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And this is another thread that needs to be closed, nearly 700 pages of speculative rubbish - in the absence of anything concrete from the band !
Here are two options:
Ignore the thread
Start your own fan site
You forgot the third ....
Stay right here and comment as one sees fit ! OK with you Sir ?
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Taylor Swift announced today the release of her album 1989 for 10/26 and it will be the release of the year, already in less than 12 hours it sold 140,000 copies in pre-sale only in the United States, so:
1- The Stones album will not come out on 10/26 or 11/03, with such high sales in the first 2 weeks, the Stones album (and any other release) does not have the slightest chance and will be totally overshadowed
2- In order for it to come out earlier, like 10/20, it has to be announced next week at the latest, if there are no news we are going to launch for 11/17 or 11/24 at the earliest, seeing the timeline of announcement and release of albums today.
No disrespect intended to Soldatti, but they are not the same markets at all. The Stones having a quick #2 debut before the album drops like a lead balloon on the charts is probably the best Polydor and Interscope are expecting anyway. I would imagine if they have a release date earmarked, competition from the biggest pop star in the world isn't a consideration.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to shoot for a No. 1 debut. If they find the right landing spot, it could happen.
Of course, they also want to maximize sales — which means not dropping it in August.
As I speculated above, if we don’t hear something by Labor Day, that would indicate to me that they’re waiting until next year.
I work as a buyer in a big record store (maybe biggest in Australasia). Unfortunately imo when/if the new album is released it has no chance of hitting #1. The Stones are largely irrelevant, we don't sell much of their stuff new anymore and in some cases the newer releases (Grr Live, Licked in NYC etc) I have had to mark down to move them.
Now an album of new tunes is certainly a different proposition to yet another live album, but the longer time goes on, the returns are becoming more and more diminishing. Younger people simply don't care or don't know about the Stones.
They have faded into irrelevancy and as much as I love them are now just one of many nostalgia acts resting on their laurels. Maybe if their had been more of an effort to release new music over the years since ABB it would be different but 18 years is an eternity.
Sadly true! An articulate and erudite summary of the realities that now obtain where The Stones, and specifically the 'new' album, are concerned. I'm using quotation marks because it no longer feels new. Even to me, and I am a lifelong, and passionate Stones fan. The endless faffing about. The endless rumours. The endless hints and leaks. The endless teasing and tantalising. It really is extraordinarily unnecessary.
The new album will sell to dyed-in-the-wool Stones fans. And to very few other people. The hordes that attend their concerts simply don't buy Stones albums. In any form. Except Hot Rocks of course. Because the concert goes only want to hear the warhorses. And most of them own them already. Many times over in some cases. So it does not matter, one iota, when the thing is released. At least not in a sales sense. So get it out there for Heaven's sake. We have waited long enough.
I'm tempted to suggest that The Stones might like to show a wee bit of understanding and respect to their die hard fans. Do they owe us anything? Opinions will vary. and many will say they do not. I disagree, but gently. I have no wish to be inappropriate, disrespectful, or act with a sense of entitlement, However, sixty years, and counting, of fanship, expenditure, love and impassioned support should count for SOMETHING.
Surely?
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I was honestly surprised that Blue & Lonesome was such a success, I certainly hadn't expected that and wouldn't know what factor(s) to attribute it to. Yet I am somewhat hesitant to expect similar success with the new album. But who knows.
BTW, we hit page 700 now ...
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Blue & Lonesome was a #1 album in the UK though, I'm sure an album of new material will be #1 for all that's still worth.
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Big Al
Could the success of Blue & Lonesome be partly due to a sense that they’re a little more en vogue these day’s? I’ve often felt that, over the last decade, there’s been a growing nostalgia and recognition for and of the Stones. This - in my opinion - wasn’t quite there for the releases of Bridges to Babylon and A Bigger Bang. I think that their 50th anniversary was a turning-point in their popularity, personally.
In a nutshell: I think the Rolling Stones are more popular now, than they were in the mid-2000’s.
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Third is fine with me. I think most of us agree.
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Blue & Lonesome was a #1 album in the UK though, I'm sure an album of new material will be #1 for all that's still worth.
It all depends on the week of release and the competition, in England it is easier to be #1 but in the United States any rapper throws you an album out of the blue with 25 songs on streaming and leaves you out of the race.
B&L moved 123,000 during the first week in the US, a very good number, but between Christmas records and various rappers it didn't go above #4 on the chart.
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Blue & Lonesome was a #1 album in the UK though, I'm sure an album of new material will be #1 for all that's still worth.
