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wonderboy
Great interview. Reading that back in about 1980 was one of the first things that got me to realizing Keith was one bright man with a lot of things to say. That's a pretty even-handed analysis, imo -- a lot of things went down, a lot of chaos with the crowd, the management of the tour, the Angels being Angels which is a very menacing outfit.
I don't know how much of it was on the Stones; certainly they learned from it. Keith doesn't go into that, because this was still fresh and because he doesn't very often take the rap for most things.
I love that era when rock journalism was a niche thing and fans like me could seek out those things. If an interview like this was posted today it would be all over the internet and so people today eventually stop talking freely.
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It's off the Altamont subject, but my favorite bit of this interview is the last bit about the Stones meeting the mayor's daughter in 1966 because she won a prize and hanging out with the mayor and his daughter. It would be a great story to track down that girl and get her memories.
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wonderboy
Great interview. Reading that back in about 1980 was one of the first things that got me to realizing Keith was one bright man with a lot of things to say. That's a pretty even-handed analysis, imo -- a lot of things went down, a lot of chaos with the crowd, the management of the tour, the Angels being Angels which is a very menacing outfit.
I don't know how much of it was on the Stones; certainly they learned from it. Keith doesn't go into that, because this was still fresh and because he doesn't very often take the rap for most things.
I love that era when rock journalism was a niche thing and fans like me could seek out those things. If an interview like this was posted today it would be all over the internet and so people today eventually stop talking freely.
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It's off the Altamont subject, but my favorite bit of this interview is the last bit about the Stones meeting the mayor's daughter in 1966 because she won a prize and hanging out with the mayor and his daughter. It would be a great story to track down that girl and get her memories.
Dear Mr. slakka,
I couldn’t find the quote in the attachment you sent us, but the Rolling Stones only concert in Harrisburg was June 19, 1964 (although they played in nearby Hershey just a few years ago). The obituary for the mayor of Harrisburg in 1964, Dr. William K. McBride, doesn’t mention that he had a daughter.
Ken Frew
Research Librarian
Historical Society of Dauphin County
219 South Front Street
Harrisburg, PA 17104
Phone: 717-233-3462
Email: library@dauphincountyhistory.org
Web: www.dauphincountyhistory.org
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2000 LYFH
Keith Richard August 1971 interview by Robert Greenfield. Scans from the book - "The Rolling Stone Interviews Vol. 2" copyright 1973
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Deltics
"The arrogant Stones soon took over planning duties from the smaller local band."
The Grateful Dead? The smaller local band? In California??
Really?
"stung at having missed Woodstock that summer"
"It would also provide the centrepiece of a film, hastily commissioned with just a week of the tour remaining, which Jagger hoped to sneak out before the big-budget Woodstock movie, stealing some of its thunder."
First I've ever heard that any of the Stones were "stung" about not having played Woodstock and the Woodstock movie came out in March 1970 whereas Gimme Shelter was released in December 1970.
So much BS in this article, I think I'll be giving his book a miss.
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This story is from the April 30th, 1970 issue of Rolling Stone:
Or, as Cutler explains it, "I'm not putting the Angels down at all. There's no doubt, for example, that the Angels – that a lot of cats got hurt that didn't deserve to get hurt. Because they were in the way . . . The Angels had a bum trip on 'em. No doubt about that – they like walked into it. There ain't no doubt about that either. Right in the beginning a number of Angels tried to sort it out as best they could and it just got worse and worse for them. And it just got blacker and blacker and blacker. Talk to the Angels. You'll find 20 Angels out of the 300 or however many were there who had a groovy time. They were the 20 who stayed at the Angels bus. The rest of them had a total bummer."
The exact nature of the understanding between the Angels and the concert promoters, if indeed there was any understanding, is still uncertain. Cutler admits the Angels were given $500 worth of beer by the Stones, but insists they were not hired as security. They were told it was going to be a party, and, presumably, the beer was to make them more festive.
According to Cutler, prior to the festival, "I asked how one deals with the different groups in this area. If you're organizing a thing for 300,000 people, how do you deal with 300,000 people? What do the Angels want, what does anybody want out of it? So as part of this process of finding out, we went to see the Angels. Rock Scully and I and Emmett Grogan went to see the Angels.
"Now the Angels didn't want anything out of it. The Angels aren't cops; they wouldn't police an event, and nobody would invite them to."
The obvious question, then, is how they ended up in that role. To which Cutler only replies that they did even though nobody expected them to, and that he didn't want any police in any form for the concert.
"The only Angels I ever talked to were the San Francisco Angels," he claims. "They were coming to a party. And it was clearly understood between them and me and Rock and everyone else that it was a party. That's what we wanted it to be."
But the Angels definitely were given $500 worth of beer – "Five hundred bucks? Peanuts. What's five hundred bucks to the Rolling Stones? Nothing – paid for by the Stones, prior to the concert.
