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Not to very too far from the topic, but when was the last time Charlie played an interesting beat on record. Almost everything I can think of from the last 25 years features the same pedestrian bass-snare-bass-bass-snare plod...
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I think his drumming got kinda ruined once they tried to take onboard that jittery new wave drumming style and/or that thing of lifting his stick off the hi-hat when he hits the snare... wonkified his groove, to my ears and it seems to have made him lose his ability to play like he did circa 1967 - 1972. Eg, like his playing on studio versions of Jigsaw Puzzle, Gimme Shelter etc etc.
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peoplewitheyes
Not to very too far from the topic, but when was the last time Charlie played an interesting beat on record. Almost everything I can think of from the last 25 years features the same pedestrian bass-snare-bass-bass-snare plod...
(standing back to avoid the rotten tomatoes)
I think his drumming got kinda ruined once they tried to take onboard that jittery new wave drumming style and/or that thing of lifting his stick off the hi-hat when he hits the snare... wonkified his groove, to my ears and it seems to have made him lose his ability to play like he did circa 1967 - 1972. Eg, like his playing on studio versions of Jigsaw Puzzle, Gimme Shelter etc etc.
I'm pretty sure he always did the broken 8th notes on the hi-hat--I thought I saw in an interview somewhere that it's subconscious, he doesn't even notice he's doing it until someone points it out to him.
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I loved his drumming on YaYa's. That was pure Charlie, while on other well known studio cuts we learned the grooves weren't his ideas.
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I loved his drumming on YaYa's. That was pure Charlie, while on other well known studio cuts we learned the grooves weren't his ideas.
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Ventilator Blues, Miss you, Sympathy ftD, Honky T. Woman . .
A lot of his best loved drum tracks.
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DP, - being a drummer, I see it a bit different.
There are very few outstanding studio drum tracks (from the 'groove idea')that come from Charlie.
But I love his live playin from 69-78. The first years best.
LOL "yes "I'M Free" of course; didn't want to add that one because that one has some outright mistakes. A funny passage is on the studio boots from the "Sympathy" sessions, when Charlie keeps ruining take after take. And you hear Jagger going "No Charlie it's the bit that goes..."Quote
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DP, - being a drummer, I see it a bit different.
There are very few outstanding studio drum tracks (from the 'groove idea')that come from Charlie.
But I love his live playin from 69-78. The first years best.
I respect that, and it was obvious that Jimmy Miller influenced his playing in the early 70s. Maybe Olly Brown as well in the mid-70s?
The «no hi-hat with snare»-approach suited their sound very well in 1978, imo. It left some room for the guitars and bass. In 1981/82 the whole thing became too messy, and Charlie ended up sounding like a robot at times.
He has kept it somewhere in the middle since then.
I love the «clumsy Charlie» as well (good call, Palace!). We might add I'm Free there
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when was the last time Charlie played an interesting beat on record.
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I loved his drumming on YaYa's. That was pure Charlie, while on other well known studio cuts we learned the grooves weren't his ideas.
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Not to very too far from the topic, but when was the last time Charlie played an interesting beat on record. Almost everything I can think of from the last 25 years features the same pedestrian bass-snare-bass-bass-snare plod...
(standing back to avoid the rotten tomatoes)
I think his drumming got kinda ruined once they tried to take onboard that jittery new wave drumming style and/or that thing of lifting his stick off the hi-hat when he hits the snare... wonkified his groove, to my ears and it seems to have made him lose his ability to play like he did circa 1967 - 1972. Eg, like his playing on studio versions of Jigsaw Puzzle, Gimme Shelter etc etc.
I'm pretty sure he always did the broken 8th notes on the hi-hat--I thought I saw in an interview somewhere that it's subconscious, he doesn't even notice he's doing it until someone points it out to him.
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Also Charlie doesn't drum on You Can't Always Get What You Want...several others too.
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Also Charlie doesn't drum on You Can't Always Get What You Want...several others too.
Also no Charlie on IORR, Sleep Tonite, some others I can't recall right now. Did Jimmy Miller play drums on TD?