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they prolly know where i live anyhow!
I was thinking kind of the same thing though almost every song is just short of being a hit, a very high level very cohesive set of very very good non-hit material.
Kind of a "taken in whole it's greater than the sum of it's parts" argument.
DIRTY WORK is strictly a contract filler!
Of course not. Both songs are songs they put a lot of effort in making – either songwriting-wise or arrangement-wise.
The album Gimme Shelter consists of lots of what you regard «immature songs» (For instance, the tracks from Got Live If You Want It). Surely you mean Let It Bleed?
No, I mean the song Gimme Shelter which was never released as a single (or am I wrong about that?). The rest of Let It Bleed is OK but mediocre by comparison - non-essential in my opinion but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to own LIB as well.
Ah, ok, I thought you were listing up the golden albums. My bad
There is no way around Midnight Rambler and You Can't Always Get What You Want being essential Stones, though (imo, of course).
Filler is not about whether you like the song or not. It's about whether it took some effort and has something new and fresh. Still, of course, that might be subjective to a certain extent.
But it's perfectly possible to like filler like "It's Alright" or dislike non-filler like "My Obsession".
So true...what song wouldn't be a filler on The Beatles album 'Help' except for some of their own songs...
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An interesting comment because I was thinking of how one might apply this same question to other bands.
"Her Majesty" on Abbey Road of the Beatles, is filler, but it's on purpose, I think, and meant as a joke anyway.
"Good Morning" on Sgt Pepper's I would call filler too (I don't like the rest of the album either, but definitely the rest is not filler).
"Fodderstompf" on Public Image: First Issue by PIL is filler, the band itself calls it that and it clearly is. It's also absolutely great and hilarious, and for me a highlight of that album. Actually the most perfect (and rare) example of how a song can be both filler and great.
YES. I know they are dear, dear songs to some people but both of them are mindless, especially Angie.
Respectable is pedestrian by-the-numbers Chuck Berry 'oh look, we can make it fast and be like punk music but stay blues' boring. You Got Me Rocking makes Mixed Emotions seem like Gimme Shelter.
Angie... ahhhh, well, I have such a love/hate for that song. The music is brilliant, the rest of it is beyond smarm that, when I finally heard Through The Lonely Nights and Save Me - after knowing they didn't finish Waiting On A Friend and Tops - then yes, Angie is filler. Convenient filler. Atlantic wanted to release it as a single, Mick didn't. Makes me think Mick thought it was crap...
Like Angie, which is our single, is not the best track on the album, I don't think. But it doesn't matter.
- Charlie Watts, 1973
It's quite a straight schmaltzy pop tune, with the piano and string arrangement so prominent, which is probably why it was so popular in Latin countries at the time. It was definitely a change of pace for us, almost like a reaction to the harder sounds of Exile.
- Mick Jagger, 1993
[timeisonourside.com]
With your list of supposed fillers, we'll leave you for hours to listen on auto repeat to "Rock And A Hard Place"! Richly deserved!
Awful list. Angie is a filler..LOL...
I think the songs on Exile that you list are as good as most songs on the album, and Respectable? I guess besides the killer guitar and good lyrics. You should be banned for a month for that one.
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Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
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Date: January 26, 2016 06:09
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the first album that had some filler was TSMR...half maybe, but the good songs were truly great, lifting the album out of mediocrity.
I think GHS was about 1/3 filler...not good coming out of the big four. Short & Curlies was filler. Cherry Oh Baby was filler. Lies was filler. Little Indian Girl was filler. Neighbours was filler. Dirty Work was all filler...no wait, One Hit To The Body was good...no, that was also filler. Steel Wheels works surprisingly well, but production is way too slick.
Voodoo Lounge was 1/3 filler, Bridges was half filler, and half really good. The four new 'licks' cuts were all filler.
ABB just needed to lose 4 or 5 cuts and include Under The Radar.
Doom & Gloom b/w One More Shot was 1/2 filler...I'm not going to say which half was filler, cuz I don't want to activate the Keithists.
ok, so not surprisingly Dirty Work wins for the most filler.
hahah and don't you know they will hunt you down
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they prolly know where i live anyhow!
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Anitapal82
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Date: January 26, 2016 08:58
Their most filler "song " has to be "we want the stones" composed by nanker phelge ! It's not even a song. Now that's filler !
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 26, 2016 15:35
We Want The Stones is a classic! The next song, however, is just filler before Pain In My Heart
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
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Date: January 26, 2016 15:45
Stones filler = what we expect without being great.
Those exile tracks are not "fillers" IMO because its not what we expect..
Those exile tracks are not "fillers" IMO because its not what we expect..
