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In many ways the music becomes your music. The soundtrack to your life indeed.
Lot of guys beginning to get a taste of how women have felt for centuries, getting their voices shut down. It's quite funny really, when the shoe is on the other foot for once.
Anyway, I would like to see this film, and (separate point) have never been a big fan of censorship.
Men alive today have not been alive for centuries so yours if a ridiculous point. So I guess a mob having the power to ruin an innocent person's life is funny as long as he is a man. I guess as long is it is not someone you care about .
Scary and pathetic post to say the least. thanks for exposing the mindset. Exactly why the mob needs pushback and exactly what people have been pointing out about lefties,
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I agree with everything you say, and actually amusement might often be one of the wisest reactions to vileness.
About the film - on-topic - however, I would like to add that showing or not showing it has nothing to do with censorship. Censorship comes from a government. This is a festival which - I assume - has certain standards and found that the documentary didn't fit into their standards. That's not censorship but just sticking to what they believe in. Anybody else is still free to start his or her own festival and show whatever documentary they want. If I throw a party, I have every right to invite or not invite whoever I want.
I think ultimately we all agree on this topic to some degree, it's just our interpretation of censorship that is getting lost in the translation and then it seems to get diverted into our world view and political views.
Yes what bill did with a 14 year old girl should be seen as illegal and should be for Mandy to decide if she considers that relationship abuse or not.
Yes it is up to the festival to decide what it thinks is right for its viewers and has the power to omit whatever footage or content it wishes.
It gets confusing when we over react to censorship in fear of where it might lead, i myself always over react to any sort of censorship and tend to take the stance that it is up to the individual to personally censor what we watch and what we don't wish to watch, like porn for instance, i don't think it's up to me to decide what others should watch because i don't think they should watch it. And this is the point really, people on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook are ganging up together and trying to influence the government and film companies and music companies etc.
For instance if you think what Liam Neeson said recently is vile and disgusting then of course you have the right to not pay to see a film with him in it, but do you have a right to deny anyone access to every film he has ever been involved with, this is the fear, that censorship will go to far.
That's right Spud, i have actually learnt a lot about people throughout this thread, people including myself tend to intemperate things and twist them to apply to their own way of thinking, not understanding where other people are coming from. For instance some people are just reacting to the metoo movement, others are reacting to not being able to see the documentary, others are bringing politics into it, putting people into political boxes when its actually a much bigger picture that causes emotions to stir. I think fundamentally we all have a better understanding of each other, and i'm grateful to BV for allowing this discussion. Ok i'm out of this topic now, cheers and gone.
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I never said that, not sure why you can't grasp that. But I do disagree with you on your last point. It makes no difference in what is to happen now, but I'm surprised that anyone would feel a crime like that is ok once enough time has past. That's your opinion, I just think it's ugly, and that's my opinion.
To stanlove, (sorry couldn't find the original post), I think, maybe one reason others are not agreeing with this last post of yours, is because they are blurred by more radical views. I don't see how anyone with sense could disagree with the body of your last post. I myself can not agree with the last sentence of your post. On the other hand I think you're right as rain on the other highlighted section.
Thank God Bill's not a clergy member in NYS.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
So, being in favour of equal rights is "blurred" by a "radical view"?
And "anyone with sense" agrees that equal rights is the opinion of a "mob"?
My my, this forum has become a true reflection of the current state of affairs in the world. A storm is threatning indeed.
Signed,
Don Corleone again.
And I don't blame her.
Can you imagine what a media circus it might be.
What any defence lawyers might put her through.
The unwanted publicity to her own family ...she has a child I believe.
What people would have to say about her Mother.
And maybe out of respect for Bill's own teenage children.
And so on.
Or Mandy thinks Bill showed her nothing but love and kindness, that maybe he thought i was 16 when we met, ( age of consent in UK ) that well we did get married when i was 18, he messed up but maybe since then Bill has apologized and tried to make it right, which of course he can't because that damage has been done and nothing can undo what has been done. That she doesn't hate him and want to send him to prison so his children miss the last few years of his life, that she doesn't want to shame her Mother either.
There is this other thing, it's called forgiveness, Mandy has a big heart i think and she has forgiven Bill many years ago and wants to move on, i think we on iorr should move on now.
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No statute of limitations? Maybe not a good system.
