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Doxa
Yeah, technically they started the project already in 2015, but seemingly along the way it looks like that they aborted the whole thing, and started from the scratch again (like Charlie once wondered 'what happened to that album', and there were along the years all those stories about Mick's 40 demos, Keith's three dynamite riffs, different mixes, artistic quarrels about the direction of the album, listening sessions, etc). Probably the success of BLUE & LONESOME 'bought' them more time (at least made their record company happy). So the new album looks like deriving from the sessions from 2019 on. They have the luxury to not release anything if they feel like they are not satisfied with the quality.
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Doxa
The biggest difference seems to have happened in Mick's attitude. He was the man once so worried about meeting the deadlines, but now he doesn't seem to give a shit...
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Doxa
Yeah, technically they started the project already in 2015, but seemingly along the way it looks like that they aborted the whole thing, and started from the scratch again (like Charlie once wondered 'what happened to that album', and there were along the years all those stories about Mick's 40 demos, Keith's three dynamite riffs, different mixes, artistic quarrels about the direction of the album, listening sessions, etc). Probably the success of BLUE & LONESOME 'bought' them more time (at least made their record company happy). So the new album looks like deriving from the sessions from 2019 on. They have the luxury to not release anything if they feel like they are not satisfied with the quality.
That's an interesting thought that they scrapped most of everything they did earlier and started afresh in 2019. If this is indeed the case it would be interesting to compare the earlier material with the more recent stuff. Only chance then either another rarities album or another leak.
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GerardHennessy
Doxa
The biggest difference seems to have happened in Mick's attitude. He was the man once so worried about meeting the deadlines, but now he doesn't seem to give a shit...
Absolutely! He really doesn't care anymore. The band have a viable, financially lucrative business model, and can roll up to a football stadium anywhere willing to pay them, and be adored for cranking out the same setlist ad nauseum.
Given all of that, why bother with a new album? Keep energy in reserve for the next leg of the never-ending tour. Work new people into what is left of the band. Rest on past glories. Excavate the vaults for unreleased material, both live and studio based, and issue it in various configurations, to keep the serious collectors happy. Make lots and lots of money along the way!
Yep! New album! What new album? Who needs a new album?
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Doxa
But let me still add my own opinion that I think Mick (and Keith too) are best when there is an outer pressure. They probably never been that 'purely' artistic-minded guys, but more like guys who love the challenge and are able to arise to the occasion and do their best when there is a real reason to do something (lazybones otherwise). Just to think of it: they even started making own songs from an outer pressure, not something stemming out of their inner soul naturally, like their inner muse forcing them to create something (like Keith has said, that even not had occurred to him before Andrew started demanding that - pointing out that if they want to have a career in the business, one cannot do covers for good. Besides the big money is on song-writing...). Are there any other major song-writers born under similar circumstances? This is not criticism - I think that is awesome, and just tells how incredible and unique talents those two are!
- Doxa
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Hairball
Think of all the time spent (some would say wasted) adding new parts and tinkering with all the bonus tracks on the various deluxe releases.
While a few have been somewhat interesting, most were actually better pre-ovedub, and in the end none of those extra tracks have added anything to the legacy.
Similar to the Beatles' Free as a Bird and Real Love experiments...adding new parts to Lennon demos many years after the fact...interesting in a freak show way, but in the end forgettable.
It's one thing to work on some unfinished tunes that have been around for maybe 10 years or so, but when you start adding overdubs to leftover junk from 40 years ago it seems they're grasping at straws.
And then there's the time spent (wasted) on various solo tunes in recent years. Aside from a few diehards (very few), nobody cares about any of those releases, and ultimately they've all been forgotten.
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Stoneage
New acts need new music, to evolve and score new hits. To build a career. Old acts don't need new albums. They already made it. The big money is in touring for them. Their future is behind them.
It's like sowing and reaping. The Stones sowing period ended in the late 70s. Since then it has been all about reaping.
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Doxa
But let me still add my own opinion that I think Mick (and Keith too) are best when there is an outer pressure. They probably never been that 'purely' artistic-minded guys, but more like guys who love the challenge and are able to arise to the occasion and do their best when there is a real reason to do something (lazybones otherwise). Just to think of it: they even started making own songs from an outer pressure, not something stemming out of their inner soul naturally, like their inner muse forcing them to create something (like Keith has said, that even not had occurred to him before Andrew started demanding that - pointing out that if they want to have a career in the business, one cannot do covers for good. Besides the big money is on song-writing...). Are there any other major song-writers born under similar circumstances? This is not criticism - I think that is awesome, and just tells how incredible and unique talents those two are!
- Doxa
It could be argued that their survival counted on new material and inventive album/single artwork, ie artistic drive, arguably starting with BEGGARS and basically ending after UNDERCOVER. I say U because of the amount of work they put into videos and remixes, which happened after they'd signed to CBS Records with the album completed. After that... there was only the pressure of CBS to release something, and they only got one decent release out of them in regard to the 3 they did get.
Mick is the one that said back whenever, 6 years ago, that it's about time the Stones release a new album. Apparently internal pressure is non-existent.
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Stoneage
New acts need new music, to evolve and score new hits. To build a career. Old acts don't need new albums. They already made it. The big money is in touring for them. Their future is behind them.
It's like sowing and reaping. The Stones sowing period ended in the late 70s. Since then it has been all about reaping.
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bye bye johnny
Keith tells Marc Maron the recent week in Jamaica with Mick and Steve Jordan was "pretty prolific".
[www.wtfpod.com]
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bye bye johnny
Keith tells Marc Maron the recent week in Jamaica with Mick and Steve Jordan was "pretty prolific".
[www.wtfpod.com]
Thx for sharing. Just heard that part by the minute 33:18
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bye bye johnny
Keith tells Marc Maron the recent week in Jamaica with Mick and Steve Jordan was "pretty prolific".
[www.wtfpod.com]
Thx for sharing. Just heard that part by the minute 33:18
It was not too long ago that Keith was saying "being prolific don't mean shit" in regards to Mick's 40 demos....
And wondering if "those three dynamite riffs" of his he talked about back then are still relevant to the supposed new album plan, and has he added anything new since then?
Having been focused on the Winos and Main Offender rerelease recently, and the fact he said in this interview he was playing mostly bass in Jamaica, not sure what to think of it all.
The interviewer did say the record might come out after the tour, and Keith himself said somewhere else they might think about it after the tour...so...still a long ways to go....
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bye bye johnny
Keith tells Marc Maron the recent week in Jamaica with Mick and Steve Jordan was "pretty prolific".
[www.wtfpod.com]
Thx for sharing. Just heard that part by the minute 33:18
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gotdablouse
Keith's comment to Mojo about the new album...same old, same old !