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Silver Dagger
One thing I never got though is the curious line, "don't need a virgin priest".
Why would anyone want a virgin priest?
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I've never heard the original version of this (supposedly with Taylor playing on it using acoustic guitar).
I'd be interested in listening to it...is that available anywhere on the web or youtube?
As far as I know it there's no such version, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Maybe someone can post it here.
Then how can anyone make any comments on what Taylor provided or didn't provide on any recorded version of WOAF? Confusing, as Naturlast says : "I have little doubt he playing on the original version cut in Jamaica..."
Well how can he know about Taylor's playing if you say there's no such version? Has Naturlast listened to 'original version'? Where's his proof, is what I'm asking.
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DandelionPowderman
Taylor played it once on stage with the Stones, though.
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Taylor played it once on stage with the Stones, though.
On a MKI or MKII ?
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I've never heard the original version of this (supposedly with Taylor playing on it using acoustic guitar).
I'd be interested in listening to it...is that available anywhere on the web or youtube?
As far as I know it there's no such version, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Maybe someone can post it here.
Then how can anyone make any comments on what Taylor provided or didn't provide on any recorded version of WOAF? Confusing, as Naturlast says : "I have little doubt he playing on the original version cut in Jamaica..."
Well how can he know about Taylor's playing if you say there's no such version? Has Naturlast listened to 'original version'? Where's his proof, is what I'm asking.
The subject is becoming a bit boring to me by now. There's no proof and most people don't care anyway. I have never heard a studio version or boot with more than one guitar. I don't know who came up with the story that guitar tracks got dubbed a zillion times, that Taylor got wiped, or played the acoustic in the first place. It's always a copy of the same track, recorded during the Taylor years, only differently edited. You cannot claim something you haven't put on tape or something that was wiped, imo. So what was MT talking about?
In 1981 (coloseum) the guitars sound nowhere near the original, in 1997 Keith comes close at times. Taylor never played it live with the Stones. If you search the internet you'll read people /sites saying it's Taylor on the original and others say it's Keith, it's about 50-50. There are only opinions, no official sources yet. It's just what your ears tell you. Can you follow?
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Silver Dagger
One thing I never got though is the curious line, "don't need a virgin priest".
Why would anyone want a virgin priest?
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I've never heard the original version of this (supposedly with Taylor playing on it using acoustic guitar).
I'd be interested in listening to it...is that available anywhere on the web or youtube?
As far as I know it there's no such version, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Maybe someone can post it here.
Then how can anyone make any comments on what Taylor provided or didn't provide on any recorded version of WOAF? Confusing, as Naturlast says : "I have little doubt he playing on the original version cut in Jamaica..."
Well how can he know about Taylor's playing if you say there's no such version? Has Naturlast listened to 'original version'? Where's his proof, is what I'm asking.
The subject is becoming a bit boring to me by now. There's no proof and most people don't care anyway. I have never heard a studio version or boot with more than one guitar. I don't know who came up with the story that guitar tracks got dubbed a zillion times, that Taylor got wiped, or played the acoustic in the first place. It's always a copy of the same track, recorded during the Taylor years, only differently edited. You cannot claim something you haven't put on tape or something that was wiped, imo. So what was MT talking about?
In 1981 (coloseum) the guitars sound nowhere near the original, in 1997 Keith comes close at times. Taylor never played it live with the Stones. If you search the internet you'll read people /sites saying it's Taylor on the original and others say it's Keith, it's about 50-50. There are only opinions, no official sources yet. It's just what your ears tell you. Can you follow?
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GasLightStreet
There's also another possibility - not that Taylor was wiped, just that his track was never used.
Based on the bootleg, seeing that it sounds like a working mix and therefor seems to have everything in it and why wouldn't they back then, it sounds that he wasn't there for the original tracking session in 1972.
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I've never heard the original version of this (supposedly with Taylor playing on it using acoustic guitar).
I'd be interested in listening to it...is that available anywhere on the web or youtube?
As far as I know it there's no such version, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Maybe someone can post it here.
Then how can anyone make any comments on what Taylor provided or didn't provide on any recorded version of WOAF? Confusing, as Naturlast says : "I have little doubt he playing on the original version cut in Jamaica..."
Well how can he know about Taylor's playing if you say there's no such version? Has Naturlast listened to 'original version'? Where's his proof, is what I'm asking.
The subject is becoming a bit boring to me by now. There's no proof and most people don't care anyway. I have never heard a studio version or boot with more than one guitar. I don't know who came up with the story that guitar tracks got dubbed a zillion times, that Taylor got wiped, or played the acoustic in the first place. It's always a copy of the same track, recorded during the Taylor years, only differently edited. You cannot claim something you haven't put on tape or something that was wiped, imo. So what was MT talking about?