Good post. If Smith was saying she was abused by Wyman I would feel differently about this. It was a long time ago when things were different and the victim doesn't want to be seen as a victim. The mob is now telling people they have to be outraged by it and they have decided nobody should see it because they say so. That is how the mob works.
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OK...so how young would they have to be for it to be a problem for you. 9, 8 years old, 7? If it's wrong...it's wrong, and illegal. We're not talking about this being ancient history.
The laws were in place when Wyman perpetrated. They just weren't enforced.
Don't forget that the US legal system does not apply in the UK.
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60 Years a Fan
Once again. Things were different back then and proof of it is the fact that it did not hurt his career at all at the time. Back then people only got in trouble is the 13 year old stepped up and claimed to be a victim. That did not happen here and i am sure most people did not think she was a victim. I am actually amazed that so many don't get it was a different time. It didn't hurt the career of Elvis either. Today many years later they would both be in jail. I don't honestly know why this has to be explained at this point.
Basically back then if the 13 year old and her family were okay with it than it was pretty much acceptable, That is the world that Wyman was living in at the time. It was right out in the open. I like today't rules better but I am not going back 40 decades to judge someone back then.
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I know but not a great system when people can cry rape 40 plus years later and put someone in jail.
I know it doesn't make sense to you. That's kind of my point.
Bowing out of this one now. Have a good weekend.
Do not make easy assumptions re. me, and my stance on anything. I tried understanding stanlove's POV, which is far removed from mine, w/o using cute , easy rhetoric.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: March 27, 2019 22:46
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I grew up listening to the Stones and their music. During my young years, I put them up on a pedestal as larger than life human beings. As a teenager in the 1970's, I was truly mesmerized by them. I thought they were the coolest things going, the way they talked, dressed, acted, etc. They could do no wrong in my eyes, but that was the young and impressionable Sighunt talking. Later on in life, I began to separate the music from the personalities. The more I read about their "supposed" personal/private lives, the more I began to disengage. The realization finally dawned on me that I could still like their music (which provided the perfect sound track to my life- keeping alive through good times and bad), but not necessarily their life style choices or behavior they engaged in. Realizing this has help me find closure and balance in my own life.
In many ways the music becomes your music. The soundtrack to your life indeed.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
Posted by:
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Date: March 27, 2019 23:10
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Actually the metoo movement has tried to push the idea that all women must be believed. It is really getting out of hand and should scare everyone.
The snowflakes are upset.
And scared. Sad. They need a safe place.
Lot of guys beginning to get a taste of how women have felt for centuries, getting their voices shut down. It's quite funny really, when the shoe is on the other foot for once.
Anyway, I would like to see this film, and (separate point) have never been a big fan of censorship.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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stanlove
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Date: March 28, 2019 00:00
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Actually the metoo movement has tried to push the idea that all women must be believed. It is really getting out of hand and should scare everyone.
The snowflakes are upset.
And scared. Sad. They need a safe place.
Lot of guys beginning to get a taste of how women have felt for centuries, getting their voices shut down. It's quite funny really, when the shoe is on the other foot for once.
Anyway, I would like to see this film, and (separate point) have never been a big fan of censorship.
Men alive today have not been alive for centuries so yours if a ridiculous point. So I guess a mob having the power to ruin an innocent person's life is funny as long as he is a man. I guess as long is it is not someone you care about .
Scary and pathetic post to say the least. thanks for exposing the mindset. Exactly why the mob needs pushback and exactly what people have been pointing out about lefties,
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
Aquamarine
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Date: March 28, 2019 00:39
Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
And none of that has anything to do with THE FILM ABOUT BILL. #metoo has never had anything to do with the film about Bill. Which sounds very interesting and I would like to see it.
And none of that has anything to do with THE FILM ABOUT BILL. #metoo has never had anything to do with the film about Bill. Which sounds very interesting and I would like to see it.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
rebelhipi
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Date: March 28, 2019 04:04
Bill Wyman´s song Girls from his 1982 album is quite gringy when you think about his past.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: March 28, 2019 10:43
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Aquamarine
Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
And none of that has anything to do with THE FILM ABOUT BILL. #metoo has never had anything to do with the film about Bill. Which sounds very interesting and I would like to see it.
I agree with everything you say, and actually amusement might often be one of the wisest reactions to vileness.
