Midnight Rambler is always played differently, in length, in notes and there is a lot of improvisation and jamming in there, of course.

it's not mick,it's the entire band- they don't do that crap because it's boring.

i'm suprised on a stones board everyone here hasn't read at least ten articles with keith saying just that.

mick doesnt run the stones musically,that's a myth.the rolling stones don't do anything as far as music is concerned without keith richards stamp on it.the idea of him bumbling along through the hits that mick says they should play is well,bullshit.

mick takes care of the bands business on behalf of the others because he has a talent for it,that's alot different than running the entire show.

Jam band Stones. Turn it up and turn yourself on. If you don't move to this, sing along, dance along, the undertaker is your best friend.

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Would love to hear this as part of a live show now, but I believe it belongs to that era when Maryjane smoke clouded the interior of many arenas. What sweet times they were.

Didn't read all the replies but my 2 cents worth is that neither Ronnie or Keith are that good guitarist to put any kind of meaningful jam together.
Like one reply said though...'73 Brussels was a animal of a different colour."
Anyway, Mick being a dollar & cents kind of guy would look at jamming as a waste of time and money.

Why Brussels? They jammed even more in 1975...

One only needs to listen to Mick's solo material to understand that he wants nothing to do with any form of improvisation and/or jamming.

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It's largely about the timing of the shows and the necessity for all the sound, lighting and everything else to run like clockwork.
With big modern shows. often with a requirement to finish on time, it all has to work like one big machine and that mitigates against too much deviation from the plan.



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For a while, it seemed he enjoyed the call and response thing with Taylor on MR, at least

There is also jamming in OOC, a song they still keep on playing...

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simply put: more than 95% of the audience isn't interested in jamming. They want just greatest hits. No jamming is the price you've got to pay to play to 50.000+ crowds

so how did the grateful dead play to stadiums pretty much the last decade they were around? they still jammed, changed setlists every night, played are obscure originals, threw in covers, etc. even when the dead celebrated their 50th anniversary last year by doing 5 concerts, all in stadiums, I believe they played more songs in those 5 dates than the stones played the entire zipcode tour.

Over the course of the five shows 81 different songs were performed not including "Drums" and "Space" which were each performed every night. Only two songs, "Truckin'" and "Cumberland Blues", were repeated.

It's hard to jam in a stadium and keep it interesting.
Actually, the Stones are still jamming a lot more in stadiums compared to almost any other big-stadium act. Midnight Rambler, Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash still have a lot of "ad-lib" feeling to it. More than that would in most cases only sound tedious and not going anywhere.

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That's not a rock band up there to jam. That's a traveling Broadway show, timed to the nth degree. It stopped being anything spontaneous, or inspiring, over 30 years ago. There was a little wiggle room in 1999, but that's long gone. Keith is lucky enough to get through the songs now, contributing his part which has shrunk considerably. The bass don't swing, the piano tinkles, the sax section has a hole in it. It's over. It's like comparing an Indian Casino Mike Love's Beach Boys gig to a Brian Wilson concert where he does ALL of Pet Sounds. This band still called the Rolling Stones is a shadow of what was. I can't imagine traveling around and hearing this version night after night, same song after same song. It would bore my nuts off.

Now, Brussels '73, that's a horse of a different color....

Thanks! Reality, the way it really was and really is (today) and you said it better than me. To be fair to Jagger INC many people are depending on them (Stones) for paychecks for their families and the Jagger INC formula is able to provide. We can name Mick an egomaniac and control freak but I see him as the most responsible Stone who is thinking of those below him getting paid. If it was Keith INC the peasants would starve.



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When they did jam, they were very very good at it, but as many have pointed out, there hasn't been much jam with this band since 81/82. I think you have to look to their roots to understand why. The Stones, like many bands from the 60's were inspired by American blues - usually short songs, they developed and were steered into cranking out 3 minute singles and that continued well into the more recent years. So it's little surprise that when they go on tour the songs are kept near to their original timings, that way you get to do a two hour set and cram in as many hits as you can, thereby keeping the majority of your audience happy.

Jam bands like the Dead, Allmans, Phish etc generally weren't big in the singles hit making market and so their audiences were content to smoke, drink drop their chosen stimulants and sit back to enjoy the trip. Often the bands were on the smae trip and it all melted into one experience....this was never really the Stones' approach, they preferred to sort themselves out and then deliver to the audience and move on to the next town.

My favourite example of the Stones jamming is the 72/73 versions of YCAGWYW with Keith laying down some amazing guitar chops intertwined with Taylor, Keys and Charlie. Superb!

