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Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: October 15, 2017 04:32

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Hairball
I don't have much of a problem with any of this dvd except some of the same minor complaints that have already mentioned above.
My only problem is Ronnie's solo in CYHMK...almost complete overkill that lacks a lot subtlety and nuance.
It starts of decent enough, but then turns into a freight train blasting through a field of tulips...he literally shreds the vibe.
Then Karl steps back in and sort of reels Ronnie back in to a listenable groove, but the damage had been done.[/quote

Look you saw Mick Taylor
do it at the LA forum and now you’re ruined for
life. Price you pay.
(Edit, Staples Center, 2013, Midnight Rambler. East Coast got the CYHMK, seen the videos. It was a dumb joke. And Ron Wood kills it here, btw)
;-/
As for ‘documentary’ I barely heard anything from these guys. Ronnie was hilarious sincerely ?’s who IS it on SF cover,
and, well, after Mick unfolded himself into the chair laughing,
I confess I don’t remember what he said after that -
IDK, I am not a video concert viewer, 90% audio only,
so the order not important -



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-10-15 05:51 by 35love.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: October 15, 2017 06:05

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35love
Quote
Hairball
I don't have much of a problem with any of this dvd except some of the same minor complaints that have already mentioned above.
My only problem is Ronnie's solo in CYHMK...almost complete overkill that lacks a lot subtlety and nuance.
It starts of decent enough, but then turns into a freight train blasting through a field of tulips...he literally shreds the vibe.
Then Karl steps back in and sort of reels Ronnie back in to a listenable groove, but the damage had been done.
Look you saw Mick Taylor
do it at the LA forum and now you’re ruined for
life. Price you pay.
;-/
As for ‘documentary’ I barely heard anything from these guys. Ronnie was hilarious sincerely ?’s who IS it on SF cover,
and, well, after Mick unfolded himself into the chair laughing,
I confess I don’t remember what he said after that -
IDK, I am not a video concert viewer, 90% audio only,
so the order not important -

Actually it was L.A. Staples Center - not the Forum. I also saw him play it at both Anaheim shows as well as Vegas in '13. And I saw him play it at the very small 100 Club at a solo show in London '03.
But they're all readily available on boots and in some cases videos on youtube, so everyone can experience them if they wish. Or, you can simply listen to the original studio version - nothing beats that imo.
But again, enjoying this release for the most part - it clearly shows the Stones are truly in their element and give it all they got when playing in small venues - especially during this latter part of their career. thumbs up

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Nothing to do, nowhere to go...you're talkin' to people that you don't know....

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: October 16, 2017 13:21

I finally watched this on Saturday and what a joy this was for me with the exception of the buzz/vibe busting interviews which should be in the bonus section along with my only other gripe being the incorrect track running order which I prefer the actual setlist(but fixed easy enough with my remote/clicker to get the order correct ) order from the actual concert .Fine work by the Rolling Stones performing the entirety of Sticky Fingers .I loved Mick's comment that they are performing Sticky Fingers in the order of the track listing for the 8 track cassette ,that had me laughing .Very good playing throughout the show and when the Rolling Stones / Glimmer Twins set there mind to doing something there is no one that can stop them from achieving there goals . Bravo !!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: Testify ()
Date: October 19, 2017 14:08

I finally saw the excellent DVD, audio and video, great concert and great performance. Ronnie here is great, her solo guitar in CYHMK is sublime, great work at Karl's sax. Keith was very focused on doing a good job. Sister Morphine is gorgeous and Ronnie is applause, I still have goose skin. This concert is fantastic and you do not feel the lack of Taylor. Thank you Jesus, thank you lord!

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: October 19, 2017 14:31

I think Jumping Jack Flash vocals are overdubbed. Mick seems like he has a problem during the song...

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: Testify ()
Date: October 19, 2017 22:36

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hockenheim95
I think Jumping Jack Flash vocals are overdubbed. Mick seems like he has a problem during the song...
Is there a Live Stones album without overdubbed? I think no and I think overdubbed is fine if it does not overthrow the original.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: October 19, 2017 22:41

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Testify
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hockenheim95
I think Jumping Jack Flash vocals are overdubbed. Mick seems like he has a problem during the song...
Is there a Live Stones album without overdubbed? I think no and I think overdubbed is fine if it does not overthrow the original.

I don't think there are vocal overdubs on Hyde park and Cuba. Only major screw ups were fixed (SMU intro, OOC solo)

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: mosthigh ()
Date: October 20, 2017 05:54

Available now on several well known trackers.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: October 20, 2017 07:06

As I had thought, Amazon sent me a CD/DVD package instead of the ordered LP/DVD set.

I asked that they rectify and after to-ing and fro-ing they agreed.

Another CD/DVD set arrived.

After to-ing and fro-ing again they tell me they have refunded all costs to me, I can keep both CD/DVD sets, BUT no LP/DVD set is in stock so they cant fulfill my original order.