About the film - on-topic - however, I would like to add that showing or not showing it has nothing to do with censorship. Censorship comes from a government. This is a festival which - I assume - has certain standards and found that the documentary didn't fit into their standards. That's not censorship but just sticking to what they believe in. Anybody else is still free to start his or her own festival and show whatever documentary they want. If I throw a party, I have every right to invite or not invite whoever I want.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
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Date: March 28, 2019 11:10
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Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
And none of that has anything to do with THE FILM ABOUT BILL. #metoo has never had anything to do with the film about Bill. Which sounds very interesting and I would like to see it.
I agree with everything you say, and actually amusement might often be one of the wisest reactions to vileness.
About the film - on-topic - however, I would like to add that showing or not showing it has nothing to do with censorship. Censorship comes from a government. This is a festival which - I assume - has certain standards and found that the documentary didn't fit into their standards. That's not censorship but just sticking to what they believe in. Anybody else is still free to start his or her own festival and show whatever documentary they want. If I throw a party, I have every right to invite or not invite whoever I want.
I think ultimately we all agree on this topic to some degree, it's just our interpretation of censorship that is getting lost in the translation and then it seems to get diverted into our world view and political views.
Yes what bill did with a 14 year old girl should be seen as illegal and should be for Mandy to decide if she considers that relationship abuse or not.
Yes it is up to the festival to decide what it thinks is right for its viewers and has the power to omit whatever footage or content it wishes.
It gets confusing when we over react to censorship in fear of where it might lead, i myself always over react to any sort of censorship and tend to take the stance that it is up to the individual to personally censor what we watch and what we don't wish to watch, like porn for instance, i don't think it's up to me to decide what others should watch because i don't think they should watch it. And this is the point really, people on Twitter , Instagram and Facebook are ganging up together and trying to influence the government and film companies and music companies etc.
For instance if you think what Liam Neeson said recently is vile and disgusting then of course you have the right to not pay to see a film with him in it, but do you have a right to deny anyone access to every film he has ever been involved with, this is the fear, that censorship will go to far.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: March 28, 2019 11:54
Some of the debates within this thread have become a bit confused because not everybody has been talking about the same thing ...
...but also, as is often the case, because folks with radical views at either end of the spectrum tend to encourage rather exaggerated perceptions of reality.
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...but also, as is often the case, because folks with radical views at either end of the spectrum tend to encourage rather exaggerated perceptions of reality.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
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Date: March 28, 2019 12:10
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Spud
Some of the debates within this thread have become a bit confused because not everybody has been talking about the same thing ...
...but also, as is often the case, because folks with radical views at either end of the spectrum tend to encourage rather exaggerated perceptions of reality.
That's right Spud, i have actually learnt a lot about people throughout this thread, people including myself tend to intemperate things and twist them to apply to their own way of thinking, not understanding where other people are coming from. For instance some people are just reacting to the metoo movement, others are reacting to not being able to see the documentary, others are bringing politics into it, putting people into political boxes when its actually a much bigger picture that causes emotions to stir. I think fundamentally we all have a better understanding of each other, and i'm grateful to BV for allowing this discussion. Ok i'm out of this topic now, cheers and gone.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: March 28, 2019 20:26
Odd how Art sometimes imitates Life.
The Rock Dreams book published early 70's has a series of paintings of The Stones. One of the early ones is of the group plus Oldham with a bevvy of very young girls.
A later one has Keith in Pirate gear.
The Rock Dreams book published early 70's has a series of paintings of The Stones. One of the early ones is of the group plus Oldham with a bevvy of very young girls.
A later one has Keith in Pirate gear.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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Date: March 29, 2019 15:43
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In time I am sure this will get round to The Rolling Stones and other 60's and 70's bands in a more legacy damaging way.
There's plenty to crucify them about and much of it is not exactly hidden.
Regardless...
I love The Rolling Stones.
That's my worry, we are getting to a time where anything deemed incorrect will be censored, i can see a day in the not too distant future where it will be wrong for anyone to play this music based on the morel high ground of the likes of twitter facebook and Instagram.
We already have Mick changing the lyrics on certain songs, i wonder where it all ends up, the Stones are sexist sort of thing so must be censored etc etc.
People need to step up. Once again a small minority of loud lefties run things and decide what others can watch. The right wing needs a spokesman that we all stand behind. Boycott anyone that caters to the left wing mob. That will end this crap.
Fully agree.
Yes fully agree.
