I cut Henley some slack. He wants to play, so he needs a band. Hey, he's got a band, so why not get them together.
It's probably a lot like the Stones in that the band employs so many people that part of your rationale is to take care of them and go make some money.
Whether you see them is up to you.
As much as I wish some of these acts would go away so new acts can get a chance, I can't blame them for touring.

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I cut Henley some slack. He wants to play, so he needs a band. Hey, he's got a band, so why not get them together.
It's probably a lot like the Stones in that the band employs so many people that part of your rationale is to take care of them and go make some money.
Whether you see them is up to you.
As much as I wish some of these acts would go away so new acts can get a chance, I can't blame them for touring.

I've always said "I don't blame them for touring." If people are stupid enough, or if thats too harsh a word for them (despite its truth) I'll use childish, to play right into it thats on the fans, not the band. However, I do think there should be some honesty in it. I'm sorry, the Stones would NOT call it the Stones if Mick OR Keith died. They can replace anyone else (not that I think they should) and realistically call it the Stones, but you can't replace Mick and Keith. The Eagles are very much the same way. The two chief guys, Don and Glenn, are irreplaceable. I'm sorry, its the truth.

If Don wants to play, I'm not stopping him. I don't think he shouldn't. He does with his solo band but I get that he wants to play big places. But don't go out as "the Eagles". Go out as a different name. Don, Tim and Joe. A slightly different bird name. But going out as the Eagles without Don and Glenn is a bit sad, to me. I get that a name means a lot, but I would hope that if Keith died and Mick wanted to tour, he'd go out with Charlie and Ronnie and tour as a various of the Stones name, but not as the Rolling Stones. Its not difficult, and it is a bit more respectful. I'd have no grudges against him doing that and wouldn't really have any faults. But going out as the Eagles? I'm sorry, you'll have me saying "damn Don, thats a new low." He doesn't have to listen to me, and won't hear me from his palace, but I do think its a poor move. Its disingenuous and a stain on their legacy, not that I'm losing sleep over it.

I don't know that they would book him if he didn't go out as the Eagles.

Don Henley and Joe Walsh could play Madison Square Garden under whatever name they wanted and do fine business. Yes, they can't play stadiums, but they could do very good arena work under whatever name they wanted.

They are supposedly going to call themselves by a different name than Eagles. But whatever that name is, it isn't on the promotional material for these shows.

i would suggest Beagles. they can get groovy tees with the 'best of the breed' kinda vibes...i mean photoshop a pic of don's and joes and that bass player guy fred or tim or jimmy or whatever....u know have their FACES photoshpped onto a Beagles body!!! it would be so fab!! The Beagles...wow....one letter away; it's subliminalble...sublimanblelball...respectaballlll....
they could do Take It Fleasy and people would adore them for it!! no don't stop me now....this could work!!!! "Peaceful fleasy feeling" "Desperdogdoh u ain't gettin' younger; your paine and urr hunngggerrrr" woof...
they could do a country rock Diamond Dogs. no wait. this could work...Tallahassie Lassie....i can put the set together!!! i just want to help!!

call the tour "One of Those Frights!" they could come on w scary masks!
come on people; i'm doing all the heavy lifting here...lets get this ol' donkey on the trail!! The Donkees!!! the donkeys? we can work this out...they need us now...it's time to give back... !
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Don Henley and Joe Walsh could play Madison Square Garden under whatever name they wanted and do fine business. Yes, they can't play stadiums, but they could do very good arena work under whatever name they wanted.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Curiously, whenever these guys tour individually, they play mid-level places, like the casinos or 5-8K seat venues. A Henley-Walsh tour would admittedly be a bigger draw than one of them, but it has always seemed odd to me how small the place is whenever I've seen a solo Henley. I'm certainly not complaining about that but given how exponentially larger Eagles venues are, it has just always seemed strange to me.

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Don Henley and Joe Walsh could play Madison Square Garden under whatever name they wanted and do fine business. Yes, they can't play stadiums, but they could do very good arena work under whatever name they wanted.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Curiously, whenever these guys tour individually, they play mid-level places, like the casinos or 5-8K seat venues. A Henley-Walsh tour would admittedly be a bigger draw than one of them, but it has always seemed odd to me how small the place is whenever I've seen a solo Henley. I'm certainly not complaining about that but given how exponentially larger Eagles venues are, it has just always seemed strange to me.

