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Unofficial "lets get warmed up to whine about the new Stones album coming out soon, cuz it will suck"

Whining about whiners always comes across as humorous and ironic.

The IORRICS (irony confirmation squad) has long since left the building, but I am pretty sure they would confirm that is not irony... or ironic... maybe humorous, but not ironic.

Lol, well it's kind of like people who snore loudly complaining about other people who snore - irony or not, it is amusing.

Well if someone constantly posted on FPWS.org, a website for "Fans of People Who Snore", and did nothing but bitch moan and complain about people who snore, and whine about the way they snore, and cry about the way they always have the same snore... and how they have not made a good snore since that one snorer quit snoring... it would be odd.

I mean if some hates all things snoring, why post all the time on website designed for fans of snoring about how much they hate snoring now. They might as well go post on the sleep apnea website, the night sweats website, the night terrors website... or some other place where they actually enjoy the topic at hand.

Understood.

At the same time, some snorers are louder than others, and there's lots of nuances that can be discussed amongst all the other snorers on a "Fans of People Who Snore" website. For example, some have a calm and steady flow that can be comforting to some, while others burst out with an abrupt and offensive loud snore that's totally out of rhythm with everything. A major disruption, and something that is considered a health issue. Seems fair that all of this should be open to discussion, but then there's the problem of the non-snoring trolls who infiltrate the Snorers website causing nothing but trouble - here lies the real problem.

Yup... and those non-snoring trolls are already lining up, per-writing their boiler plate negative comments about the upcoming album, ready to bash on it no matter how good it is. They will bash on the songs, the production, the vidoes... the same old sshite they always do. Those damned non-snorers should just stick to beatles and u2 websites... they know they hate the Stones... errr I mean.. the snores.

I haven't read ever single post in this thread but I don't see trolling going on Just spirited discussion/debate over the merit of later-era songs.

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I haven't read ever single post in this thread but I don't see trolling going on Just spirited discussion/debate over the merit of later-era songs.

Indeed.

After all, not all Stones fans absolutely love every single thing the band (or a particular band member) has done.
If that was the case, we all might as well hold hands together and sing Kumbaya in perfect harmony.

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All I know is that Steel Wheels is the last Stones studio effort that I put on from time to time. I never put on Undercover (don't even own it), or Dirty Work, or Voodoobabylonbang. (Although Dirty Work has the magnificent Harlem Shuffle). Blinded By Love is wonderful, and Mick sings great on it. Only Can't Be Seen and Sad, Sad, Sad are throwaways.

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I haven't read ever single post in this thread but I don't see trolling going on Just spirited discussion/debate over the merit of later-era songs.

Indeed.

After all, not all Stones fans absolutely love every single thing the band (or a particular band member) has done.
If that was the case, we all might as well hold hands together and sing Kumbaya in perfect harmony.

You were the one who used the word troll HB.

And there is not much spirited debate... it is more just bashing. Not really trolling as much as just disliking the band and going on and on and on and on about it. Dwelling on it. Dwelling on what some see as bad things and wasting so much time saying it, over and over and over... basically "pre-gaming" prepping in anticipation to do the same when the new album comes out.

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I haven't read ever single post in this thread but I don't see trolling going on Just spirited discussion/debate over the merit of later-era songs.

Indeed.

After all, not all Stones fans absolutely love every single thing the band (or a particular band member) has done.
If that was the case, we all might as well hold hands together and sing Kumbaya in perfect harmony.

You were the one who used the word troll HB.

And there is not much spirited debate... it is more just bashing. Not really trolling as much as just disliking the band and going on and on and on and on about it. Dwelling on it. Dwelling on what some see as bad things and wasting so much time saying it, over and over and over... basically "pre-gaming" prepping in anticipation to do the same when the new album comes out.

I used the word troll describing outsiders who have absolutely zero interest in the Stones and infiltrate the board for the sole purpose of causing disruption. I haven't seen any of that lately. When a topic comes up regarding one of the Stones' weakest albums (according to many) then of course there will be some negative comments. There's no way you will get all Stones fans to be in 100% agreement on everything (which would be unrealistic and boring), so there will be differing opinions on many topics. One mans junk is another mans treasure. I like Crosseyed Heart, many don't. I don't think Ronnie's a great guitar player, others worship him. Some might see setlist discussions as whining, while others find it interesting to read individual wish lists. Etc., etc., etc.

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I don't waste my time if/when I dont like something, like the freekin garbage that is Haulinoats. Those guys put out nothing nothing but a bunch of bubble gum trash bag crap. But would I spend time saying that in the haulinoats thread? Nope. Why would I?