It all depends on the week of release and the competition, in England it is easier to be #1 but in the United States any rapper throws you an album out of the blue with 25 songs on streaming and leaves you out of the race.
B&L moved 123,000 during the first week in the US, a very good number, but between Christmas records and various rappers it didn't go above #4 on the chart.
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It could be like Barbenheimer: the release of Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones new albums in the same week. Fans should listen to both albums back to back. #rollingswift a new viral theme.
Indeed an interesting turn of events in this never ending saga aka the making of the new Stones album...
It seems that either the Stones have to sit it out while Taylor Swift dominates the world, or they attempt a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the Swift onslaught....
The Stones might have done themselves a favor by having Taylor Swift as a special guest on their new album - it could have given them a fighting chance in the charts. If you can't beat 'em, have them join your band.
I'd bet that all the T.Swift fans who are sweeping up her new album would have also picked up the new Stones album just to hear her contribution (s). As a bonus. they might have also become lifelong Stones fans!
As noted earlier, Taylor Swift has performed with The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger has performed with Taylor Swift. Seems it would have been a win-win situation for both, but even more so for the Stones.
As it stands, it appears the Stones are playing second fiddle to Taylor Swift, and I'm not sure waiting a week or two before or after her release will make much of a difference anyways in the current music climate.
Whatever the case, now back to waiting and wondering what will happen next as the world turns around Taylor Swift.
Hopefully an announcement for the new Stones album next week, otherwise who know what other detours lie ahead.
#rollingswift...
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Posterity will remember that a former Beatle played on the Stones last studio album (with original material).
And they wrote their first song (I Wanna Be Your Man)
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Taylor Swift announced today the release of her album 1989 for 10/26 and it will be the release of the year, already in less than 12 hours it sold 140,000 copies in pre-sale only in the United States, so:
1- The Stones album will not come out on 10/26 or 11/03, with such high sales in the first 2 weeks, the Stones album (and any other release) does not have the slightest chance and will be totally overshadowed
2- In order for it to come out earlier, like 10/20, it has to be announced next week at the latest, if there are no news we are going to launch for 11/17 or 11/24 at the earliest, seeing the timeline of announcement and release of albums today.
No disrespect intended to Soldatti, but they are not the same markets at all. The Stones having a quick #2 debut before the album drops like a lead balloon on the charts is probably the best Polydor and Interscope are expecting anyway. I would imagine if they have a release date earmarked, competition from the biggest pop star in the world isn't a consideration.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to shoot for a No. 1 debut. If they find the right landing spot, it could happen.
Of course, they also want to maximize sales — which means not dropping it in August.
As I speculated above, if we don’t hear something by Labor Day, that would indicate to me that they’re waiting until next year.
I work as a buyer in a big record store (maybe biggest in Australasia). Unfortunately imo when/if the new album is released it has no chance of hitting #1. The Stones are largely irrelevant, we don't sell much of their stuff new anymore and in some cases the newer releases (Grr Live, Licked in NYC etc) I have had to mark down to move them.
Now an album of new tunes is certainly a different proposition to yet another live album, but the longer time goes on, the returns are becoming more and more diminishing. Younger people simply don't care or don't know about the Stones.
They have faded into irrelevancy and as much as I love them are now just one of many nostalgia acts resting on their laurels. Maybe if their had been more of an effort to release new music over the years since ABB it would be different but 18 years is an eternity.
Sadly true! An articulate and erudite summary of the realities that now obtain where The Stones, and specifically the 'new' album, are concerned. I'm using quotation marks because it no longer feels new. Even to me, and I am a lifelong, and passionate Stones fan. The endless faffing about. The endless rumours. The endless hints and leaks. The endless teasing and tantalising. It really is extraordinarily unnecessary.
The new album will sell to dyed-in-the-wool Stones fans. And to very few other people. The hordes that attend their concerts simply don't buy Stones albums. In any form. Except Hot Rocks of course. Because the concert goes only want to hear the warhorses. And most of them own them already. Many times over in some cases. So it does not matter, one iota, when the thing is released. At least not in a sales sense. So get it out there for Heaven's sake. We have waited long enough.
I'm tempted to suggest that The Stones might like to show a wee bit of understanding and respect to their die hard fans. Do they owe us anything? Opinions will vary. and many will say they do not. I disagree, but gently. I have no wish to be inappropriate, disrespectful, or act with a sense of entitlement, However, sixty years, and counting, of fanship, expenditure, love and impassioned support should count for SOMETHING.
Surely?
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Blue & Lonesome was a #1 album in the UK though, I'm sure an album of new material will be #1 for all that's still worth.