I totally agree with that. It is strange, although its also not because the catalogs people want to hear from them is based on a band, not one person. Their solo material draws the venues it plays. However, I do think if marketed right, those two plus Tim could tour and essentially be the Eagles without calling it the Eagles. Make it clear you're playing those songs and just not call it the Eagles. I could be wrong though. The general concert buying public is extremely fickle and stupid.

I hope that there is a DVD/Blu-ray release of these shows. Odds are that this might indeed just be the two shows and that's it for the Eagles. I wanted them to go out on a higher note than the Grammys tribute, and I got my wish. If Glenn's son is indeed in his father's place, I wish him all the best. I hope that Jackson Browne is involved, and will do not just "Take It Easy", but I'd like to see them do some of Jackson's songs in place of Glenn's solo material. Maybe even a Warren Zevon track for additional tribute. I also hope that Waddy Wachtel is involved and will play at the shows, not just the Fleetwood Mac set, but the Eagles set as well. Though, to be truly complete, one thing I wish for that I know won't happen is David Lindley joining in, with his fiddle and guitar.

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I hope that there is a DVD/Blu-ray release of these shows. Odds are that this might indeed just be the two shows and that's it for the Eagles. I wanted them to go out on a higher note than the Grammys tribute, and I got my wish. If Glenn's son is indeed in his father's place, I wish him all the best. I hope that Jackson Browne is involved, and will do not just "Take It Easy", but I'd like to see them do some of Jackson's songs in place of Glenn's solo material. Maybe even a Warren Zevon track for additional tribute. I also hope that Waddy Wachtel is involved and will play at the shows, not just the Fleetwood Mac set, but the Eagles set as well. Though, to be truly complete, one thing I wish for that I know won't happen is David Lindley joining in, with his fiddle and guitar.

Lots of wishful thinking there, and all of it may very well happen!

But why would Waddy be involved with the Fleetwood Mac set?
Yes he has a connection with Stevie Nicks solo, but Fleetwood Mac have recently been touring just fine and dandy with just the core members.
Lyndsey Buckingham doesn't need any outside help, he's thrilling to watch, and there's simply no room on the stage for Waddy!

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J.D. Souther would be a good person to be there. He co-wrote some of their hits, can sing, and had a fairly successful solo career. Supposedly Deacon Frey has been in rehearsal. Irving Azoff put the thing together, so it's just a money grab. Maybe Cindy Frey wanted the son to get a chance. I still doubt he has much talent, but who knows. Maybe they want a touring Eagles to consist of the Eagle kids once the elders are out of the picture.

There's a new kid in town...


Glenn Frey’s Son Is Going To Replace His Dad On Eagles Tour
“I think it’s the only appropriate way to carry on. I don’t think I’d do it otherwise,” Don Henley said.
By Maxwell Strachan
05/16/2017

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The Eagles have officially found their replacement for the late Glenn Frey, and it’s Frey’s son Deacon.

On Monday, The Eagles’ Don Henley announced on Dallas sports radio station KTCK that Deacon had signed on to play a number of shows with the band in July.

“There’s going to be an official announcement in a few days, but let’s just do it here,” Henley said. “Glenn’s son Deacon is a very talented young man, and he seems to be up for the task. He’s enthusiastic about it and he’s been working real hard on it, and he’s gonna do it with us. and I think that’s appropriate.”

Henley said that after Frey died in January 2016, he wasn’t sure he wanted to continue touring with the moniker. But playing with Deacon just felt right.

“There’s an old system both in Eastern and Western culture called the guild system, where the father is the master and the son is the apprentice. The trade, the craft, the business is handed down from father to son,” Henley said.

“I think it’s the only appropriate way to carry on. I don’t think I’d do it otherwise. Since it’s Glenn’s blood, it’s his son, I think that’s appropriate. There’ll be one more musician along for the ride too, but I’m not gonna say who that is.”

The shows will take place at Los Angeles’ Dodger Stadium in July and later that month at Citi Field in New York City. Other bands including Steely Dan and Fleetwood Mac will take the stage as well.

Henley said as long as people want to hear the band’s songs, he’ll do what he can to keep them satisfied.

“It’s my responsibility to carry on this legacy and to keep these songs alive,” Henley said. “Apparently people still want to hear them. I thought we were done when Glenn passed away and I said as much, but I was in a state of shock at the time. But we have gotten a lot of messages from people all over the world from people who would like to see things continue.”