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Tops
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Date: January 26, 2016 15:50
Tattoo You.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
kovach
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Date: January 26, 2016 19:05
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Redhotcarpet
Exile is basically one long filler fest centered round one semi-hit.
I was thinking kind of the same thing though almost every song is just short of being a hit, a very high level very cohesive set of very very good non-hit material.
Kind of a "taken in whole it's greater than the sum of it's parts" argument.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 26, 2016 19:13
Whether songs are filler on an album depends of the nature of the album. If there are three great hits on it, there is bound to be filler as well.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: January 26, 2016 22:14
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J.J.Flash
Dirty Work is filler-full!
DIRTY WORK is strictly a contract filler!
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: January 26, 2016 22:29
Filler is not a song one does not like, it's a song that sounds like they did it in their sleep or... it seems that next to no thought or work went in to it, it wasn't pushed along, it's actually a bad song, it was just done because... so on that note, as much as I can't stand It's Only Rock'N'Roll (But I Like It)...
I'm not sure about before and up to BETWEEN THE BUTTONS. All of those albums could have filler on them (except AFTERMATH) but it was probably genre based filler as opposed to 'we have to do this?' filler we got later on.
THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES all songs except Citadel, 2000 Man, Rainbow and Light Years
EXILE I Just Wanna See His Face, Sweet Black Angel
GOATS HEAD SOUP Angie
IORR Luxury, Short And Curlies
SOME GIRLS Respectable
EMOTIONAL RESCUE Send It To Me, Indian Girl, maybe Where The Boys Go - that one sounds like the kind of song they just fling off...
DIRTY WORK the entire album is filler
STEEL WHEELS Hold On To Your Hat, Can't Be Seen
VOODOO You Got Me Rocking, Sparks Will Fly, Sweethearts Together
BRIDGES Already Over Me, Gunface, Always Suffering, Might As Well Get Juiced
A BIGGER BANG Streets Of Love, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy, Oh No Not You Again
I'm not sure about before and up to BETWEEN THE BUTTONS. All of those albums could have filler on them (except AFTERMATH) but it was probably genre based filler as opposed to 'we have to do this?' filler we got later on.
THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES all songs except Citadel, 2000 Man, Rainbow and Light Years
EXILE I Just Wanna See His Face, Sweet Black Angel
GOATS HEAD SOUP Angie
IORR Luxury, Short And Curlies
SOME GIRLS Respectable
EMOTIONAL RESCUE Send It To Me, Indian Girl, maybe Where The Boys Go - that one sounds like the kind of song they just fling off...
DIRTY WORK the entire album is filler
STEEL WHEELS Hold On To Your Hat, Can't Be Seen
VOODOO You Got Me Rocking, Sparks Will Fly, Sweethearts Together
BRIDGES Already Over Me, Gunface, Always Suffering, Might As Well Get Juiced
A BIGGER BANG Streets Of Love, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy, Oh No Not You Again
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: January 26, 2016 23:37
Sweet Black Angel and Angie classed as Fillers? 
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Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
BroomWagon
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Date: January 27, 2016 04:36
I get what "filler" is, one can get, say, a lot of bands' albums not to downtalk other bands but think, this doesn't have very many other good songs on it except the songs I bought the record for.
But with the Stones, "you gotta move" at the far end of side A and short and curlies, have always just been sort of there but I haven't thought of them as filler.
I'd think Between the Buttons probably should be said to have some filler, non-memorable songs imho.
But with the Stones, "you gotta move" at the far end of side A and short and curlies, have always just been sort of there but I haven't thought of them as filler.
I'd think Between the Buttons probably should be said to have some filler, non-memorable songs imho.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Anitapal82
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Date: January 27, 2016 04:51
Angie a filler ? I don't think so. Filler , the word , is ridiculous . Its someone's opinion a song is liked or worth hearing or not. Whether it was recorded at the end of a session to "fill" an album or someone doesn't like it so it's called filler. This thread is bugging me . how about a new thread, titled stones songs I don't like and those I do . I will start. I can't stand goin home off aftermath . I am also sick of hearing " we want the stones " off the got live if you want it EP, it never really gets going ! Today I am liking though hand of fate and if you can't rock me .
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
MacLaurens
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Date: January 27, 2016 09:44
Angie, Respectable and YGMR?!
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 27, 2016 09:47
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Come On
Sweet Black Angel and Angie classed as Fillers?
Of course not. Both songs are songs they put a lot of effort in making – either songwriting-wise or arrangement-wise.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: January 27, 2016 09:50
There are a couple of songs I'm not that fond of but I'd say Beggars is the only filler-free Stones album.