You guys are nuts, you want a leader to tell you that having sex with minors is totally fine???
And boycott anyone that thinks otherwise.
You are out of your mind.
Thank you for your voice of sanity Rebelhipi; this thread seems to expose a somewhat surprising support of criminal behaviour, in some, and certainly a backward-thinking ugliness that while sadly still exists is changing and will ultimately leave these types to the dustbin of history.
Another one does the same thing.
Again this on a Stones board is actually incredible. There is no doubt that you enjoy and listen to Wyman's art. What people like me are saying is the mob should not decide who can see or hear Wyman's art. Not sure why you can't grasp this.
Are you going to be okay if the mob decides that no more Wyman era Stones should be sold? The current mob is very dangerous and it needs to be challenged at every stop.
I think 40 something year old today who has sex with a 13 year old should be thrown in jail. I don't think we should go back and judge people from the past which is what this is.
I never said that, not sure why you can't grasp that. But I do disagree with you on your last point. It makes no difference in what is to happen now, but I'm surprised that anyone would feel a crime like that is ok once enough time has past. That's your opinion, I just think it's ugly, and that's my opinion.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
Cooltoplady
()
Date: March 29, 2019 16:01
A law was passed in NYS this year to prosecute clergy members for sexual acts on young kids that happened decades ago. There is no longer time limatation. Basically saying it was wrong when they did it and it’s wrong now.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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Date: March 29, 2019 16:05
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In time I am sure this will get round to The Rolling Stones and other 60's and 70's bands in a more legacy damaging way.
There's plenty to crucify them about and much of it is not exactly hidden.
Regardless...
I love The Rolling Stones.
That's my worry, we are getting to a time where anything deemed incorrect will be censored, i can see a day in the not too distant future where it will be wrong for anyone to play this music based on the morel high ground of the likes of twitter facebook and Instagram.
We already have Mick changing the lyrics on certain songs, i wonder where it all ends up, the Stones are sexist sort of thing so must be censored etc etc.
People need to step up. Once again a small minority of loud lefties run things and decide what others can watch. The right wing needs a spokesman that we all stand behind. Boycott anyone that caters to the left wing mob. That will end this crap.
Fully agree.
Yes fully agree.
You guys are nuts, you want a leader to tell you that having sex with minors is totally fine???
And boycott anyone that thinks otherwise.
You are out of your mind.
Thank you for your voice of sanity Rebelhipi; this thread seems to expose a somewhat surprising support of criminal behaviour, in some, and certainly a backward-thinking ugliness that while sadly still exists is changing and will ultimately leave these types to the dustbin of history.
Another one does the same thing.
Again this on a Stones board is actually incredible. There is no doubt that you enjoy and listen to Wyman's art. What people like me are saying is the mob should not decide who can see or hear Wyman's art. Not sure why you can't grasp this.
Are you going to be okay if the mob decides that no more Wyman era Stones should be sold? The current mob is very dangerous and it needs to be challenged at every stop.
I think 40 something year old today who has sex with a 13 year old should be thrown in jail. I don't think we should go back and judge people from the past which is what this is.
I never said that, not sure why you can't grasp that. But I do disagree with you on your last point. It makes no difference in what is to happen now, but I'm surprised that anyone would feel a crime like that is ok once enough time has past. That's your opinion, I just think it's ugly, and that's my opinion.
To stanlove, (sorry couldn't find the original post), I think, maybe one reason others are not agreeing with this last post of yours, is because they are blurred by more radical views. I don't see how anyone with sense could disagree with the body of your last post. I myself can not agree with the last sentence of your post. On the other hand I think you're right as rain on the other highlighted section.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: March 29, 2019 20:20
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Cooltoplady
A law was passed in NYS this year to prosecute clergy members for sexual acts on young kids that happened decades ago. There is no longer time limatation. Basically saying it was wrong when they did it and it’s wrong now.
Thank God Bill's not a clergy member in NYS.
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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: March 29, 2019 20:31
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Palace Revolution 2000
I think, maybe one reason others are not agreeing with this last post of yours, is because they are blurred by more radical views. I don't see how anyone with sense could disagree with the body of your last post. I myself can not agree with the last sentence of your post. On the other hand I think you're right as rain on the other highlighted section.
So, being in favour of equal rights is "blurred" by a "radical view"?
And "anyone with sense" agrees that equal rights is the opinion of a "mob"?