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Translation: Cindy Frey made him/them do it. She no doubt inherited Glenn's share of Eagles, Inc., which means she has as much power as Henley. She's a widow with a bad disease (lupus), so he probably feels guilty. She may need the income stream to keep up her accustomed lifestyle, and wants her son to get a chance.Plus Don likes money, too, as well as Irving Azoff. Good luck to Deacon, but those are tough shoes to fill. The marketplace will decide.

That's a lot of conspiracy going on...maybe they (Henley, etc) just want to give the kid a chance?
I have zero interest in it no matter who they chose, but hoping the kid has a good time and wishing him the best of luck.
The heat is on, and hopefully he can step up to the plate and give it his best shot.

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Its mean, I honestly hope they fail. Its nothing against the kid, and I love Walsh and like Henley even though he's an ass. But sometimes there's a right time to call it quits. I get that Henley has more of a say than I do in how the band he and Glenn started continues, but this just seems like a money grab and I don't agree with what it will do for the business. Just as how they raised ticket prices, it lends authenticity to bands that should know when to stop. Maybe Glenn would love the idea that his son is becoming an Eagle and becoming the leader he was. I just don't agree with it and because they all had other options and more than enough money already, I'd selfishly like to see this blow up in their face.

Just being honest. I'll say the same when KISS loses Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons and they continue on as they say they plan to. Start new bands guys. What the hell happened to something original.

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Its mean, I honestly hope they fail. Its nothing against the kid, and I love Walsh and like Henley even though he's an ass. But sometimes there's a right time to call it quits. I get that Henley has more of a say than I do in how the band he and Glenn started continues, but this just seems like a money grab and I don't agree with what it will do for the business. Just as how they raised ticket prices, it lends authenticity to bands that should know when to stop. Maybe Glenn would love the idea that his son is becoming an Eagle and becoming the leader he was. I just don't agree with it and because they all had other options and more than enough money already, I'd selfishly like to see this blow up in their face.

You summed it up well.

Henley, from just last November...

“I don’t see how we could go out and play without the guy who started the band. It would just seem like greed or something...it would seem like a desperate thing.”

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Its mean, I honestly hope they fail. Its nothing against the kid, and I love Walsh and like Henley even though he's an ass. But sometimes there's a right time to call it quits. I get that Henley has more of a say than I do in how the band he and Glenn started continues, but this just seems like a money grab and I don't agree with what it will do for the business. Just as how they raised ticket prices, it lends authenticity to bands that should know when to stop. Maybe Glenn would love the idea that his son is becoming an Eagle and becoming the leader he was. I just don't agree with it and because they all had other options and more than enough money already, I'd selfishly like to see this blow up in their face.

You summed it up well.

Henley, from just last November...

“I don’t see how we could go out and play without the guy who started the band. It would just seem like greed or something...it would seem like a desperate thing.”

Mick and Keith are like "One of us, one of us . . . "

There is a clip of Deacon singing the Steve Miller tune "Jet Airliner" on YouTube. It was a benefit show from years ago, and his singing is pretty bad. He seems to have a naturally weak voice. He did not inherit his dad's natural vocal strength. Maybe Glenn didn't have the greatest voice, but at least it was on-pitch and strong. I guess fans paying good money will find out if training can help a poor voice. Then add in the fact that it's still a little too soon, and that Glenn was the heart of the band, as well as the emcee and second most charismatic behind Joe Walsh . . . Yeah, I'll pass.

The Eagles were first and foremost Glenn Frey's band. There's no other way to put it.

The Eagles were first and foremost Glenn Frey's band. There's no other way to put it. I saw Don Feldor play Monday night at Sammy Hagar's "Acoustic for a Cure" benefit show at the Fillmore in SF. He did Tequila Sunrise and Hotel California both of which were well done and dedicated to Glenn.

Does anybody know who will be playing in Glenn Frey's spot?

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For all of Henley's trumpeting that "it's Glenn's son" and "it's the legacy" and "yada, yada, yada" the question I want answered is:

"Will Glenn's son also be receiving Glenn's cut of the profit?"

From what I understand, both Schmidt and Walsh receive salaries far smaller than what Don & Glen got. I'm pretty sure that's why Felder left the band after years of "equal splits". I'd love for someone to get Henley on the record telling the truth, that HE'S the only EAGLE left and the rest are all just paid sidemen.

I'm glad I saw the Eagles when I did. I have no desire to see them now.