There ARE "resellers" stock available thru Amazon.co.uk, which is where I ordered, but NONE IN Amazon's actual stock.

Bugga

****** Rod - love the missus, the Stones, Springsteen, Travel, NYC, Cars and Apple.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-10-20 09:03 by bitusa2012.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 20, 2017 07:37

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bitusa2012
As I had thought, Amazon sent me a CD/DVD package instead of the ordered LP/DVD set.

I asked that they rectify and after to-ing and fro-ing they agreed.

Another CD/DVD set arrived.

After to-ing and fro-ing again they tell me they have refunded all costs to me, I can keep both CD/DVD sets, BUT no LP/DVD set is in stock so they cant fulfill my original order.

There ARE "resellers" available thru Amazon.co.uk, which is where I rodered, but NONE IN Amazon's actual stock.

Bugga

are you in the usa? do you have a spare cd/dvd set you would like to sell?

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: October 20, 2017 09:03

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keefriffhard4life
Quote
bitusa2012
As I had thought, Amazon sent me a CD/DVD package instead of the ordered LP/DVD set.

I asked that they rectify and after to-ing and fro-ing they agreed.

Another CD/DVD set arrived.

After to-ing and fro-ing again they tell me they have refunded all costs to me, I can keep both CD/DVD sets, BUT no LP/DVD set is in stock so they cant fulfill my original order.

There ARE "resellers" available thru Amazon.co.uk, which is where I rodered, but NONE IN Amazon's actual stock.

Bugga

are you in the usa? do you have a spare cd/dvd set you would like to sell?

I am in Australia!

****** Rod - love the missus, the Stones, Springsteen, Travel, NYC, Cars and Apple.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 20, 2017 09:46

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bitusa2012
Quote
keefriffhard4life
Quote
bitusa2012
As I had thought, Amazon sent me a CD/DVD package instead of the ordered LP/DVD set.

I asked that they rectify and after to-ing and fro-ing they agreed.

Another CD/DVD set arrived.

After to-ing and fro-ing again they tell me they have refunded all costs to me, I can keep both CD/DVD sets, BUT no LP/DVD set is in stock so they cant fulfill my original order.

There ARE "resellers" available thru Amazon.co.uk, which is where I rodered, but NONE IN Amazon's actual stock.

Bugga

are you in the usa? do you have a spare cd/dvd set you would like to sell?

I am in Australia!


oh ok. didn't know with the user name

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 20, 2017 10:21

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bitusa2012
Quote
keefriffhard4life
Quote
bitusa2012
As I had thought, Amazon sent me a CD/DVD package instead of the ordered LP/DVD set.

I asked that they rectify and after to-ing and fro-ing they agreed.

Another CD/DVD set arrived.

After to-ing and fro-ing again they tell me they have refunded all costs to me, I can keep both CD/DVD sets, BUT no LP/DVD set is in stock so they cant fulfill my original order.

There ARE "resellers" available thru Amazon.co.uk, which is where I rodered, but NONE IN Amazon's actual stock.

Bugga

are you in the usa? do you have a spare cd/dvd set you would like to sell?

I am in Australia!

The same thing happened to me with the Marquee-set.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: Wild Slivovitz ()
Date: October 20, 2017 11:48

I think it's an excellent release from start to finish. Jagger's performance is very powerful. I also enjoyed the interviews between songs, they make this release stand out from all the other regular concert videos out there.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 20, 2017 12:05

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Wild Slivovitz
I think it's an excellent release from start to finish. Jagger's performance is very powerful. I also enjoyed the interviews between songs, they make this release stand out from all the other regular concert videos out there.

+1 (including the interviews)

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: RoughJusticeOnYa ()
Date: October 20, 2017 14:14

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Testify
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hockenheim95
I think Jumping Jack Flash vocals are overdubbed. Mick seems like he has a problem during the song...
Is there a Live Stones album without overdubbed? I think no and I think overdubbed is fine if it does not overthrow the original.

Agreed to that -

However, and only for the sake of "knowing", I'd like to suggest sharing input on possible overdubs for this recording again...

I haven't (and can't either, right now) watched this DVD in close detail; but has anybody else noticed that thing about the lead vocals on JJF too?
Any other moments during the show you got an 'OD*-Alert'?

* 'OD' means overdub... smoking smiley

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 20, 2017 14:24

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RoughJusticeOnYa
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Testify
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hockenheim95
I think Jumping Jack Flash vocals are overdubbed. Mick seems like he has a problem during the song...
Is there a Live Stones album without overdubbed? I think no and I think overdubbed is fine if it does not overthrow the original.

Agreed to that -

However, and only for the sake of "knowing", I'd like to suggest sharing input on possible overdubs for this recording again...

