesn't change that fact. And believe me, I have a lot of guilty pleasure songs from that era in my iTunes, but most of it is pop-metal nonsense.

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I wonder what the final tally will be as the nonsense in this thread piles up?

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

I shouldn't be speaking for him, but being that the poster you want clarification from is also a guitar player/musician, I'm sure he would agree those are accomplished musicians, as would everyone else who has heard them play. But what has come to light now that you've pointed all of those out, it's become even more clear that bands they played for really did suck. Jake E. Lee was a low point for Ozzy (except the title track Bark at the Moon), and whatever band he formed on his own was even worse imo. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger? You can listen to and love Dokken, Ratt, Extreme, etc., all you want, and some people still do (?), but the bottom line is they were part of the very reason that 'grunge' happened in the first place which pretty much wiped most of them off of the map. I did kind of like a few of those songs from some of those bands at the time probably due to being forced down my throat via MTV (and I did like great guitar players), but looking back on it all it really was what I refer to as the 'Dark Ages' of rock and roll and music in general. Just Dreadful.

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

I shouldn't be speaking for him, but being that the poster you want clarification from is also a guitar player/musician, I'm sure he would agree those are accomplished musicians, as would everyone else who has heard them play. But what has come to light now that you've pointed all of those out, it's become even more clear that bands they played for really did suck. Jake E. Lee was a low point for Ozzy (except the title track Bark at the Moon), and whatever band he formed on his own was even worse imo. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger? You can listen to and love Dokken, Ratt, Extreme, etc., all you want, and some people still do (?), but the bottom line is they were part of the very reason that 'grunge' happened in the first place which pretty much wiped most of them off of the map. I did kind of like a few of those songs from some of those bands at the time probably due to being forced down my throat via MTV (and I did like great guitar players), but looking back on it all it really was what I refer to as the 'Dark Ages' of rock and roll and music in general. Just Dreadful.

brad gillis also did a tour with ozzy. to be honest a lot of ozzy fans regard the jake e lee era better than the zakk wylde era

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Hairball, I think you're over-stating the Gloom-Rock thing. Nirvana had plenty of nonsensical lyrics and light-hearted songs (as you put it)...

"Dumb"
"On A Plain"
"Drain You"
"Lounge Act"
"Sliver"
"Spank Thru"

...just to name a few, are all delivered with a semi-serious, fun loving and musical approach.

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The Brad Gillis transitional live era was indeed a very low point for Ozzy -

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hopefully a clarification will come as george lynch, nuno bettencourt, tommy lee, warren demartini, brad gillis, jak e lee, rod morgenstein , reb beach and many others would say that a lot of those 80's rock bands had extremely accomplished musicians.

I shouldn't be speaking for him, but being that the poster you want clarification from is also a guitar player/musician, I'm sure he would agree those are accomplished musicians, as would everyone else who has heard them play. But what has come to light now that you've pointed all of those out, it's become even more clear that bands they played for really did suck. Jake E. Lee was a low point for Ozzy (except the title track Bark at the Moon), and whatever band he formed on his own was even worse imo. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger? You can listen to and love Dokken, Ratt, Extreme, etc., all you want, and some people still do (?), but the bottom line is they were part of the very reason that 'grunge' happened in the first place which pretty much wiped most of them off of the map. I did kind of like a few of those songs from some of those bands at the time probably due to being forced down my throat via MTV (and I did like great guitar players), but looking back on it all it really was what I refer to as the 'Dark Ages' of rock and roll and music in general. Just Dreadful.

brad gillis also did a tour with ozzy. to be honest a lot of ozzy fans regard the jake e lee era better than the zakk wylde era

The Brad Gillis transitional live era was indeed a very low point for Ozzy - possibly the lowest of them all, but he was asked to fill some big shoes (Randy Rhodes)and helped Ozzy finish the tour - after that he was long gone. But I was referring to studio albums hence my comment "the title track Bark at the Moon". As for the Zakk Wylde era, I can see why some Ozzy fans think that, though there are others who would disagree. He was in the band much longer, and while it was not all top notch, if you narrowed it all down it would rise way above the Jake.E. Lee era. Miracle Man alone tops the entire Jake.E. Lee era imo. That being said, I might have been better able to respond to all this 30+ years ago when I cared a little, but at this point I have little interest in all of the intricacies of Ozzy and his comrades throughout the years (except the Randy Rhodes era)- I've simply outgrown most of it and/or it simply hasn't stood the test of time. Looking forward to the return of Zakk Wylde into Ozzy's band...not really.

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The Brad Gillis transitional live era was indeed a very low point for Ozzy -

Ohohohoh you forgot the Bernie Tormé transitional live era which happened right after RR's death and was even more sordid and sad...

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I´d rather listen to Wanna Dance With Somebody than to any of the grunge stuff of the 90s.

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"I think he was a little nervous about playing in Detroit, the music capital of the world, and he took a little too much of the Ativan."

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"I think he was a little nervous about playing in Detroit, the music capital of the world, and he took a little too much of the Ativan."

Cornell had been a music professional since the 80s. I'm sure he's played Detroit dozens of times. But all of a sudden he was nervous? I don't buy it.