My my, this forum has become a true reflection of the current state of affairs in the world. A storm is threatning indeed.
Signed,
Don Corleone again.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
keithsman
()
Date: March 29, 2019 20:52
I didn't want to get drawn back to this thread but i have to say we have a fantastic judicial system in place in Britain that is there for woman like Mandy Smith, at any point in her life should she wish to take Bill to court or have him arrested she can , the ball has always been in her court, there isn't an injustice, there hasn't been an injustice. Mandy doesn't need a meetoo movement or help from anyone, we already have everything set up in place to help women like Mandy, had she wanted Bill to be prosecuted, she could have and still can. BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: March 30, 2019 00:40
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keithsman
I didn't want to get drawn back to this thread but i have to say we have a fantastic judicial system in place in Britain that is there for woman like Mandy Smith, at any point in her life should she wish to take Bill to court or have him arrested she can , the ball has always been in her court, there isn't an injustice, there hasn't been an injustice. Mandy doesn't need a meetoo movement or help from anyone, we already have everything set up in place to help women like Mandy, had she wanted Bill to be prosecuted, she could have and still can. BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
And I don't blame her.
Can you imagine what a media circus it might be.
What any defence lawyers might put her through.
The unwanted publicity to her own family ...she has a child I believe.
What people would have to say about her Mother.
And maybe out of respect for Bill's own teenage children.
And so on.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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treaclefingers
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Date: March 30, 2019 00:55
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Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
Posted by:
hopkins
()
Date: March 30, 2019 02:29
i love bill; it's long been my feeling that the little club band that was rollin' and getting people excited was that drum and bass thing.
i guess i need the doc thread sorry, truly no offense, i'll come back and copy paste delete but am jammed this minute and want to remember; on this upsetting and heartbeaking stuff i won't join the denial club for anyone or have less than compassion and love and inspiration to protect our mom, sisters, daughters with values that protect them oh shit i fkn don't know; if theres a crime that didn't get reported ten twenty thirty a hundred years ago good luck figuring out what the hell peeps angles are yesterday.
i guess i need the doc thread sorry, truly no offense, i'll come back and copy paste delete but am jammed this minute and want to remember; on this upsetting and heartbeaking stuff i won't join the denial club for anyone or have less than compassion and love and inspiration to protect our mom, sisters, daughters with values that protect them oh shit i fkn don't know; if theres a crime that didn't get reported ten twenty thirty a hundred years ago good luck figuring out what the hell peeps angles are yesterday.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
Posted by:
hopkins
()
Date: March 30, 2019 02:31
oh shit this WAS IS the doc thread. damn; i was confused about that in above post; and thought i had landed wrong; i guess the front page title didn't change; sigh; very sad to hurt each other walk away before you hurt anyone keep your dignityfor youself cause we can't congrol others changing perceptions; hell THey can't control em either...
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
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Date: March 30, 2019 09:45
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I didn't want to get drawn back to this thread but i have to say we have a fantastic judicial system in place in Britain that is there for woman like Mandy Smith, at any point in her life should she wish to take Bill to court or have him arrested she can , the ball has always been in her court, there isn't an injustice, there hasn't been an injustice. Mandy doesn't need a meetoo movement or help from anyone, we already have everything set up in place to help women like Mandy, had she wanted Bill to be prosecuted, she could have and still can. BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
And I don't blame her.
Can you imagine what a media circus it might be.
What any defence lawyers might put her through.
The unwanted publicity to her own family ...she has a child I believe.
What people would have to say about her Mother.
And maybe out of respect for Bill's own teenage children.
And so on.
Or Mandy thinks Bill showed her nothing but love and kindness, that maybe he thought i was 16 when we met, ( age of consent in UK ) that well we did get married when i was 18, he messed up but maybe since then Bill has apologized and tried to make it right, which of course he can't because that damage has been done and nothing can undo what has been done. That she doesn't hate him and want to send him to prison so his children miss the last few years of his life, that she doesn't want to shame her Mother either.
There is this other thing, it's called forgiveness, Mandy has a big heart i think and she has forgiven Bill many years ago and wants to move on, i think we on iorr should move on now.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
stanlove
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Date: March 30, 2019 19:02
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keithsman
I didn't want to get drawn back to this thread but i have to say we have a fantastic judicial system in place in Britain that is there for woman like Mandy Smith, at any point in her life should she wish to take Bill to court or have him arrested she can , the ball has always been in her court, there isn't an injustice, there hasn't been an injustice. Mandy doesn't need a meetoo movement or help from anyone, we already have everything set up in place to help women like Mandy, had she wanted Bill to be prosecuted, she could have and still can. BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO.