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When they did jam, they were very very good at it, but as many have pointed out, there hasn't been much jam with this band since 81/82. I think you have to look to their roots to understand why. The Stones, like many bands from the 60's were inspired by American blues - usually short songs, they developed and were steered into cranking out 3 minute singles and that continued well into the more recent years. So it's little surprise that when they go on tour the songs are kept near to their original timings, that way you get to do a two hour set and cram in as many hits as you can, thereby keeping the majority of your audience happy.

Jam bands like the Dead, Allmans, Phish etc generally weren't big in the singles hit making market and so their audiences were content to smoke, drink drop their chosen stimulants and sit back to enjoy the trip. Often the bands were on the smae trip and it all melted into one experience....this was never really the Stones' approach, they preferred to sort themselves out and then deliver to the audience and move on to the next town.

My favourite example of the Stones jamming is the 72/73 versions of YCAGWYW with Keith laying down some amazing guitar chops intertwined with Taylor, Keys and Charlie. Superb!

2 things.

1 are you trying to say the stones never performed live while on drugs?

2 while not big in the hit market allman bros and the dead played relatively short songs on their albums and extended them in concert

to all the complainers, the big critic section:
I would be happy if my band would bring on the stage only half of the energy the Stones do
only half swinging in the bass .... (the bass don´t swing)
half power of the horn section .... (the horn section is a hole)
etc. etc.

Post the music you can perform on stage and we will give our comments.
If you can´t, shut up

Well....first of all:
some iorr'ers and of course the poster of this thread, are expressing their love to their band by being critical in every single aspect and thinking always about new aspects to be critical about.
and....second:
The Stones have an enormous power left at 70something for being 2 hours on stage.
Long jam´s would cut the number of songs down to 12-14.
yes....then guess:
Who would be the first one's moaning about the downsizing of the setlist?
Right....!

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That's not a rock band up there to jam. That's a traveling Broadway show, timed to the nth degree. It stopped being anything spontaneous, or inspiring, over 30 years ago. There was a little wiggle room in 1999, but that's long gone. Keith is lucky enough to get through the songs now, contributing his part which has shrunk considerably. The bass don't swing, the piano tinkles, the sax section has a hole in it. It's over. It's like comparing an Indian Casino Mike Love's Beach Boys gig to a Brian Wilson concert where he does ALL of Pet Sounds. This band still called the Rolling Stones is a shadow of what was. I can't imagine traveling around and hearing this version night after night, same song after same song. It would bore my nuts off.

Now, Brussels '73, that's a horse of a different color....

That´s a very pessimistic way of seeing things, imo. The Stones today are as good as they were in 1995 and that was better than in 1982...

Karl Denson is a better sax player by far than Bobby ever was and Sasha is better than Lisa was recently. Darryl Jones´ funky bass is solid and excellent, Ronnie´s playing improved considerably, Mick is still the greatest frontman alive, Charlie is still the Wembley Whammer and Keith is marvelous on a good night. Last not least Chuck Leavall is a fine player but he should play a "real piano". Apart from that he is doing a great job for more than 20 years now. Listen to him on Fancy Man Blues for example. The Stones are still a great unit - well, on a gigantic stage with computerized light show and video images is not much place for spontaneosity, but let them play to a small audience in a small club and I bet they would kick your ass just like in the Sixties.

These guys are in their seventies and can still put up a great show. Who would have expected this some 20 years ago. They are phenomenal and so are their concerts, m-i-n-d-b-l-o-w-i-n-g.

Btw, Brian Wilson is a boring old man who makes boring music, but that´s just my opinion. I never dug the Beach Boys anyway.

I explained away (to myself) your "analysis" of the current state of the Stones as just blind fandom. But whether or not you like Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys' music, Wilson is hardly a boring old man with boring music. Whatever credibility your opinion of the Stones might carry is gone the minute you dismiss Wilson like that.

Blind fandom? I watched parts of the Hampton-DVD last night, oh my goodness what a mess they were in 1981! Mick sang way out of tune, the guitars were just making some noise that got almost nothing to do with the original songs, many songs were saved from disaster by Ernie Watts´ extended sax-solos. Listen to Ronnie´s solo on YCAGWYW, horrible. And on and on. Look at them now in 2016, they are much better than that, musically spoken. How can someone call the Stones of 2016 "a shadow of themselves"? Considering their age and the fact that they never were brilliant musicians they are fantastic. Their messy shows 1981/82 had a charm of its own and I like it, but nowadays their performance is considerably better.

Brian Wilson might be a leading persona in the history of popular music, but everything I´ve ever heard of him bored me to death, it is not my cup of tea, just like Jeff Lynne or Roy Orbison, Elvis Presley to name a few. Great figures all of them but simply not my taste. To me they are just boring. Tom Petty is boring too. Ooops, I´ve forgotten Billy Joel & Elton John, the true masters of boredom.