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For all of Henley's trumpeting that "it's Glenn's son" and "it's the legacy" and "yada, yada, yada" the question I want answered is:

"Will Glenn's son also be receiving Glenn's cut of the profit?"

From what I understand, both Schmidt and Walsh receive salaries far smaller than what Don & Glen got. I'm pretty sure that's why Felder left the band after years of "equal splits". I'd love for someone to get Henley on the record telling the truth, that HE'S the only EAGLE left and the rest are all just paid sidemen.

I'm glad I saw the Eagles when I did. I have no desire to see them now.

Peace,
Mr DJA

Pretty sure Don Felder got fired for asking for more money and was told by Henley/Frey that they could get a guy that could play Felder's parts note for note and that's what they did .Glenn's son will not get his fathers cut I believe .

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For all of Henley's trumpeting that "it's Glenn's son" and "it's the legacy" and "yada, yada, yada" the question I want answered is:

"Will Glenn's son also be receiving Glenn's cut of the profit?"

From what I understand, both Schmidt and Walsh receive salaries far smaller than what Don & Glen got. I'm pretty sure that's why Felder left the band after years of "equal splits". I'd love for someone to get Henley on the record telling the truth, that HE'S the only EAGLE left and the rest are all just paid sidemen.

I'm glad I saw the Eagles when I did. I have no desire to see them now.

Peace,
Mr DJA

As far as I remember (and from Felder's book), you've got it exactly right...Schmit and Walsh have always been "employees" and Henley-Frey created a new two-man Eagles corporation in 2000 or so, which led to Felder's departure.

Glad I saw them when I did, too.

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For all of Henley's trumpeting that "it's Glenn's son" and "it's the legacy" and "yada, yada, yada" the question I want answered is:

"Will Glenn's son also be receiving Glenn's cut of the profit?"

From what I understand, both Schmidt and Walsh receive salaries far smaller than what Don & Glen got. I'm pretty sure that's why Felder left the band after years of "equal splits". I'd love for someone to get Henley on the record telling the truth, that HE'S the only EAGLE left and the rest are all just paid sidemen.

I'm glad I saw the Eagles when I did. I have no desire to see them now.

Peace,
Mr DJA

As far as I remember (and from Felder's book), you've got it exactly right...Schmit and Walsh have always been "employees" and Henley-Frey created a new two-man Eagles corporation in 2000 or so, which led to Felder's departure.

Glad I saw them when I did, too.

Yeah, the 5 Eagles (original 4 and Felder) created Eagles limited in the 70s. Then Meisner and Bernie left and Walsh and Schmitt came in. Back then it was probably more equal, but I imagine even then they got paid less for being new members. When they got back together, Don and Glenn insisted they make more. Felder I guess initially agreed to that then really fought that it wasn't right. In the end, his poking got him fired and now they probably pay a guy peanuts, while Walsh and Schmidt accept that check thats far below what Don and Glenn made. I have to imagine Don will be the only one receieving way more, as there's no way someone like Walsh will stand onstage with a kid who's proved nothing and is making Glenn Frey money. I have to guess he makes the same or less then Walsh and Schmidt now.

Everything's explained in detail in Felder's book (a good read) but if memory serves what happened is that they set up a new corporation in 1994 when they got back together and toured. Frey and Henley got a bigger percentage because they had done more to keep the Eagles name "in the news" or something like that. That corporation licensed the right to the Eagles' name to Eagles LTD and of course it wasn't exactly an arm's length transaction...

Felder told Azoff from the get go that he didn't like the idea but was coaxed into going along with the plan (the money was still good for him in that new corporation) with a promise that things would be straightened our later on, they never were. As time went on as a partner of Eagles LTD he had his lawyer ask for documentation on the royalties and that was never forthcoming. The final straw came when they released that a box set in 2001 and Felder didn't want to sign off on it until things were finally set straight within Eagles LTD...and then he got fired.

It was a tough situation, obviously Frey and Henley were the leaders, but without Felder there would have been no "Hotel California".

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"without Felder there would have been no "Hotel California"'.

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Do FM play any of the Bob Welch era tunes (Future Games, Emerald Eyes etc) 'these days' or has that chapter in their history been disappeared?

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Do FM play any of the Bob Welch era tunes (Future Games, Emerald Eyes etc) 'these days' or has that chapter in their history been disappeared?

they haven't done that since probably the late 70's