Beggars, Exile, Sticky, Gimme Shelter and the big singles (JJF & HTW, Miss You, Start Me Up) - that's the essential Stones. The rest is immature (the early stuff) or superfluous (thinK Dance Little Sister) or just plain crap (everything from Dirty Work onward). Three albums and some 45s - anyone who spends more than 50 bucks on this band's music is out of their head.
Beggars, Exile, Sticky, Gimme Shelter and the big singles (JJF & HTW, Miss You, Start Me Up) - that's the essential Stones. The rest is immature (the early stuff) or superfluous (thinK Dance Little Sister) or just plain crap (everything from Dirty Work onward). Three albums and some 45s - anyone who spends more than 50 bucks on this band's music is out of their head.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 27, 2016 10:21
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Swayed1967
There are a couple of songs I'm not that fond of but I'd say Beggars is the only filler-free Stones album.
Beggars, Exile, Sticky, Gimme Shelter and the big singles (JJF & HTW, Miss You, Start Me Up) - that's the essential Stones. The rest is immature (the early stuff) or superfluous (thinK Dance Little Sister) or just plain crap (everything from Dirty Work onward). Three albums and some 45s - anyone who spends more than 50 bucks on this band's music is out of their head.
The album Gimme Shelter consists of lots of what you regard «immature songs» (For instance, the tracks from Got Live If You Want It). Surely you mean Let It Bleed?
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: January 27, 2016 10:35
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Swayed1967
There are a couple of songs I'm not that fond of but I'd say Beggars is the only filler-free Stones album.
Beggars, Exile, Sticky, Gimme Shelter and the big singles (JJF & HTW, Miss You, Start Me Up) - that's the essential Stones. The rest is immature (the early stuff) or superfluous (thinK Dance Little Sister) or just plain crap (everything from Dirty Work onward). Three albums and some 45s - anyone who spends more than 50 bucks on this band's music is out of their head.
The album Gimme Shelter consists of lots of what you regard «immature songs» (For instance, the tracks from Got Live If You Want It). Surely you mean Let It Bleed?
No, I mean the song Gimme Shelter which was never released as a single (or am I wrong about that?). The rest of Let It Bleed is OK but mediocre by comparison - non-essential in my opinion but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to own LIB as well.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 27, 2016 11:00
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Swayed1967
There are a couple of songs I'm not that fond of but I'd say Beggars is the only filler-free Stones album.
Beggars, Exile, Sticky, Gimme Shelter and the big singles (JJF & HTW, Miss You, Start Me Up) - that's the essential Stones. The rest is immature (the early stuff) or superfluous (thinK Dance Little Sister) or just plain crap (everything from Dirty Work onward). Three albums and some 45s - anyone who spends more than 50 bucks on this band's music is out of their head.
The album Gimme Shelter consists of lots of what you regard «immature songs» (For instance, the tracks from Got Live If You Want It). Surely you mean Let It Bleed?
No, I mean the song Gimme Shelter which was never released as a single (or am I wrong about that?). The rest of Let It Bleed is OK but mediocre by comparison - non-essential in my opinion but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to own LIB as well.
Ah, ok, I thought you were listing up the golden albums. My bad
There is no way around Midnight Rambler and You Can't Always Get What You Want being essential Stones, though (imo, of course).
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: January 27, 2016 11:17
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DandelionPowderman
Whether songs are filler on an album depends of the nature of the album. If there are three great hits on it, there is bound to be filler as well.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: January 27, 2016 11:26
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Anitapal82
Angie a filler ? I don't think so. Filler , the word , is ridiculous . Its someone's opinion a song is liked or worth hearing or not. Whether it was recorded at the end of a session to "fill" an album or someone doesn't like it so it's called filler. This thread is bugging me . how about a new thread, titled stones songs I don't like and those I do . I will start. I can't stand goin home off aftermath . I am also sick of hearing " we want the stones " off the got live if you want it EP, it never really gets going ! Today I am liking though hand of fate and if you can't rock me .
Filler is not about whether you like the song or not. It's about whether it took some effort and has something new and fresh. Still, of course, that might be subjective to a certain extent.
But it's perfectly possible to like filler like "It's Alright" or dislike non-filler like "My Obsession".
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: January 27, 2016 11:45
Quote
matxilQuote
DandelionPowderman
Whether songs are filler on an album depends of the nature of the album. If there are three great hits on it, there is bound to be filler as well.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
So true...what song wouldn't be a filler on The Beatles album 'Help' except for some of their own songs...
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Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Witness
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Date: January 27, 2016 12:27
All this talk of "fillers" is really a kind of IORR'ian newspeak, where uninhibited subjectivism tries to cover itself under an assumed veil of pseudo-objectivity.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
BroomWagon
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Date: January 27, 2016 12:29
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Come OnQuote
matxilQuote
DandelionPowderman
Whether songs are filler on an album depends of the nature of the album. If there are three great hits on it, there is bound to be filler as well.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
So true...what song wouldn't be a filler on The Beatles album 'Help' except for some of their own songs...