No statute of limitations? Maybe not a good system.
Good post. If Smith was saying she was abused by Wyman I would feel differently about this. It was a long time ago when things were different and the victim doesn't want to be seen as a victim. The mob is now telling people they have to be outraged by it and they have decided nobody should see it because they say so. That is how the mob works.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: March 31, 2019 03:58
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Aquamarine
Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
And none of that has anything to do with THE FILM ABOUT BILL. #metoo has never had anything to do with the film about Bill. Which sounds very interesting and I would like to see it.
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Date: March 31, 2019 04:03
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In time I am sure this will get round to The Rolling Stones and other 60's and 70's bands in a more legacy damaging way.
There's plenty to crucify them about and much of it is not exactly hidden.
Regardless...
I love The Rolling Stones.
That's my worry, we are getting to a time where anything deemed incorrect will be censored, i can see a day in the not too distant future where it will be wrong for anyone to play this music based on the morel high ground of the likes of twitter facebook and Instagram.
We already have Mick changing the lyrics on certain songs, i wonder where it all ends up, the Stones are sexist sort of thing so must be censored etc etc.
People need to step up. Once again a small minority of loud lefties run things and decide what others can watch. The right wing needs a spokesman that we all stand behind. Boycott anyone that caters to the left wing mob. That will end this crap.
Fully agree.
Yes fully agree.
You guys are nuts, you want a leader to tell you that having sex with minors is totally fine???
And boycott anyone that thinks otherwise.
You are out of your mind.
Thank you for your voice of sanity Rebelhipi; this thread seems to expose a somewhat surprising support of criminal behaviour, in some, and certainly a backward-thinking ugliness that while sadly still exists is changing and will ultimately leave these types to the dustbin of history.
Another one does the same thing.
Again this on a Stones board is actually incredible. There is no doubt that you enjoy and listen to Wyman's art. What people like me are saying is the mob should not decide who can see or hear Wyman's art. Not sure why you can't grasp this.
Are you going to be okay if the mob decides that no more Wyman era Stones should be sold? The current mob is very dangerous and it needs to be challenged at every stop.
I think 40 something year old today who has sex with a 13 year old should be thrown in jail. I don't think we should go back and judge people from the past which is what this is.
OK...so how young would they have to be for it to be a problem for you. 9, 8 years old, 7? If it's wrong...it's wrong, and illegal. We're not talking about this being ancient history.
The laws were in place when Wyman perpetrated. They just weren't enforced.
Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
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Date: March 31, 2019 04:30
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No statute of limitations? Maybe not a good system.
Don't forget that the US legal system does not apply in the UK.
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Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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Date: March 31, 2019 08:21
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In time I am sure this will get round to The Rolling Stones and other 60's and 70's bands in a more legacy damaging way.
There's plenty to crucify them about and much of it is not exactly hidden.
Regardless...
I love The Rolling Stones.
That's my worry, we are getting to a time where anything deemed incorrect will be censored, i can see a day in the not too distant future where it will be wrong for anyone to play this music based on the morel high ground of the likes of twitter facebook and Instagram.
We already have Mick changing the lyrics on certain songs, i wonder where it all ends up, the Stones are sexist sort of thing so must be censored etc etc.
People need to step up. Once again a small minority of loud lefties run things and decide what others can watch. The right wing needs a spokesman that we all stand behind. Boycott anyone that caters to the left wing mob. That will end this crap.
Fully agree.
Yes fully agree.
You guys are nuts, you want a leader to tell you that having sex with minors is totally fine???
And boycott anyone that thinks otherwise.
You are out of your mind.
Thank you for your voice of sanity Rebelhipi; this thread seems to expose a somewhat surprising support of criminal behaviour, in some, and certainly a backward-thinking ugliness that while sadly still exists is changing and will ultimately leave these types to the dustbin of history.
Another one does the same thing.
Again this on a Stones board is actually incredible. There is no doubt that you enjoy and listen to Wyman's art. What people like me are saying is the mob should not decide who can see or hear Wyman's art. Not sure why you can't grasp this.
