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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 5, 2019 16:26

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LazarusSmith
Not to condone behavior that many of us find reprehensible, but ...

Isn't it to at least a certain extent just the human condition to be a mass of contradictions and complexity? Haven't horrible people written novels that moved and inspired centuries of readers? Haven't politicians who are serial philanderers enacted legislation which has made the lives of millions better? Haven't businessman who are rapacious cutthroats also founded schools for the poor which have helped untold numbers of kids that would have otherwise fallen through the cracks?

Yes.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: May 5, 2019 16:37

True Al; but hey, i'm shocked there isn't a band called SECKS OFFENDER
back then, to accompany the Battered Wives, a salty Canadian outfit
sorta stopping themselves as they started; in-sensitive in even that environment.
I try to avoid gossip; we'd have how many of 60's rock stars, AND country stars and politicians, whoa; as long as it's either violence porn or porn porn that gets people on the platforms that helps them cast stones elsewhere, without really knowing the personal dynamics. OK? i'm this far into a thought and someone could take these words and project anything about me. he's an apologist, he's super moral, he's super amoral, he likes the guys music so don't care if he kills someone like Vince Neil; hey it was an accident; i'm not on that dudes nonsense; but we are loving stuff since childhood that's been marketed as cynically and dry as any other product; and there's Pamela here in L.A. ( i was never in that scene and on the East Coast and a kid pretty much) but she and other's have written books about why it was important to them to hang with stars; I've had different views about all this over the years.
i thought the Plaster Casters were inspired and funny and i guess so did Jimi and a lot of the stars that said what the hell, if you got the fluff i got the stuff...and The Stones Billboard and lots of controversy is sometimes stoked...
then the faux morality shit show starts; how much of a pig was jimmy page; i mean we love him he's brilliant and thrilling and it's screwed up to the point where a lot of those women (Janis) and men on the road hooked up however;
it's not much of my business; it's very long ago; and as has been put forth, Ms. Smith has had many decades to speak with perspective; and bill claims to have been upset enough to present himself and his situation to LE, and see if they were to press charges of some sort.
if that's true, it's time for me to shut up about it.
to think of one of our boys as seedier than the others is likely very much another fan fantasy.

the Stones pop art adverts; even the most recent ones; i saw a cool profile
on the woman who designs a lot of it , even this days.
it's bubble gum boys band, to make a point, sort of half hippie-ish 60's Warholian pop mixed with other elements.
it's big tongue doing what? marketed to what age groups?
pretty much from very early one. i think a lot of this here is well intended; and a lot of it is bullshit in terms of their own, and others lives.
i see it as sad and i see it as very much more callous and cavalier than Bill's sad, or even sick attempts to start to figure out a life that was more than the isolating great success he ran into as a young man himself.
i guess he was the lone sex pirate of the sixties.
where's Klein's nephew on this.
let's have a seedy bill thread; and get every comment about just bill ; and his obvious panoramic seediness cause that's what defines this particular artist's life. right fans?
enough death porn; let's move up the chain to porn porn .



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: May 5, 2019 16:48

can't wait to enjoy this doc.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: May 5, 2019 17:05

and please in the future; every comment about Chuck Berry; or his songs, or people doing his material, should come with a Clear Reference about how to film people peeing remotely or whatever...and going to jail for other stuff as well....let's be true to our postings. it's ridiculous to deny the history and it's ridiculous to define someone's character or legal/moral issues around police reports or lack of same, short of demons who just kill or have obvious multi-felonies...
this isn't a thread about the documentary really; and i obviously haven't seen it yet; i hope i get to; it's not the ace priority; and i don't care what the culture things about The Stones as long as the radio stations can play their stuff; and as long as i can...the radio jocks are so controlled these last decades with hard playlists; it's rare when Steve Jones or another rock star, Dylan; they've also exploited radio or web-radio shows, with varying degrees of impact. steve van zandsts who comes to mind etc.
i'm guessing they won't be remembered as great moralists like the Clergy that does this systemically and worldwide...
i'm gonna shut up about this, er, rock fans with higher standards than my own need to continue...i'm going to Respectable. now. 7 am sunday morning; let's rock.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: stanlove ()
Date: May 5, 2019 17:10

One problem is people are comparing him to other people who just went around screwing young kids. Wyyman married her and she and her family were fine with the whole thing. He fell in love with a young girl and married her. Once again older men fell in love and married younger females throughout human history . It was only in the last few decades that people started to say this was wrong. I am not going to judge a guy who happened to fall in love with and marry a young female 40 years ago. I think people who do are ridiculous.

I would like to see the consent age in every country in the world right now. People are acting like this was tragic but I would bet it is going on in tons of places and they would never say anything about it.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: May 5, 2019 17:10

Should Sir Jagger and Mr. Richards be required to appear as witnesses, or as co-conspirators or otherwise associated with these crimes. And what were they up to that you didn't read in 16 Magazine; or something even more trashy like, at times, The New York Times....and what about THEIR owners lives. I'd like to see the testimony about moral keith; and why he didn't go public about this; he had the blade.he let you so down; i'd not listen again if i were some of you; it might get on you....and Mick; he's into EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY especially on tour,
so, he knew about this, virtually promoting it; whoops there goes the Knighthood and one of those countries needs to lock him up so he can think about the massive damage in his business purview; shut up.



