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Probably the only song where Charlie has doubled himself on drums. It's not one track you are hearing, it is a double track.

I don't like it though that on new releases Jagger has decided to speed the track up -it is now running faster than it used to. The same with Miss You by the way.

Mathijs

I've never read that anywhere.

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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...



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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...

That was on the Wild Horses CD single from Stripped. It also had Live With Me and the brilliant Paradiso version of Gimme Shelter:

"Gimme Shelter" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Amsterdam on 26 May 1995)
"Tumbling Dice" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Paris on 3 July 1995)
"Live with Me" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in London on 19 July 1995)

About the hypnotic riff. It has to be one of the best riffs ever. I completely understand why Keith could sit on chair, feet up, and repeat it for hours. You can do that on or off drugs. It is an absolutely addictive riff. It really feels great to play it and it almost feels essential and necessary to the art of guitar playing. Almost like a standardized guitar technique that one has to master to understand the many nuances between to chords. The perfect glue between the F# and the C#.
The B-chord and the E-chord.



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Probably the only song where Charlie has doubled himself on drums. It's not one track you are hearing, it is a double track.

I don't like it though that on new releases Jagger has decided to speed the track up -it is now running faster than it used to. The same with Miss You by the way.

Mathijs

I've never read that anywhere.

I found out about MY the hard way - while recording to the track on Rarities, the dance version.

I ended up recording 8 minutes with the out of tune-track

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Probably the only song where Charlie has doubled himself on drums. It's not one track you are hearing, it is a double track.

I don't like it though that on new releases Jagger has decided to speed the track up -it is now running faster than it used to. The same with Miss You by the way.

Mathijs

I've never read that anywhere.

I found out about MY the hard way - while recording to the track on Rarities, the dance version.

I ended up recording 8 minutes with the out of tune-track

on what currently sold issues are the original version intact?

I think the sped-up versions are on the compilations. Probably to make room for more songs.

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The song needs to be sung perfectly for it to work live ...

I'd actually love to hear it without any vocals at all.
I'd follow that hypnotic riff anywhere :E

Too bad Keith never played that hypnotic rhythm part live. He left too many holes in that part, played too loosy.

That said, personally the best live version is from 1995, from Wild Horses single/Stripped. It has the best tempo.

But no other version beats the studio album version!

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The song needs to be sung perfectly for it to work live ...

I'd actually love to hear it without any vocals at all.
I'd follow that hypnotic riff anywhere :E

Too bad Keith never played that hypnotic rhythm part live. He left too many holes in that part, played too loosy.

That said, personally the best live version is from 1995, from Wild Horses single/Stripped. It has the best tempo.

But no other version beats the studio album version!

i think they all failed on the live versions - keith, the second guitarist, mick, etc. but i don't like any of the live version, which puts me in the minority.

Not one of my favorites.

Boring to me.

I guess I'm in the minority.

Tumbling Dice Brussels Affair 1973. Best live version I've ever heard. Rolling Stones at their best. Well to my old ears!


[youtu.be]

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Probably the only song where Charlie has doubled himself on drums. It's not one track you are hearing, it is a double track.

I don't like it though that on new releases Jagger has decided to speed the track up -it is now running faster than it used to. The same with Miss You by the way.

Mathijs

I've never read that anywhere.

First half was Charlie's double track, and after the breakdown in middle, Jimmy Miller played, said Andy Johns.

Let’s talk about “Tumbling Dice.”
Andy Johns: Obviously it was going to be great but it was a big struggle. Eventually we get a take. Hooray! I thought, ‘Let’s kick this up a notch and double track Charlie.’ ‘Oh, we’ve never done that before.’ ‘Well, it doesn’t mean we can’t do it now.’ So we double-tracked Charlie but he couldn’t play the ending. For some reason he got a mental block about the ending. So Jimmy Miller plays from the breakdown on out that was very easy to punch in. It was a little bit different than some of the others. That song we did more takes than anything else.

Full article:http://www.goldminemag.com

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Tumbling Dice Brussels Affair 1973. Best live version I've ever heard. Rolling Stones at their best. Well to my old ears!


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No need for back-up singers with those gorgeous guitars--- Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman-
best live I've heard of the song too-

i must be the only one who doesn't like the brussels affair tumbling dice that much. like miss you and gimme shelter, i think the track has never really been done as well live as it was in the studio.

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i must be the only one who doesn't like the brussels affair tumbling dice that much. like miss you and gimme shelter, i think the track has never really been done as well live as it was in the studio.

Along with 90% of their other material historically speaking and 100% of the modern shows. As much as I love Stones concerts, take their average set list in 2015 and do a comparison for yourself. I can't find a single tune I don't prefer the studio cut.

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i must be the only one who doesn't like the brussels affair tumbling dice that much. like miss you and gimme shelter, i think the track has never really been done as well live as it was in the studio.

Along with 90% of their other material historically speaking and 100% of the modern shows. As much as I love Stones concerts, take their average set list in 2015 and do a comparison for yourself. I can't find a single tune I don't prefer the studio cut.

You're a wise man Naturalust but that's not a popular opinion. ANd to paraphrase the great Doobie Michael McDonald: not even a wise man can remedy what a fool believes...Live, the Stones are charismatic hacks.

I understand the primordial joy of dancing and screaming at concerts but apart from ‘Going To A Go Go’ I don’t see much point in merely listening to their live stuff in my living room. The Greatest Rock N’ Roll Band in the...Studio, The Rolling Stones!!!