Are you going to be okay if the mob decides that no more Wyman era Stones should be sold? The current mob is very dangerous and it needs to be challenged at every stop.
I think 40 something year old today who has sex with a 13 year old should be thrown in jail. I don't think we should go back and judge people from the past which is what this is.
OK...so how young would they have to be for it to be a problem for you. 9, 8 years old, 7? If it's wrong...it's wrong, and illegal. We're not talking about this being ancient history.
The laws were in place when Wyman perpetrated. They just weren't enforced.
Once again. Things were different back then and proof of it is the fact that it did not hurt his career at all at the time. Back then people only got in trouble is the 13 year old stepped up and claimed to be a victim. That did not happen here and i am sure most people did not think she was a victim. I am actually amazed that so many don't get it was a different time. It didn't hurt the career of Elvis either. Today many years later they would both be in jail. I don't honestly know why this has to be explained at this point.
Basically back then if the 13 year old and her family were okay with it than it was pretty much acceptable, That is the world that Wyman was living in at the time. It was right out in the open. I like today't rules better but I am not going back 40 decades to judge someone back then.
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Re: The Quiet One ~ documentary about Bill
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Date: March 31, 2019 08:26
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No statute of limitations? Maybe not a good system.
Don't forget that the US legal system does not apply in the UK.
I know but not a great system when people can cry rape 40 plus years later and put someone in jail.
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Date: March 31, 2019 08:31
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Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
This doesn't even make sense. Women are not sexually abusing men and getting a way with it and it amuses you? What are you talking about?
I am fine with treating men and women equally and not wanting to see any innocent person be tared or a guilty person get away with anything. I guess you just enjoy when men have the difficult time because of what other men did in the past. Again really sick.
I heard back from the poster who claimed ( made up ) that the metoo movement was hard on false accusations. I asked for some proof of that. We know at least 2 ( deep down we all know 3 ) of Brett Kavanaugh's accusers were lying and they even admitted it later on. I never heard a word from the Metoo movement other than the ridiculous argument that all women have to be believed.
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Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
This doesn't even make sense. Women are not sexually abusing men and getting a way with it and it amuses you? What are you talking about?
I am fine with treating men and women equally and not wanting to see any innocent person be tared or a guilty person get away with anything. I guess you just enjoy when men have the difficult time because of what other men did in the past. Again really sick.
I heard back from the poster who claimed ( made up ) that the metoo movement was hard on false accusations. I asked for some proof of that. We know at least 2 ( deep down we all know 3 ) of Brett Kavanaugh's accusers were lying and they even admitted it later on. I never heard a word from the Metoo movement other than the ridiculous argument that all women have to be believed.
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Date: March 31, 2019 08:53
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Politics does not enter into this, stanlove, but keep trying. It just amuses me to see guys frantically trying to deal with being put in the position women have always been in by default--until now, thankfully.
This doesn't even make sense. Women are not sexually abusing men and getting a way with it and it amuses you? What are you talking about?
I am fine with treating men and women equally and not wanting to see any innocent person be tared or a guilty person get away with anything. I guess you just enjoy when men have the difficult time because of what other men did in the past. Again really sick.
I heard back from the poster who claimed ( made up ) that the metoo movement was hard on false accusations. I asked for some proof of that. We know at least 2 ( deep down we all know 3 ) of Brett Kavanaugh's accusers were lying and they even admitted it later on. I never heard a word from the Metoo movement other than the ridiculous argument that all women have to be believed.
I know it doesn't make sense to you. That's kind of my point.
Bowing out of this one now. Have a good weekend.
Re: Wyman hit by "me too"
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Date: March 31, 2019 10:17
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I think, maybe one reason others are not agreeing with this last post of yours, is because they are blurred by more radical views. I don't see how anyone with sense could disagree with the body of your last post. I myself can not agree with the last sentence of your post. On the other hand I think you're right as rain on the other highlighted section.
So, being in favour of equal rights is "blurred" by a "radical view"?
And "anyone with sense" agrees that equal rights is the opinion of a "mob"?
My my, this forum has become a true reflection of the current state of affairs in the world. A storm is threatning indeed.
Signed,
Don Corleone again.
Do not make easy assumptions re. me, and my stance on anything. I tried understanding stanlove's POV, which is far removed from mine, w/o using cute , easy rhetoric.
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