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gotdablouse
That "Time's Up" song sounds more remarkable than anything a Stone has come up with since..hum some songs on "Wandering Spirit" maybe, at least the title track. B2B had a couple of lasting tracks too, ABB ? None if anyone's honest about it.
My mistake. The title of the track was "Time Flies." My brain skipped to the second Living Colour album that Mick played on and confused the titles.
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Hairball
I brought this up before in this thread, but there was a quote from Mick on Timisonourside.com (forget the exact date of quote, but probably a couple of decades ago) - to paraphrase:
"Keith can be difficult in the studio just for the sake of being difficult. He might actually like something, but his stubbornness gets in the way".
So seems Keith can be a stubborn old jerk, and thats probably why Mick went ahead with Getta Grip/England Lost with Charlie and Ronnie in tow.
Where does this leave Keith? A grumpy and lonely old mean-spirited little man whose unwilling to collaborate even if it's for the good of the band.
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I have a thing that I just want them to put out a new original album within every decade they are together. There is still 13 months to go. If they survive into 2020 I won't hope for another album but I will be hoping they make it to 60 years in May 2022. That's only 3 & 1/2 years away.
What's amazing to realize is as long as I've been alive (I'll be 50 next May) The Rolling Stones have been together. I have not lived a single day without this band existing. People have lived entire lives while they've been together. My brother is six years older than me. He was conceived in October 1962. The Stones had gotten together five months before. Part of my interest with them is how long they will last.
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I don't know what it is about you Rocky, but you have an ease, and flow that eludes the rest of us here.
This has been frustrating for all of us. Ronnie slipped, as he often does, and acknowledged he's joining Mick in the studio in Paris "next week" (which could be this week, depending when the interview was done).
Keith says the December session isn't likely to happen, but maybe February and March. Perhaps it's a matter of Keith won't be there because he doesn't like what's on tap. Darryl missed the session last week when Bernard was in the studio, but intends to be there this week/next week which is likewise interesting.
The most revealing comment Mick has made is "you think you've written something very good and then realize you haven't." I don't believe he or Keith have writer's block. I do believe there is an ongoing situation like we saw last year where Keith says of Mick and Matt's songs, "they ain't Stones songs, if you want to put them out, put them out on your own and the bugger went and did it."
It appears Mick will visit Keith in the studio periodically after working on his own or with Matt. Don Was is sometimes present and sometimes not, likely based on his opinion of the demos. Don, Keith, and Mick say it's "early days yet" despite Universal thinking they had an album just needing final touches. Ronnie and Charlie plead ignorance and suggest they thought the album was done ages ago. Matt Clifford and Steve Jordan are largely the creative equivalent of sex surrogates in the Jagger-Richards marriage.
It would appear, purely speculation on my part, that the problem is whether or not Keith thinks Mick's songs are Stones-worthy or not. When Keith didn't and Mick released a solo single, Ronnie and Charlie still played on the tracks. Friendship? Loyalty? Divided opinions? Your guess is as good as mine. Matt produced and wrote the two tracks. Not Keith. No Don Was credit either. There seems to be a Keith and Don Was alignment on this album which is interesting, if not very productive.
If my speculation is correct, there will be fans who blame Keith for being the bottleneck and fans who blame Mick for chasing trends or daring to experiment. Would I rather wait for them to "get it right?" No, I'd rather have Jagger-Clifford songs packaged as Jagger-Richards for the sake of it and like some of the tracks and dislike others and bitch and moan on iorr for months or years than I would risk having more material stay locked up in the vault. I would also rather have 19 mediocre and poor songs I complain about than 10 pretty good songs and always wonder what else they recorded. I am a fan. I am not Quality Control. I want it all even when I don't like it.
As for the State of the Union, Keith either turns up or it looks like he and maybe Don are the no-shows as the album moves forward. Not World War III, but likely a Cold War. Glad Mick hasn't thrown in the towel and just said forget it. I look forward to the results with interest, but suspect GeorgeLicks' (Soldatti's) next update won't be a good one. Bjornulf had a reason to remove the "sticky" from the thread, but was too much of a gentleman to disclose what he knew.
Happily, I am lacking in manners as much as I am brevity.
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corriecas
@#$%& the new album stuff. Dont believe in it anymore. They will keep on touring till one if them dies or gets sick. Maybe in 2030 we will get some new music. I will be dead then.
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corriecas
@#$%& the new album stuff. Dont believe in it anymore. They will keep on touring till one if them dies or gets sick. Maybe in 2030 we will get some new music. I will be dead then.
Jeroen
Well, quite true really.
They are only following the likes of Chuck Berry and the 1950's rockers. Chuck by and large gave up on recording any original stuff for the last half of his career (at least The Stones have been more productive than that).