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Let me just add that (the studio version of) Tumbling Dice is pure magic. I rate it the sixth best song in their catalogue but the ending is unsurpassed.

But sometimes I listens to:





Greatest Live-stuff on Earth...

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That song actually got me lost in the rolling stones....:-)
Though I didn't know a lot about the rcording. It comes to me as a surprise: Is that right MT is not playing any guitar parts.

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The song needs to be sung perfectly for it to work live ...

I'd actually love to hear it without any vocals at all.
I'd follow that hypnotic riff anywhere :E

Too bad Keith never played that hypnotic rhythm part live. He left too many holes in that part, played too loosy.

That said, personally the best live version is from 1995, from Wild Horses single/Stripped. It has the best tempo.

But no other version beats the studio album version!

But he did.

[www.youtube.com]

the studio version is a masterpiece to me.

Keith's intro is gorgeous, maybe his best, and Mick's singing is one of his best vocal performance accompanied by great background vocals too.
I probably played a thousand times the guitar intro but have never been able to have this unique guitar sound which is extremely warm.

I like to play it very loud and invite all beginners to learn to play that special riff.

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The song needs to be sung perfectly for it to work live ...

I'd actually love to hear it without any vocals at all.
I'd follow that hypnotic riff anywhere :E

Too bad Keith never played that hypnotic rhythm part live. He left too many holes in that part, played too loosy.

That said, personally the best live version is from 1995, from Wild Horses single/Stripped. It has the best tempo.

But no other version beats the studio album version!

But he did.

[www.youtube.com]

Wow, indeed he did! Then I must be confused with more recent performances?

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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...

That was on the Wild Horses CD single from Stripped. It also had Live With Me and the brilliant Paradiso version of Gimme Shelter:

"Gimme Shelter" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Amsterdam on 26 May 1995)
"Tumbling Dice" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Paris on 3 July 1995)
"Live with Me" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in London on 19 July 1995)

On the Stripped Companion boot as well as Rarities.

"No Anchovies, Please"

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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...

That was on the Wild Horses CD single from Stripped. It also had Live With Me and the brilliant Paradiso version of Gimme Shelter:

"Gimme Shelter" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Amsterdam on 26 May 1995)
"Tumbling Dice" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Paris on 3 July 1995)
"Live with Me" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in London on 19 July 1995)

As much as I love the beginning, that's the single most disappointing release the Stones ever had. It starts out like a fantastic soulful impromptu jam -- and instead of giving us the entire song with that beauty, that had to cut it off and insert the same-old same-old live version. Makes me want to scream! They never know when they have a great thing!

One of my multitude of problems with the entire Stipped release, and why it is near the bottom of my Stones album list!

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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...

That was on the Wild Horses CD single from Stripped. It also had Live With Me and the brilliant Paradiso version of Gimme Shelter:

"Gimme Shelter" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Amsterdam on 26 May 1995)
"Tumbling Dice" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Paris on 3 July 1995)
"Live with Me" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in London on 19 July 1995)

As much as I love the beginning, that's the single most disappointing release the Stones ever had. It starts out like a fantastic soulful impromptu jam -- and instead of giving us the entire song with that beauty, that had to cut it off and insert the same-old same-old live version. Makes me want to scream! They never know when they have a great thing!

One of my multitude of problems with the entire Stipped release, and why it is near the bottom of my Stones album list!

I thought I was the only one that felt that way about that version. It's starts off really growing and poof right back to the same old version we all know. It's kinda anti-climatic.

I had forgotten about it, and regret being reminded about it. No idea why they let that be released like that.

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It starts out like a fantastic soulful impromptu jam

Stay quiet! It was only a Jagger dress rehearsal with with Chuck and Bernard, not really a Stones jam...

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Maybe someone here can help me remember where that version of this song is that starts with just Chuck and the piano and everyone singing along and clapping jug band style then morphs into a full band version. Video from some rehearsal studio to begin with. Much thanks.

That B-side was fantastic. I really dug it. It was fast, too. The pre-show warm up edited on to the front...

That was on the Wild Horses CD single from Stripped. It also had Live With Me and the brilliant Paradiso version of Gimme Shelter:

"Gimme Shelter" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Amsterdam on 26 May 1995)
"Tumbling Dice" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in Paris on 3 July 1995)
"Live with Me" ("Wild Horses" single) (live in London on 19 July 1995)

As much as I love the beginning, that's the single most disappointing release the Stones ever had. It starts out like a fantastic soulful impromptu jam -- and instead of giving us the entire song with that beauty, that had to cut it off and insert the same-old same-old live version. Makes me want to scream! They never know when they have a great thing!

One of my multitude of problems with the entire Stipped release, and why it is near the bottom of my Stones album list!

I thought I was the only one that felt that way about that version. It's starts off really growing and poof right back to the same old version we all know. It's kinda anti-climatic.

Yeah it's nice to see there is some common sentiment about that version. It's strange that it has the opposite effect as intended! Anti-climatic is a good description. They really could have made it special by keeping it soulful and acoustic and slowly adding guitars, bass and other instruments..that would have been awesome. As soon as the whole band kicks it with that lousy edit it makes you feel like the song was just hijacked!

Hey - it works as intended on me! I love it when the whole band kicks in
I guess I'm just putty in the Rolling Stones' hands ... which is fine with me :E

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Hey - it works as intended on me! I love it when the whole band kicks in
I guess I'm just putty in the Rolling Stones' hands ... which is fine with me :E

Of course it worked. Incredibly energic version, i.o.