An interesting comment because I was thinking of how one might apply this same question to other bands.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: January 27, 2016 14:31
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BroomWagonQuote
Come OnQuote
matxilQuote
DandelionPowderman
Whether songs are filler on an album depends of the nature of the album. If there are three great hits on it, there is bound to be filler as well.
An album like Exile, without hits, has cohesiveness and flow - hence all the songs become equally important for its wholeness.
So true...what song wouldn't be a filler on The Beatles album 'Help' except for some of their own songs...
An interesting comment because I was thinking of how one might apply this same question to other bands.
"Her Majesty" on Abbey Road of the Beatles, is filler, but it's on purpose, I think, and meant as a joke anyway.
"Good Morning" on Sgt Pepper's I would call filler too (I don't like the rest of the album either, but definitely the rest is not filler).
"Fodderstompf" on Public Image: First Issue by PIL is filler, the band itself calls it that and it clearly is. It's also absolutely great and hilarious, and for me a highlight of that album. Actually the most perfect (and rare) example of how a song can be both filler and great.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: January 27, 2016 18:00
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Come On
Sweet Black Angel and Angie classed as Fillers?
YES. I know they are dear, dear songs to some people but both of them are mindless, especially Angie.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: January 27, 2016 18:08
Quote
MacLaurens
Angie, Respectable and YGMR?!
Respectable is pedestrian by-the-numbers Chuck Berry 'oh look, we can make it fast and be like punk music but stay blues' boring. You Got Me Rocking makes Mixed Emotions seem like Gimme Shelter.
Angie... ahhhh, well, I have such a love/hate for that song. The music is brilliant, the rest of it is beyond smarm that, when I finally heard Through The Lonely Nights and Save Me - after knowing they didn't finish Waiting On A Friend and Tops - then yes, Angie is filler. Convenient filler. Atlantic wanted to release it as a single, Mick didn't. Makes me think Mick thought it was crap...
Like Angie, which is our single, is not the best track on the album, I don't think. But it doesn't matter.
- Charlie Watts, 1973
It's quite a straight schmaltzy pop tune, with the piano and string arrangement so prominent, which is probably why it was so popular in Latin countries at the time. It was definitely a change of pace for us, almost like a reaction to the harder sounds of Exile.
- Mick Jagger, 1993
[timeisonourside.com]
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
Witness
()
Date: January 27, 2016 18:58
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Come On
Sweet Black Angel and Angie classed as Fillers?
YES. I know they are dear, dear songs to some people but both of them are mindless, especially Angie.
With your list of supposed fillers, we'll leave you for hours to listen on auto repeat to "Rock And A Hard Place"! Richly deserved!
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
stanlove
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Date: January 27, 2016 19:16
Quote
GasLightStreet
Filler is not a song one does not like, it's a song that sounds like they did it in their sleep or... it seems that next to no thought or work went in to it, it wasn't pushed along, it's actually a bad song, it was just done because... so on that note, as much as I can't stand It's Only Rock'N'Roll (But I Like It)...
I'm not sure about before and up to BETWEEN THE BUTTONS. All of those albums could have filler on them (except AFTERMATH) but it was probably genre based filler as opposed to 'we have to do this?' filler we got later on.
THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES all songs except Citadel, 2000 Man, Rainbow and Light Years
EXILE I Just Wanna See His Face, Sweet Black Angel
GOATS HEAD SOUP Angie
IORR Luxury, Short And Curlies
SOME GIRLS Respectable
EMOTIONAL RESCUE Send It To Me, Indian Girl, maybe Where The Boys Go - that one sounds like the kind of song they just fling off...
DIRTY WORK the entire album is filler
STEEL WHEELS Hold On To Your Hat, Can't Be Seen
VOODOO You Got Me Rocking, Sparks Will Fly, Sweethearts Together
BRIDGES Already Over Me, Gunface, Always Suffering, Might As Well Get Juiced
A BIGGER BANG Streets Of Love, Sweet Neo Con, Infamy, Oh No Not You Again
Awful list. Angie is a filler..LOL...
I think the songs on Exile that you list are as good as most songs on the album, and Respectable? I guess besides the killer guitar and good lyrics. You should be banned for a month for that one.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: January 27, 2016 19:47
Sticky Fingers, Beggars B. and Let it bleed.
Re: Which album is the Stones' most 'filler-free'?
Posted by:
guyrachel
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Date: January 27, 2016 21:34
LET IT BLEED
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