Chuck still toured of course...more concerts than The Stones...but clearly concert receipts were more important to him than any effort at being creative in the studio.
Sounds familiar eh?
Thank God we have the likes of Van Morrison, Macca, Springsteen, all of whom are able to come up with new work.
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daniel t
Personnally, I don't believe in those guys breaking their backs creating new stuff...
Why would they do that? As long as we buy tickets to see and hear them playing the same od 19 songs, I don't see the point in getting a new album on the market. Especially knowing that when they sell a $55.00 t-shirt and make 25 times more profit with it than by selling an album.....
C'mon... Let's be serous. I would do the same.
Except...
David Crosby
Neil Young etc
who are all prolific and putting out albums (which in the main) the fans are happy with.
And still touring.
BB King: was making albums till (near) the end...Muddy Waters..probably the same.
So you can't generalise.
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corriecas
Ronnie seems to be in London, and not in Paris.
You wonder...what will happen with the booked studio time???
Maybe they will be in the studio next week????
jeroen
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@#$%& the new album stuff. Dont believe in it anymore. They will keep on touring till one if them dies or gets sick.
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retired_dog
b) they're constantly record material over the years because by now, the end of their touring years is (very) near and by now, they know it. Keith's interview quote "next tour could be the last one, I don't know" or the like does indeed sound very different from the joyous mood of the "we tour until we die"-attitude he came up with until now.
Once the touring days will be finally over, having one or two album's worth of material in the can does probably make more commercial sense than putting out the stuff now while they still generate a considerable income from playing live.
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CamRS
After following this thread and all of the opinions and speculation that is going into the making of this album, I thought why not add more?
As noted by bv, georgelicks and others, the band seems determined to make a great album. As this is probably the last statement they’ll make, I’m sure Mick and Keith are putting immense pressure on themselves to come up with great material. The surprising success of Blue and Lonesome has probably only added to that pressure.
Someone else on this board also noted that the band decided all must agree on the songs this time around. So while something like Gotta Get a Grip/England Lost may have made it onto an album in the past, this time around Keith (who’s never been a fan of overtly political songs) vetoed the two. Why does it matter that Charlie and Ronnie participated in it and not Keith? I really don’t think these two songs have created some wedge between Mick and Keith as others have speculated.
As far as their creative process, I’m not really going to critique the way the Glimmers come up with their songs. Creative people have their thing that works for them and theirs have evolved over the years. However, with the passing of Anita, L’Wrens suicide, getting old and losing people around over the last few years, there’s a lot of inspiration around them to write some really meaningful songs that I hope they’re using.
I’m looking forward to whatever new songs they come up, no matter how long it takes for them to release it.
-Cam
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corriecas
Ronnie seems to be in London, and not in Paris.
You wonder...what will happen with the booked studio time???
Maybe they will be in the studio next week????
jeroen
What do people expect them to achieve in a week, they've done sod all in three years, Christmas is coming, don't hold your breath for anything substantial.
I'm not entirely sure Mick hasn't got writers block, it's not looking good is it, why will he not stand toe to toe with Keith and create new spontaneous music ? because he cant't.
I said three years ago Mick will be intimidated by Crosseyed Heart and i was right.
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corriecas
Ronnie seems to be in London, and not in Paris.
You wonder...what will happen with the booked studio time???
Maybe they will be in the studio next week????
jeroen
What do people expect them to achieve in a week, they've done sod all in three years, Christmas is coming, don't hold your breath for anything substantial.
I'm not entirely sure Mick hasn't got writers block, it's not looking good is it, why will he not stand toe to toe with Keith and create new spontaneous music ? because he cant't.
I said three years ago Mick will be intimidated by Crosseyed Heart and i was right.
I really wonder what makes you so sure here. What if they tried numerous times in the past decades and it simply does not "click" anymore like in their best days as a songwriter team? Say about Mick what you want, but he surely is no idiot. If this "gathering with Keith and creating spontaneous music" working method would still work and constantly generate quality Stones material, Mick would not be so silly or at least stubborn to discard a winning formula.
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Until 2015, one could easily make (and many did) the same argument about Keith. Look at the proof? Last solo album in 1992. Can only come up with a couple of lounge numbers. Last solo outings post-Winos only produced two cover versions ("Still a Fool" and "You Win Again") with Rob Fraboni on record stating those were the only two songs that were cut. The guy lost it. Didn't play guitar for months at a time. Crippled up with arthritis. Wasted on booze and coke. He was spent. Couldn't write a song if his life depended on it.
It wasn't true about Keith. I suspect it's not true about Mick. Doesn't change the fact that they're miles apart and the chemistry likely isn't there between them any more.