It all depends on the week of release and the competition, in England it is easier to be #1 but in the United States any rapper throws you an album out of the blue with 25 songs on streaming and leaves you out of the race.
B&L moved 123,000 during the first week in the US, a very good number, but between Christmas records and various rappers it didn't go above #4 on the chart.
When I was a teenager in the late1980s, no guy in my school would go to a Taylor Swift Concert.They’d get beat up.It was the Stones, U2, Allman Brothers, Van Halen, Guns and Roses.Ithink she has a huge following of females of all agesQuote
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It could be like Barbenheimer: the release of Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones new albums in the same week. Fans should listen to both albums back to back. #rollingswift a new viral theme.
Indeed an interesting turn of events in this never ending saga aka the making of the new Stones album...
It seems that either the Stones have to sit it out while Taylor Swift dominates the world, or they attempt a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the Swift onslaught....
The Stones might have done themselves a favor by having Taylor Swift as a special guest on their new album - it could have given them a fighting chance in the charts. If you can't beat 'em, have them join your band.
I'd bet that all the T.Swift fans who are sweeping up her new album would have also picked up the new Stones album just to hear her contribution (s). As a bonus. they might have also become lifelong Stones fans!
As noted earlier, Taylor Swift has performed with The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger has performed with Taylor Swift. Seems it would have been a win-win situation for both, but even more so for the Stones.
As it stands, it appears the Stones are playing second fiddle to Taylor Swift, and I'm not sure waiting a week or two before or after her release will make much of a difference anyways in the current music climate.
Whatever the case, now back to waiting and wondering what will happen next as the world turns around Taylor Swift.
Hopefully an announcement for the new Stones album next week, otherwise who know what other detours lie ahead.
#rollingswift...
This is truly Taylor Swift's moment. A cultural mega-phenomenon. Check this out:Taylor Swift Unites America
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It could be like Barbenheimer: the release of Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones new albums in the same week. Fans should listen to both albums back to back. #rollingswift a new viral theme.
Indeed an interesting turn of events in this never ending saga aka the making of the new Stones album...
It seems that either the Stones have to sit it out while Taylor Swift dominates the world, or they attempt a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the Swift onslaught....
The Stones might have done themselves a favor by having Taylor Swift as a special guest on their new album - it could have given them a fighting chance in the charts. If you can't beat 'em, have them join your band.
I'd bet that all the T.Swift fans who are sweeping up her new album would have also picked up the new Stones album just to hear her contribution (s). As a bonus. they might have also become lifelong Stones fans!
As noted earlier, Taylor Swift has performed with The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger has performed with Taylor Swift. Seems it would have been a win-win situation for both, but even more so for the Stones.
As it stands, it appears the Stones are playing second fiddle to Taylor Swift, and I'm not sure waiting a week or two before or after her release will make much of a difference anyways in the current music climate.
Whatever the case, now back to waiting and wondering what will happen next as the world turns around Taylor Swift.
Hopefully an announcement for the new Stones album next week, otherwise who know what other detours lie ahead.
#rollingswift...
This is truly Taylor Swift's moment. A cultural mega-phenomenon. Check this out:Taylor Swift Unites America
Drew
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Taylor Swift announced today the release of her album 1989 for 10/26 and it will be the release of the year, already in less than 12 hours it sold 140,000 copies in pre-sale only in the United States, so:
1- The Stones album will not come out on 10/26 or 11/03, with such high sales in the first 2 weeks, the Stones album (and any other release) does not have the slightest chance and will be totally overshadowed
2- In order for it to come out earlier, like 10/20, it has to be announced next week at the latest, if there are no news we are going to launch for 11/17 or 11/24 at the earliest, seeing the timeline of announcement and release of albums today.
No disrespect intended to Soldatti, but they are not the same markets at all. The Stones having a quick #2 debut before the album drops like a lead balloon on the charts is probably the best Polydor and Interscope are expecting anyway. I would imagine if they have a release date earmarked, competition from the biggest pop star in the world isn't a consideration.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to shoot for a No. 1 debut. If they find the right landing spot, it could happen.
Of course, they also want to maximize sales — which means not dropping it in August.
As I speculated above, if we don’t hear something by Labor Day, that would indicate to me that they’re waiting until next year.
I work as a buyer in a big record store (maybe biggest in Australasia). Unfortunately imo when/if the new album is released it has no chance of hitting #1. The Stones are largely irrelevant, we don't sell much of their stuff new anymore and in some cases the newer releases (Grr Live, Licked in NYC etc) I have had to mark down to move them.