I haven't (and can't either, right now) watched this DVD in close detail; but has anybody else noticed that thing about the lead vocals on JJF too?
Any other moments during the show you got an 'OD*-Alert'?

* 'OD' means overdub... smoking smiley

There is an auto tune-moment on Moonlight Mile, as proven on this board earlier.

I don't think there are any overdubs on SAL, btw (apart from 2 seconds on one track by Ronnie, as he confirmed himself).

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: slowhand ()
Date: October 29, 2017 19:42

Is there a general consensus on the best audio version of this show? CD, Blu-ray 2.0 audio or original download?

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: October 29, 2017 20:03

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slowhand
Is there a general consensus on the best audio version of this show? CD, Blu-ray 2.0 audio or original download?

Blu Ray sounds very good. Download and CD is not that good. I did not listen to vinyl.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: October 30, 2017 12:02

Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 30, 2017 13:06

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RobertJohnson
Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

That's strange, as the vinyl sounds excellent...

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: October 30, 2017 13:27

Yep , the vinyl isn't at all bad .

[Better sound on vinyl than many other Vaults releases to be fair.
Some of which are a bit one dimensional and lacking in dynamics ]

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 30, 2017 13:31

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Spud
Yep , the vinyl isn't at all bad .

[Better sound on vinyl than many other Vaults releases to be fair.
Some of which are a bit one dimensional and lacking in dynamics ]

Yeah, there is a huuuge difference in dynamics between Brussels and Hyde Park, for instance, where the latter sounds rather flat in comparison.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: October 31, 2017 13:04

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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

That's strange, as the vinyl sounds excellent...

I've got the DVD/CD-package from Amazon. I heard only the CD so far hoping that the DVD sounds better. And checked the download quality by Apple Music. I concede that it sounds a little better using AirPods.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 31, 2017 13:15

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RobertJohnson
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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

That's strange, as the vinyl sounds excellent...

I've got the DVD/CD-package from Amazon. I heard only the CD so far hoping that the DVD sounds better. And checked the download quality by Apple Music. I concede that it sounds a little better using AirPods.

What is it exactly that you find bad about the sound?

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: October 31, 2017 16:12

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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

That's strange, as the vinyl sounds excellent...

I've got the DVD/CD-package from Amazon. I heard only the CD so far hoping that the DVD sounds better. And checked the download quality by Apple Music. I concede that it sounds a little better using AirPods.

What is it exactly that you find bad about the sound?

Particularly the first tracks, the non-Sticky Fingers, are completely muffled, e.g. "Whip" I can't hardly differentiate between Ronnie and Keith. I general the record lacks analytical depth. I don't know exactly to say it in English.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Date: October 31, 2017 17:33

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RobertJohnson
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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
Great setlist, great moments on stage, yes, but a lousy, muffled sound on CD and download. Inbelievable how bad it sounds.

That's strange, as the vinyl sounds excellent...

I've got the DVD/CD-package from Amazon. I heard only the CD so far hoping that the DVD sounds better. And checked the download quality by Apple Music. I concede that it sounds a little better using AirPods.

What is it exactly that you find bad about the sound?

Particularly the first tracks, the non-Sticky Fingers, are completely muffled, e.g. "Whip" I can't hardly differentiate between Ronnie and Keith. I general the record lacks analytical depth. I don't know exactly to say it in English.

Hmm, seems weird. They are heavily panned on each side on the vinyl version. Shouldn't really be any reason for selling different mixes here?

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: October 31, 2017 17:43

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DandelionPowderman
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RobertJohnson
Particularly the first tracks, the non-Sticky Fingers, are completely muffled, e.g. "Whip" I can't hardly differentiate between Ronnie and Keith. I general the record lacks analytical depth. I don't know exactly to say it in English.
Hmm, seems weird. They are heavily panned on each side on the vinyl version. Shouldn't really be any reason for selling different mixes here?
I think the CD mix itself it pretty good but it sounds squashed (->brickwalled) like hell. No transients so if you look at the waveform it's all one big sausage. Not the first time Marcussen ruined a great Mix from clearmountain. Don't have the LP, but I bet that for Vinyl they used the same mix but did a seperate mastering.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: hockenheim95 ()
Date: October 31, 2017 19:16

I can't listen to this and Hyde Park because of the mastering. They sound so bad. The Blu Ray versions are great.

Re: Sticky Fingers Live At The Fonda to be released on DVD/Blu Ray
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: October 31, 2017 20:20

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hockenheim95
I can't listen to this and Hyde Park because of the mastering. They sound so bad. The Blu Ray versions are great.
Stephen Marcussen has ruined the CD/Download sound of many recent live releases.. Havana Moon, Totally Stripped, Live at leeds & roundhouse from the SF Super Deluxe and most From The Vault releases. A shame since Bob Clearmountain always does a stellar mixing job. Wish they would let Kevin Gray do it again, he did a great job on Some Girls live in Texas.

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