In 1981 (coloseum) the guitars sound nowhere near the original, in 1997 Keith comes close at times. Taylor never played it live with the Stones. If you search the internet you'll read people /sites saying it's Taylor on the original and others say it's Keith, it's about 50-50. There are only opinions, no official sources yet. It's just what your ears tell you. Can you follow?
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DandelionPowderman
Is there another track in the Stones catalogue where has been this modest, patient and consistent in his rhythm playing? The closest I can think of is Bitch, but even there he starts to play with the rhythm after a while.
Somebody close to him claims that he is playing the third guitar on Luxury, but that one is also more syncopated and "clever" than this guitar track.
I can't see Taylor copying some of Keith's trademark licks, but that's me
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I've never heard the original version of this (supposedly with Taylor playing on it using acoustic guitar).
I'd be interested in listening to it...is that available anywhere on the web or youtube?
As far as I know it there's no such version, but I would love to be proven wrong.
Maybe someone can post it here.
Then how can anyone make any comments on what Taylor provided or didn't provide on any recorded version of WOAF? Confusing, as Naturlast says : "I have little doubt he playing on the original version cut in Jamaica..."
Well how can he know about Taylor's playing if you say there's no such version? Has Naturlast listened to 'original version'? Where's his proof, is what I'm asking.
The subject is becoming a bit boring to me by now. There's no proof and most people don't care anyway. I have never heard a studio version or boot with more than one guitar. I don't know who came up with the story that guitar tracks got dubbed a zillion times, that Taylor got wiped, or played the acoustic in the first place. It's always a copy of the same track, recorded during the Taylor years, only differently edited. You cannot claim something you haven't put on tape or something that was wiped, imo. So what was MT talking about?
In 1981 (coloseum) the guitars sound nowhere near the original, in 1997 Keith comes close at times. Taylor never played it live with the Stones. If you search the internet you'll read people /sites saying it's Taylor on the original and others say it's Keith, it's about 50-50. There are only opinions, no official sources yet. It's just what your ears tell you. Can you follow?
I certainly have no proof but some of the outtakes sound like possibly more that one guitar track.
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My assumption that he played on the initial track in Jamaica was just based on the fact that this song (and Tops) were reportedly named in a lawsuit Taylor filed against the stones and a settlement was made. I can't imagine him doing so if he didn't play on the tune. And he was certainly in Jamaica for the sessions, I haven't heard any reports of him missing any (unlike Keith).
But like I said the part sounds like pretty classic Keith. Not that Taylor wasn't capable of playing like Keith or that he didn't. One has to look no further than Angie (from the same sessions) and watch Taylors playing in this video to see that he was perfectly capable of modest, patient and consistent rhythm playing.
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GasLightStreet
The official release sounds like Keith on guitar - and only Keith. If Taylor played on it it's not in the mix, just as it sounds on the bootlegs. Maybe Taylor played so much on it that it was messy and they kept it out.
Maybe he didn't play on it.
His demand to be paid for the LP version that he's not on was most likely dismissed since he was already paid for the original session. Once you're paid for recording you don't get paid for not being on the final version. Has he ever stated specifically what he did? I've not ever seen it.
Yeah yeah yeah there are tracks without Keith on them that are just Mick T and Mick T and Mick J on guitars. But there are other tracks without Mick T on them, like Happy and Tumbling Dice and Soul Survivor and Coming Down Again and It's Only Rock'N'Roll and Luxury.
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GasLightStreet
The official release sounds like Keith on guitar - and only Keith. If Taylor played on it it's not in the mix, just as it sounds on the bootlegs. Maybe Taylor played so much on it that it was messy and they kept it out.
Maybe he didn't play on it.
His demand to be paid for the LP version that he's not on was most likely dismissed since he was already paid for the original session. Once you're paid for recording you don't get paid for not being on the final version. Has he ever stated specifically what he did? I've not ever seen it.
Yeah yeah yeah there are tracks without Keith on them that are just Mick T and Mick T and Mick J on guitars. But there are other tracks without Mick T on them, like Happy and Tumbling Dice and Soul Survivor and Coming Down Again and It's Only Rock'N'Roll and Luxury.
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Redhotcarpet
And to me the electric sounds like a guitar following an already recorded track. And the way it's played its the way you'd assume one plays an acoustic. Could be the song starts with an acoustic that has been partially wiped.
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Mathijs
Don't forget that wiping Taylor's parts certainly is possible. Take the half a dozen or so Brown Sugar outtakes -Taylor is on all of them, even playing a lead guitar on one, but on the official version all his parts are wiped, and he doesn't even appear on it anymore. Remember the Exile outtakes from that Nicky Hopkins tape. Taylor was present and played on all versions recorded in the basement, but just about everything he played except his slide on all Down the line was wiped.
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Rocky Dijon
The saxophone solo replaces a discarded guitar solo. Listen to the amazing soaring jazz notes on Waiting on a Friend.
The likely inference is that Taylor recognized his creative contribution when he heard Sonny Rollins' saxophone solo.