I hate to see the Allman Brothers included in those boring ass jam bands. Duane's death changed the trajectory of the music. They'd only been in existence a couple years when he died. He took them where they went and most likely would have taken them other places.

I think if you find the current lineup of the Stones to be greater than past editions, more power to your ears. You have been blessed. I still like Brian Wilson and will be there, god willing, on Sunday, July 10th at the Hollywood Bowl, hearing him perform Pet Sounds in its entirety, alongside Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin. I'm always amazed at how good the professional musicians sound, vocally and instrumentally, that Brian has chosen to enhance his music. It will be so boring to sit there under the stars, a little stoned, 'Sloop John B' echoing out over the hills.

At this point in their careers (Since 1989) they are a nostalgia band. Like The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac etc. Yes they release an album every so often and play 1 or 2 songs live (that's the crowds bathroom and beer line break). People pay a lot of money to hear their hits.

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At this point in their careers (Since 1989) they are a nostalgia band. Like The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac etc. Yes they release an album every so often and play 1 or 2 songs live (that's the crowds bathroom and beer line break). People pay a lot of money to hear their hits.

I would take that a little further. It would be interesting to see how many current Rolling Stones, and sidemen/women, you could replace before the average fan quit coming the see the Never Ending Greatest Hits Show. Mick and Keith would have to be there, but everybody else?

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I hate to see the Allman Brothers included in those boring ass jam bands. Duane's death changed the trajectory of the music. They'd only been in existence a couple years when he died. He took them where they went and most likely would have taken them other places.

I think if you find the current lineup of the Stones to be greater than past editions, more power to your ears. You have been blessed. I still like Brian Wilson and will be there, god willing, on Sunday, July 10th at the Hollywood Bowl, hearing him perform Pet Sounds in its entirety, alongside Al Jardine and Blondie Chaplin. I'm always amazed at how good the professional musicians sound, vocally and instrumentally, that Brian has chosen to enhance his music. It will be so boring to sit there under the stars, a little stoned, 'Sloop John B' echoing out over the hills.

That sounds like it will be an amazing evening. Can you imagine the outrage at people sitting through a Yes concert or hearing Pink Floyd performing and extended rendition of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond"

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to all the complainers, the big critic section:
I would be happy if my band would bring on the stage only half of the energy the Stones do
only half swinging in the bass .... (the bass don´t swing)
half power of the horn section .... (the horn section is a hole)
etc. etc.

Post the music you can perform on stage and we will give our comments.
If you can´t, shut up

I'm sorry your band is no good. And, sorry, this isn't like a military man telling a Chicken Hawk to shut up. It's only rock and roll. Besides, the Rolling Stones produced MONUMENTAL studio and stage work for about 30 years. They will always be remembered for those achievements. Okay, I'm selfish. I want more out of this band than they want to give at this point. I want an album with some thought and time in it, where they don't disrespect the bass guitar. I want some live shows with novelty, rarities, blues covers. I know I'm not going to get these things. The band has given me more day to day enjoyment than just about anything. I watched the Marquee DVD the other night. Keys, Hopkins, Wyman, Taylor, Stewart. Sigh.

I thought they were jamming quite a bit when Mick Taylor played with them on that tour, on Midnight Rambler, for example.

I also hear at least some jamming on a few songs from the recent Olé tour, as people mentioned above.

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From a 2015 Billboard article. I think this says it all on this topic:

When I ask him if The Grateful Dead’s three farewell shows during July 4 weekend, which grossed an astonishing $55 million, fired up his competitive juices, the answer is apparently yes, though not because of anything to do with money. “The Grateful Dead is where everybody got it wrong,” he scoffs. “Just poodling about for hours and hours. Jerry Garcia, boring shit, man. Sorry, Jerry.”

The last Sydney show felt like a jam. Micks voice was recovering and the band covered for him. Mick did LOTS of dancing, roostering and the band played like demons.
My last show and possibly the greatest show I witnessed.
Plus we got 3 Keef songs, Respectable, Sweet Virginia and Bitch.

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When they did jam, they were very very good at it, but as many have pointed out, there hasn't been much jam with this band since 81/82. I think you have to look to their roots to understand why. The Stones, like many bands from the 60's were inspired by American blues - usually short songs, they developed and were steered into cranking out 3 minute singles and that continued well into the more recent years. So it's little surprise that when they go on tour the songs are kept near to their original timings, that way you get to do a two hour set and cram in as many hits as you can, thereby keeping the majority of your audience happy.