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: May 5, 2019 18:18

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stanlove
One problem is people are comparing him to other people who just went around screwing young kids. Wyyman married her and she and her family were fine with the whole thing. He fell in love with a young girl and married her. Once again older men fell in love and married younger females throughout human history . It was only in the last few decades that people started to say this was wrong. I am not going to judge a guy who happened to fall in love with and marry a young female 40 years ago. I think people who do are ridiculous.

I would like to see the consent age in every country in the world right now. People are acting like this was tragic but I would bet it is going on in tons of places and they would never say anything about it.

Yeah...human history...well known for all kinds of strange, bizarre, whatever behaviour, tradition, obsessions...
You don't judge him...fine.
But you judge other people, who might have another opinion, for more or less good reasons.
That's a double standard par excellence...
Do you have children ? Maybe a 13 year old daughter informing you about a (sexual) relation with a 50 year old rockstar...sure you'll remind yourself immediately of human history...
But as long as the rockstar will marry your daughter, you'll be "fine with the whole thing"...?


Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: TornAndFried ()
Date: May 5, 2019 18:29

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shortfatfanny
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stanlove
One problem is people are comparing him to other people who just went around screwing young kids. Wyyman married her and she and her family were fine with the whole thing. He fell in love with a young girl and married her. Once again older men fell in love and married younger females throughout human history . It was only in the last few decades that people started to say this was wrong. I am not going to judge a guy who happened to fall in love with and marry a young female 40 years ago. I think people who do are ridiculous.

I would like to see the consent age in every country in the world right now. People are acting like this was tragic but I would bet it is going on in tons of places and they would never say anything about it.

Yeah...human history...well known for all kinds of strange, bizarre, whatever behaviour, tradition, obsessions...
You don't judge him...fine.
But you judge other people, who might have another opinion, for more or less good reasons.
That's a double standard par excellence...
Do you have children ? Maybe a 13 year old daughter informing you about a (sexual) relation with a 50 year old rockstar...sure you'll remind yourself immediately of human history...But as long as the rockstar will marry your daughter, you'll be "fine with the whole thing"...?


Her mother was apparently fine with the arrangement so who are we to judge?

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: May 5, 2019 18:33

The thing about this is karma. You want to tell your good story and then your past comes up and bites you in the ass. The funny thing is that Bill used to boast about his women affairs in the past (90's).
But now, when Metoo is around it's suddenly not comme-il-faut to do so.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: May 5, 2019 18:44

Interesting how attitudes change.
It was pretty well known in the 60s that Brian Jones had fathered 5 children, before he was 23...and pretty much disowned them. The youngest girl was 14 at the time. In Cheltenham, a very 'genteel ' town, also.
At the same time you could be locked up for minor drug possession and some pop stars had their careers almost ruined, for example by splitting their trousers on
stage. (PJ Proby).
And then we had laws against homosexuality which destroyed many peoples lives.

I wonder what attitudes will be like in 2050?

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: stanlove ()
Date: May 5, 2019 18:46

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shortfatfanny
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stanlove
One problem is people are comparing him to other people who just went around screwing young kids. Wyyman married her and she and her family were fine with the whole thing. He fell in love with a young girl and married her. Once again older men fell in love and married younger females throughout human history . It was only in the last few decades that people started to say this was wrong. I am not going to judge a guy who happened to fall in love with and marry a young female 40 years ago. I think people who do are ridiculous.

I would like to see the consent age in every country in the world right now. People are acting like this was tragic but I would bet it is going on in tons of places and they would never say anything about it.

Yeah...human history...well known for all kinds of strange, bizarre, whatever behaviour, tradition, obsessions...
You don't judge him...fine.
But you judge other people, who might have another opinion, for more or less good reasons.
That's a double standard par excellence...
Do you have children ? Maybe a 13 year old daughter informing you about a (sexual) relation with a 50 year old rockstar...sure you'll remind yourself immediately of human history...
But as long as the rockstar will marry your daughter, you'll be "fine with the whole thing"...?

Did I say I would be fine with my 13 year old having an affair with a 50 year old? That is not the point. I would not be fine with my 13 year old daughter having an affair with a 15 year old. The issue is how hard we should judge Wyman. He fell in love with a 14 year old and that has always happened. It is natural and has gone on through history.

I do agree that there should be laws against sexual contact between the two but you can't help whop you fall in love with.



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: May 6, 2019 08:58

The thing about this is karma.

Yeah..LD prays night & day that there's no such thing as Karma..
And that in turn means that she has no free time to write a book ……. YLSM...



ROCKMAN

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 6, 2019 13:15

I think Mandy’s mother being ‘ok’ with it is very relevant indeed. One could argue that she’s as guilty as Bill. I sense something may come of the digging-up of these old revelations. I love Bill as the Stones’ bassist, but what flawed human being he is.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: May 6, 2019 14:41

is there a stray cat blues live yas yas thread on iorr site anywhere? can'r find. like to see what fans picked up on or didn't.