Now an album of new tunes is certainly a different proposition to yet another live album, but the longer time goes on, the returns are becoming more and more diminishing. Younger people simply don't care or don't know about the Stones.
They have faded into irrelevancy and as much as I love them are now just one of many nostalgia acts resting on their laurels. Maybe if their had been more of an effort to release new music over the years since ABB it would be different but 18 years is an eternity.
Sadly true! An articulate and erudite summary of the realities that now obtain where The Stones, and specifically the 'new' album, are concerned. I'm using quotation marks because it no longer feels new. Even to me, and I am a lifelong, and passionate Stones fan. The endless faffing about. The endless rumours. The endless hints and leaks. The endless teasing and tantalising. It really is extraordinarily unnecessary.
The new album will sell to dyed-in-the-wool Stones fans. And to very few other people. The hordes that attend their concerts simply don't buy Stones albums. In any form. Except Hot Rocks of course. Because the concert goes only want to hear the warhorses. And most of them own them already. Many times over in some cases. So it does not matter, one iota, when the thing is released. At least not in a sales sense. So get it out there for Heaven's sake. We have waited long enough.
I'm tempted to suggest that The Stones might like to show a wee bit of understanding and respect to their die hard fans. Do they owe us anything? Opinions will vary. and many will say they do not. I disagree, but gently. I have no wish to be inappropriate, disrespectful, or act with a sense of entitlement, However, sixty years, and counting, of fanship, expenditure, love and impassioned support should count for SOMETHING.
Surely?
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Taylor1When I was a teenager in the late1980s, no guy in my school would go to a Taylor Swift Concert.They’d get beat up.It was the Stones, U2, Allman Brothers, Van Halen, Guns and Roses.Ithink she has a huge following of females of all agesQuote
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It could be like Barbenheimer: the release of Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones new albums in the same week. Fans should listen to both albums back to back. #rollingswift a new viral theme.
Indeed an interesting turn of events in this never ending saga aka the making of the new Stones album...
It seems that either the Stones have to sit it out while Taylor Swift dominates the world, or they attempt a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the Swift onslaught....
The Stones might have done themselves a favor by having Taylor Swift as a special guest on their new album - it could have given them a fighting chance in the charts. If you can't beat 'em, have them join your band.
I'd bet that all the T.Swift fans who are sweeping up her new album would have also picked up the new Stones album just to hear her contribution (s). As a bonus. they might have also become lifelong Stones fans!
As noted earlier, Taylor Swift has performed with The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger has performed with Taylor Swift. Seems it would have been a win-win situation for both, but even more so for the Stones.
As it stands, it appears the Stones are playing second fiddle to Taylor Swift, and I'm not sure waiting a week or two before or after her release will make much of a difference anyways in the current music climate.
Whatever the case, now back to waiting and wondering what will happen next as the world turns around Taylor Swift.
Hopefully an announcement for the new Stones album next week, otherwise who know what other detours lie ahead.
#rollingswift...
This is truly Taylor Swift's moment. A cultural mega-phenomenon. Check this out:Taylor Swift Unites America
Drew
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It could be like Barbenheimer: the release of Taylor Swift and the Rolling Stones new albums in the same week. Fans should listen to both albums back to back. #rollingswift a new viral theme.
Indeed an interesting turn of events in this never ending saga aka the making of the new Stones album...
It seems that either the Stones have to sit it out while Taylor Swift dominates the world, or they attempt a preemptive strike to soften the blow from the Swift onslaught....
The Stones might have done themselves a favor by having Taylor Swift as a special guest on their new album - it could have given them a fighting chance in the charts. If you can't beat 'em, have them join your band.
I'd bet that all the T.Swift fans who are sweeping up her new album would have also picked up the new Stones album just to hear her contribution (s). As a bonus. they might have also become lifelong Stones fans!
As noted earlier, Taylor Swift has performed with The Rolling Stones and Mick Jagger has performed with Taylor Swift. Seems it would have been a win-win situation for both, but even more so for the Stones.
As it stands, it appears the Stones are playing second fiddle to Taylor Swift, and I'm not sure waiting a week or two before or after her release will make much of a difference anyways in the current music climate.
Whatever the case, now back to waiting and wondering what will happen next as the world turns around Taylor Swift.
Hopefully an announcement for the new Stones album next week, otherwise who know what other detours lie ahead.
#rollingswift...
This is truly Taylor Swift's moment. A cultural mega-phenomenon. Check this out:Taylor Swift Unites America
Drew
i assure you she has a very large following amongst teenage boys and young men as well
at least that's what i've observed