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crumbling_mice
I think speculating about who could or should produce the next Stones album is a little premature. I'm more concerned about the dreadful songs they are likely to record. If it is anything like the last two Stones albums then they may as well get a deaf monkey to produce it because it will be pointless.

Unless some miracle occurs and jagger and Richards actually get together for an extended period to write something and it's something with more than the usual 5 string suspended chord riffs which have been recycled a million times, then it is largely going to be another ABB, which was simply dreadful and embarrasing at the same time.

Ronnie has consistently proved to be the better song writer over the last decade and maybe they should collaborate with him more. I think Keith's new offering could have been massively improved with Ronnie's input.

The days of great Stones albums are long long gone and whilst they can still put on a great show, for these few remaining years they should quit recording new material which only sells to the faithful fools like us.

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KRiffhard
Poor songs like 'Sweet neo con' or 'Look what the cat...' would have been the same even with the best producer of all time!

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crumbling_mice
I think speculating about who could or should produce the next Stones album is a little premature. I'm more concerned about the dreadful songs they are likely to record. If it is anything like the last two Stones albums then they may as well get a deaf monkey to produce it because it will be pointless.

Unless some miracle occurs and jagger and Richards actually get together for an extended period to write something and it's something with more than the usual 5 string suspended chord riffs which have been recycled a million times, then it is largely going to be another ABB, which was simply dreadful and embarrasing at the same time.

Ronnie has consistently proved to be the better song writer over the last decade and maybe they should collaborate with him more. I think Keith's new offering could have been massively improved with Ronnie's input.

The days of great Stones albums are long long gone and whilst they can still put on a great show, for these few remaining years they should quit recording new material which only sells to the faithful fools like us.

I think it's important to get a guy who dares tell them that they can do better. Jack White, as I've read, is one of those guys. So bring him on.
It'd be nice if they surprised us with something that's not usual. Like for example no Keith songs, a 10 track album, precious few rockers, 1 or 2 open G songs, a cover song and a Ronnie tune.
Keith has had at least 1 song per album since what? Some Girls? Break that tradition. All albums since Steel Wheels has been a tad too long. Break that tradition too. The best Stones albums has only a few rockers. Emulate that, to make them stand out in contrast to slower songs. Most Stones albums from the past 25 years has a lot of open g songs. Break that tradition. There's been no covers on albums since Dirty Work. Let's have a Berry song lads. And let Ronnie do one.
Oh, and let Keith do a piano song, and in general have the 4 of them do various things like percussion and bass duties.
We're thinking outside the box here. Have JW to make sure the writings up to standard, and then I'm sure we'll get a good one.

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DoomandGloom
I would be interested in a Ric Ruben style production like he did with Johnny Cash. Not the cover idea but the seriousness and sparseness Ruben conveys.

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I would be interested in a Ric Ruben style production like he did with Johnny Cash. Not the cover idea but the seriousness and sparseness Ruben conveys.

...and like he did with Mick on Wandering Spirit.

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I would not consider "Look What The Cat Dragged In" as a poor song. Indeed it´s one of the best and most powerful songs you can find on ABB, imo.

ABB isn´t bad at all. I like it more than any other post-DW-production. The album got it´s share of fillers, tough. And it´s got Street Of Love, which always makes me feel ashamed for Mick n Keith. Ashamed for Mick writing such crap and ashamed for Keith letting Mick get away with that. Besides that, the album should satisfy the needs of most Stones-fans.

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crumbling_mice
I think speculating about who could or should produce the next Stones album is a little premature. I'm more concerned about the dreadful songs they are likely to record. If it is anything like the last two Stones albums then they may as well get a deaf monkey to produce it because it will be pointless.

Unless some miracle occurs and jagger and Richards actually get together for an extended period to write something and it's something with more than the usual 5 string suspended chord riffs which have been recycled a million times, then it is largely going to be another ABB, which was simply dreadful and embarrasing at the same time.

Ronnie has consistently proved to be the better song writer over the last decade and maybe they should collaborate with him more. I think Keith's new offering could have been massively improved with Ronnie's input.

The days of great Stones albums are long long gone and whilst they can still put on a great show, for these few remaining years they should quit recording new material which only sells to the faithful fools like us.[/quote

I think it's important to get a guy who dares tell them that they can do better. Jack White, as I've read, is one of those guys. So bring him on.
It'd be nice if they surprised us with something that's not usual. Like for example no Keith songs, a 10 track album, precious few rockers, 1 or 2 open G songs, a cover song and a Ronnie tune.
Keith has had at least 1 song per album since what? Some Girls? Break that tradition. All albums since Steel Wheels has been a tad too long. Break that tradition too. The best Stones albums has only a few rockers. Emulate that, to make them stand out in contrast to slower songs. Most Stones albums from the past 25 years has a lot of open g songs. Break that tradition. There's been no covers on albums since Dirty Work. Let's have a Berry song lads. And let Ronnie do one.
Oh, and let Keith do a piano song, and in general have the 4 of them do various things like percussion and bass duties.
We're thinking outside the box here. Have JW to make sure the writings up to standard, and then I'm sure we'll get a good one.