"The Dead have bought beer for the Angels. The Airplane have bought beer for the Angels, lots of groups have. The traditional way of making it all cool and groovy and calm and nice for the Angels and for everybody else is to get a supply of beer in; the Angels give it out and drink it and have a party at their bus. It's happened before and it's happened successfully. No reason to believe that it wouldn't happen successfully again."
Then why do the Angels claim they were hired as security?
"That's an honest misconception on their part. No one in the whole world can hire the Angels to do anything."
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bmuseed
Riiiight....they weren't hired for security!
PS: note that,for the most part, the beatings had nothing to do with stage security..
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bmuseed
Riiiight....they weren't hired for security!
Sorry, but at this point you will have to wait a couple of months to hear the actual story that I got at the time from Sam...
PS: note that,for the most part, the beatings had nothing to do with stage security..
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bmuseed
plus, someone down front pointed a gun at mick. that matters.
Cant even take you seriously after that one.
How the heck would you know that he was pointing a gun at Mick?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-09-07 18:10 by stanlove.
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bmuseed
If i ask how the other three people died and who killed them,
Because you have already shown yourself to be totally pro Angel. This question right here proves it again. Why the heck would it matter that 3 other people died. A guy drowned so somehow that defends the Angels?
2 people get run over and that someohow is defense of the Angels? Your arguments have been irrational from the start and all in favor of the Angels.
Its on Video. We saw the way the Angels acted.
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bmuseed
My insight...the Euro tour was scarier..and the press, sucks!
Lem...it seems the nasty ass people were mostly around the stage..more than likely 'bad drugs' had a big influence..
If you were a few hundred feet from the stage...you had a great time..and the newspapers reflected that the next day. It wasn't until a quiet news Monday that the 'if it bleeds lead' took over. I was surprised they didn't have the headline.. Man brings a knife to a gunfight..and wins. When I saw the footage, I was glad an Angel was there.
I wanted to punch the guy that hit Mick..I went for him... Mick stopped me. "Be cool" he said..
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bmuseed
My insight...the Euro tour was scarier..and the press, sucks!
Lem...it seems the nasty ass people were mostly around the stage..more than likely 'bad drugs' had a big influence..
If you were a few hundred feet from the stage...you had a great time..and the newspapers reflected that the next day. It wasn't until a quiet news Monday that the 'if it bleeds lead' took over. I was surprised they didn't have the headline.. Man brings a knife to a gunfight..and wins. When I saw the footage, I was glad an Angel was there.
I wanted to punch the guy that hit Mick..I went for him... Mick stopped me. "Be cool" he said..
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bmuseed
My insight...the Euro tour was scarier..and the press, sucks!
Lem...it seems the nasty ass people were mostly around the stage..more than likely 'bad drugs' had a big influence..
If you were a few hundred feet from the stage...you had a great time..and the newspapers reflected that the next day. It wasn't until a quiet news Monday that the 'if it bleeds lead' took over. I was surprised they didn't have the headline.. Man brings a knife to a gunfight..and wins. When I saw the footage, I was glad an Angel was there.
I wanted to punch the guy that hit Mick..I went for him... Mick stopped me. "Be cool" he said..
How would punching the guy have made things better? Maybe just better for you?Seems an orderly arrest or removing him (in one piece) from the grounds is the better option.
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lem motlow
If i ask how the other three people died and who killed them,or why the Angels weren't fighting with the crowd at the prior Dead or Airplane shows,or if i mention i'd like to have seen that guy who punched Mick Jagger in the face maybe get cracked in the head with a pool cue a couple of times- i get ten responses all telling me the Hells Angels are mean and nasty people.
i get it-and water is wet,but it still doesn't answer anything beyond the surface.
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" ... there was an outcry over ticket prices."
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" ... there was an outcry over ticket prices."
There was no outcry over prices.
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bmuseed
plus, someone down front pointed a gun at mick. that matters.
Cant even take you seriously after that one.
How the heck would you know that he was pointing a gun at Mick?
i was tempted to say something, but i got a question instead. you related to anyone?
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misterfrias
That Mojo article says that the Angels turned Meredith's gun over to the police. I always thought it was never found.
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That Mojo article says that the Angels turned Meredith's gun over to the police. I always thought it was never found.
If you watch Gimme Shelter you'll see a guy in a white shirt [who i assume is from the small security force the owner hired to protect the speedaway grounds] is talking to a cop,he says "i have the gun,one of the Angels gave it to me"
which is why even though we have these threads pop up here and again it's always good because people are constantly trying to shovel sht.
i actually saw something recently"poor meredith even lost his gun,a fan took it for a souvenir" i'm thinking,how fckng lazy is the guy who wrote this article.