[iorr.org]

comment on page 3 is , well a few comments pop up; one in partiuclar
and i haven't skimmed the rest of it, i'm not gonna paste any quotes,
i don't want to start shit about any of this or add to it; but
i guess i wanted perspective on this track and how fans have reviewed it in the past.



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 15:46

Many a pop/rock star has banged many an under age teenager. The mindset seems to be that they are ripe play things to be conquered and devoured. It's a recurring theme through out history and music history.

Some of the stones obviously indulged in it too.

"He told me he likes fourteen-year-old girls who look like little boys." - Devon Wilson talking about Mick.

Mick seemingly eventually wised up and kept it legal. Bill, blinded by lust and his mid life crisis messed up big time. He still doesn't seem to admit or get, atleast publicly, what part of his actions were so wrong. He frames it as if the issue is him being stupid for thinking a marriage to someone so much younger than him could work.

I think this docu sparked low level noise will fizzle out. Mainly because Bill is lucky that Mandy has moved on from it and doesn't want to punish him due to the hurt it would cause his family... especially his daughters. Mandy's Mum has some blame, but Bill is the one who abused his position of power.



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: May 6, 2019 16:33

[m.youtube.com]

Mandy Smith in 2010, a mature, level headed woman, holding her ground while the interviewer tries her best to get Mandy.

In other words,

THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN BEAT TO DEATH



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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: May 6, 2019 16:52

In a way Perks was a pioneer or a trendsetter. Although taking it a level too far. It is very common today for successful older men to court young girls.
And start a second or third family. Look at Sir Michael or Terry Jones.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 18:33

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35love


THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN BEAT TO DEATH

It's rarely talked about.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: May 6, 2019 18:53

Ted Nugent was another cradle robber by his own admission - including Courtney Love when she was only 12 (according to her).
And then he met an older gal who was 17 - still under the legal age limit, so Ted legally adopted her with her parents consent.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 19:02

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Hairball
Ted Nugent was another cradle robber by his own admission - including Courtney Love when she was only 12 (according to her).
And then he met an older gal who was 17 - still under the legal age limit, so Ted legally adopted her with her parents consent.

eye popping smiley

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Date: May 6, 2019 19:16

Some footage of the marriage and comments of the other Stones members.

Marriage

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: May 6, 2019 19:45

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His Majesty
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35love


THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN BEAT TO DEATH

It's rarely talked about.

If you are a Rolling Stones fan, it HAS been talked to death, you should know all about it.
This is a RS fan board. If you want to debate morals maybe find another band.

Mandy Smith clip I copied/ posted from 2010. She is at peace. Goodbye.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 19:56

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35love


If you are a Rolling Stones fan, it HAS been talked to death, you should know all about it.
This is a RS fan board. If you want to debate morality, maybe find another band.

Lol.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: May 6, 2019 20:02

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Paddy
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matxil
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paulspendel
Hi Doxa, basically you say that anyone who judges Bill, like I do, can’t be a Stones fan but is a so-called fan. It reminds me of the Bush doctrine: if you are not with us, you are against us. Judging Bill hasn’t got anything to do with high morals. It’s all about normal morals. I can’t believe especially a woman is defending his appaling actions. It’s like the Stockholm syndrome: the Stones held you hostage musically for decades, somehow Re-engineered your moral standards and now they can’t do anything wrong in your view.

thumbs up

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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: May 6, 2019 20:14

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His Majesty
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35love


If you are a Rolling Stones fan, it HAS been talked to death, you should know all about it.
This is a RS fan board. If you want to debate morality, maybe find another band.

Lol.

Setlists have also been talked to death....maybe time for all of us to find another board...lol...

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 20:37

The HAS been talked to death list.

No under age teens
No drugs
No set lists
No music
No fashions
No cultural impact
No Was Jones murdered?
No Taylor v Wood
No golden period
No Rolling Stones

What else? confused smiley

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: May 6, 2019 20:38

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Hairball
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His Majesty
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35love


If you are a Rolling Stones fan, it HAS been talked to death, you should know all about it.
This is a RS fan board. If you want to debate morality, maybe find another band.

Lol.

Setlists have also been talked to death....maybe time for all of us to find another board...lol...


I was worried I wrote ‘mortality’ instead of ‘morality’

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 6, 2019 20:47

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35love



I was worried I wrote ‘mortality’ instead of ‘morality’

Time to find another band.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: May 7, 2019 00:44

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His Majesty
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35love



I was worried I wrote ‘mortality’ instead of ‘morality’

Time to find another band.

Nah, I’m here through mortality.

Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: May 7, 2019 01:11

Also, by going on and on about the marriage and courtship that took place 40 years ago,
it seems disrespectful to Mandy, who 10 years ago went on national TV and shared how she’s grown from it, takes responsibility, and is at peace.
Right, let’s leave her alone now. Maybe Bill’s kids are tired of it too.
Some of the reviews for ‘The Quiet One’
lament more time not given to the Mandy Smith relationship eye rolling smiley
40 years ago, examined and done. Yes, the 80’s were crazy. Next.

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