Great post, you've persauded me that there is still a possible last classic Stones album. I'm sick to death of hearing that 5 string suspended chord ...Keith's owned that sound but he has other weapons in his armoury which are getting overlooked in favour of the formulaic...I'd love to hear him given a piano number or another Chuck Berry like Nadine. Why do I think it won't happen?

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Have JW to make sure the writings up to standard, and then I'm sure we'll get a good one.

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HMS
I would not consider "Look What The Cat Dragged In" as a poor song. Indeed it´s one of the best and most powerful songs you can find on ABB, imo.

ABB isn´t bad at all. I like it more than any other post-DW-production. The album got it´s share of fillers, tough. And it´s got Street Of Love, which always makes me feel ashamed for Mick n Keith. Ashamed for Mick writing such crap and ashamed for Keith letting Mick get away with that. Besides that, the album should satisfy the needs of most Stones-fans.

LWTCDI is a powerful song?

I guess that means One More Shot is the new millennium's equivalent of Gimme Shelter.

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HMS
I would not consider "Look What The Cat Dragged In" as a poor song. Indeed it´s one of the best and most powerful songs you can find on ABB, imo.

ABB isn´t bad at all. I like it more than any other post-DW-production. The album got it´s share of fillers, tough. And it´s got Street Of Love, which always makes me feel ashamed for Mick n Keith. Ashamed for Mick writing such crap and ashamed for Keith letting Mick get away with that. Besides that, the album should satisfy the needs of most Stones-fans.

LWTCDI is a powerful song?

I guess that means One More Shot is the new millennium's equivalent of Gimme Shelter.

So LWTCDI is NOT a powerful song?
I´m lost for words.

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Sadly, Mick clashed with Rick Rubin and took it all into his own hands for the most part...
the results were pretty much as expected - inferior.

Ruben might even refuse after his previous experience with Mick.



Rick Ruben/Johnny Cash

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Naturalust
And if they're not what's JW going to say? "Go back to the drawing board guys, these songs suck". "Come back when you have some better material" LOL

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bassaleman
If the Stones were considering a change, Jack would be a very interesting choice.

Jack White is into old time blues. He is in multiple great bands. He makes interesting instruments out of cigar boxes and broom sticks...He has done some really interesting things with Neil Young. He can play killer guitar.

Honestly , this would be a great matchup and we would all get a really rocking album.

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If the Stones were considering a change, Jack would be a very interesting choice.

Jack White is into old time blues. He is in multiple great bands. He makes interesting instruments out of cigar boxes and broom sticks...He has done some really interesting things with Neil Young. He can play killer guitar.

Honestly , this would be a great matchup and we would all get a really rocking album.

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crumbling_mice
I think speculating about who could or should produce the next Stones album is a little premature. I'm more concerned about the dreadful songs they are likely to record. If it is anything like the last two Stones albums then they may as well get a deaf monkey to produce it because it will be pointless.

Unless some miracle occurs and jagger and Richards actually get together for an extended period to write something and it's something with more than the usual 5 string suspended chord riffs which have been recycled a million times, then it is largely going to be another ABB, which was simply dreadful and embarrasing at the same time.

Ronnie has consistently proved to be the better song writer over the last decade and maybe they should collaborate with him more. I think Keith's new offering could have been massively improved with Ronnie's input.

The days of great Stones albums are long long gone and whilst they can still put on a great show, for these few remaining years they should quit recording new material which only sells to the faithful fools like us.[/quote

I think it's important to get a guy who dares tell them that they can do better. Jack White, as I've read, is one of those guys. So bring him on.
It'd be nice if they surprised us with something that's not usual. Like for example no Keith songs, a 10 track album, precious few rockers, 1 or 2 open G songs, a cover song and a Ronnie tune.
Keith has had at least 1 song per album since what? Some Girls? Break that tradition. All albums since Steel Wheels has been a tad too long. Break that tradition too. The best Stones albums has only a few rockers. Emulate that, to make them stand out in contrast to slower songs. Most Stones albums from the past 25 years has a lot of open g songs. Break that tradition. There's been no covers on albums since Dirty Work. Let's have a Berry song lads. And let Ronnie do one.
Oh, and let Keith do a piano song, and in general have the 4 of them do various things like percussion and bass duties.
We're thinking outside the box here. Have JW to make sure the writings up to standard, and then I'm sure we'll get a good one.

Great post, you've persauded me that there is still a possible last classic Stones album. I'm sick to death of hearing that 5 string suspended chord ...Keith's owned that sound but he has other weapons in his armoury which are getting overlooked in favour of the formulaic...I'd love to hear him given a piano number or another Chuck Berry like Nadine. Why do I think it won't happen?

This is just what I think should happen. A lot of things would have to come together for us to get this. But JW is certainly a step in the right direction, and time is of the essence since this one is very likely to be their last hurrah album-wise.

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bassaleman
we would all get a really rocking album.