Jam bands like the Dead, Allmans, Phish etc generally weren't big in the singles hit making market and so their audiences were content to smoke, drink drop their chosen stimulants and sit back to enjoy the trip. Often the bands were on the smae trip and it all melted into one experience....this was never really the Stones' approach, they preferred to sort themselves out and then deliver to the audience and move on to the next town.

My favourite example of the Stones jamming is the 72/73 versions of YCAGWYW with Keith laying down some amazing guitar chops intertwined with Taylor, Keys and Charlie. Superb!

2 things.

1 are you trying to say the stones never performed live while on drugs?

2 while not big in the hit market allman bros and the dead played relatively short songs on their albums and extended them in concert

Here a small sample: The Allman Brothers on Johnny Carson in 1991. Check out the second song at about 4:20 on the video. Charlie Watts would really dig this:

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From a 2015 Billboard article. I think this says it all on this topic:

When I ask him if The Grateful Dead’s three farewell shows during July 4 weekend, which grossed an astonishing $55 million, fired up his competitive juices, the answer is apparently yes, though not because of anything to do with money. “The Grateful Dead is where everybody got it wrong,” he scoffs. “Just poodling about for hours and hours. Jerry Garcia, boring shit, man. Sorry, Jerry.”

So this is what Grateful Dead fans do when they are bored?

Well, I would say that crowd looks pretty excited and packed to the roof for a great show with some fantastic jams on July 5, 2015 at Chicago. What it was NOT, was a bunch of stale warhorse hits and a Vegas show.





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From a 2015 Billboard article. I think this says it all on this topic:

When I ask him if The Grateful Dead’s three farewell shows during July 4 weekend, which grossed an astonishing $55 million, fired up his competitive juices, the answer is apparently yes, though not because of anything to do with money. “The Grateful Dead is where everybody got it wrong,” he scoffs. “Just poodling about for hours and hours. Jerry Garcia, boring shit, man. Sorry, Jerry.”

So this is what Grateful Dead fans do when they are bored?

Well, I would say that crowd looks pretty excited and packed to the roof for a great show with some fantastic jams on July 5, 2015 at Chicago. What it was NOT, was a bunch of stale warhorse hits and a Vegas show.

exactly the dead played plenty of stadiums and sold them out with only having 1 actual top 40 hit. they always changed the setlist, jammed, the band never felt the need to play "truckin", "casey jones", "touch of grey", "foolish heart" or "uncle johns band" at every single concert

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When they did jam, they were very very good at it, but as many have pointed out, there hasn't been much jam with this band since 81/82. I think you have to look to their roots to understand why. The Stones, like many bands from the 60's were inspired by American blues - usually short songs, they developed and were steered into cranking out 3 minute singles and that continued well into the more recent years. So it's little surprise that when they go on tour the songs are kept near to their original timings, that way you get to do a two hour set and cram in as many hits as you can, thereby keeping the majority of your audience happy.

Jam bands like the Dead, Allmans, Phish etc generally weren't big in the singles hit making market and so their audiences were content to smoke, drink drop their chosen stimulants and sit back to enjoy the trip. Often the bands were on the smae trip and it all melted into one experience....this was never really the Stones' approach, they preferred to sort themselves out and then deliver to the audience and move on to the next town.

My favourite example of the Stones jamming is the 72/73 versions of YCAGWYW with Keith laying down some amazing guitar chops intertwined with Taylor, Keys and Charlie. Superb!

2 things.

1 are you trying to say the stones never performed live while on drugs?

2 while not big in the hit market allman bros and the dead played relatively short songs on their albums and extended them in concert

Here a small sample: The Allman Brothers on Johnny Carson in 1991. Check out the second song at about 4:20 on the video. Charlie Watts would really dig this:

I own every release by the allman brothers

The Stones are jamming. More structured than jam bands or previous versions of themselves but jamming nonetheless. From night to night the guitar solos differ, even the mistakes are part of jamming. They are playing for the moment, I have no doubt, still they need structure especially without Bill who went through great lenghts to keep everyone on the same page. When EC, Brad Paisley, Clarke or Mayer join in it always a jam as well. The Who, they no longerer jam but The Stones do.

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The Stones are jamming. More structured than jam bands or previous versions of themselves but jamming nonetheless. From night to night the guitar solos differ, even the mistakes are part of jamming. They are playing for the moment, I have no doubt, still they need structure especially without Bill who went through great lenghts to keep everyone on the same page. When EC, Brad Paisley, Clarke or Mayer join in it always a jam as well. The Who, they no longerer jam but The Stones do.

why would the who jam now? not 1 person who plays an instrument other than pete is considered a member of the band by most fans although roger can play guitar and harmonica


the stones have ron, keith and charlie plus mick on harp and guitar.