As if "spirited debate" would ever gave insight to someone who liked them.

If someone likes them, good for them. I don't care if they wish that Justin Beiber had a twin and they made albums together, because that is what haulinaots sounds like... Pretty boy polished turd pop songs which are overproduced sickeningly sweet sugar coated crap.

But never in a zillion years would I go to the haulinoats website and post that "spirited debate", I wont even go to the haulinoats thread and say that. I am not gonna spoil their fun if they like that crap, why would I?


As far as Steel Wheels... it is typical mix of great Stones songs along with some mediocre ones... I focus on the great ones. I listen to all Stones albums all the time depending on my mood... and I skip songs on every album. I like Steel Wheels for the great times and great memories of THE STONES ARE BACK!!!! NEW ALBUM!!! NEW TOUR!!! LETS GO!!! And we did go. I saw them 6 times on that tour and it was awesome. I love that album. Good times.

....so It was a great day outside. Got on the motorcycle and took a ride by the ocean with my iPhone full of Stones.

"Memory Motel" was a no-brainer to play as I drove by the beach, with the waves crashing on the shore. I saw a very sexy women in a bathing suit walking on the esplanade so I played "Bitch" with the lyrics "sometimes I'm sexy, move like a stud, like kicking the stall all night" racing through my mind as I admired her feminine charms.

I stopped and got a coffee. I saw a young couple engaged in a public display of drama. "Ooh, making love and breaking hearts, it is a game for youth." I had a couple smokes and drank my coffee to "Waiting On A Friend."

Leaving the strip I craved an upbeat rocker. Gave Siri the order and she played "You Got Me Rocking" as I twisted the throttle.

"Casino Boogie" grooved me through traffic. Heading home Siri played "Mercy Mercy", "Down Home Girl" and "Miss You".

Some like this, some like that. Me? It's only rock 'n roll but I like it all.

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That's right, man.

The Stones just might live forever but I won't, so I might as well enjoy it all while I can

If we can't have a good ol' Steel wheels vs. Dirty Work discussion, then what is the world coming to?

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I don't waste my time if/when I dont like something, like the freekin garbage that is Haulinoats. Those guys put out nothing nothing but a bunch of bubble gum trash bag crap. But would I spend time saying that in the haulinoats thread? Nope. Why would I?

As if "spirited debate" would ever gave insight to someone who liked them.

If someone likes them, good for them. I don't care if they wish that Justin Beiber had a twin and they made albums together, because that is what haulinaots sounds like... Pretty boy polished turd pop songs which are overproduced sickeningly sweet sugar coated crap.

But never in a zillion years would I go to the haulinoats website and post that "spirited debate", I wont even go to the haulinoats thread and say that. I am not gonna spoil their fun if they like that crap, why would I?


As far as Steel Wheels... it is typical mix of great Stones songs along with some mediocre ones... I focus on the great ones. I listen to all Stones albums all the time depending on my mood... and I skip songs on every album. I like Steel Wheels for the great times and great memories of THE STONES ARE BACK!!!! NEW ALBUM!!! NEW TOUR!!! LETS GO!!! And we did go. I saw them 6 times on that tour and it was awesome. I love that album. Good times.

Being this is a Stones site, any topic related to the Stones will be filled with a variety of differing opinions. I don't know of anyone here who absolutely hates everything the Stone have done in 55 years, just like there's no one here who absolutely loves everything they've ever done (well maybe there's a few of those). But because there's so much history, not everyone will agree with every step of the way. It's an open forum, and I try and see any differing opinions more along the lines of a friendly debate/discussion amongst fellow fans around the world. Not that anyone or anything will change my mind, but I might see things differently and it's interesting to read all perspectives - the good, the bad, and the ugly. Some only love the Brian era for example, but that doesn't make them any lesser of a Stones fan imo. Should they only be allowed to post in Brian related threads in a positive manner? I don't think so. There will be positive or negative opinions on just about everything Stones related, and those who have a reasonable gripe shouldn't be categorized as "whiners" simply because they see things differently. Unless it's a repetitive constant bashing, whats the harm? It's admirable you choose to only see the positives in everything, but others like to debate and exchange ideas in hopefully a civilized fashion.

As for Haulinoats lol. I see no harm in you expressing why you don't like them in that thread, but calling what they put out nothing nothing but a bunch of bubble gum trash bag crap might be a bit extreme. If you gave the reasons why you think that though, it might be enlightening to some. Maybe you don't like their voices, or the way they dress, or the sappiness of some of their tunes? Pretty sure most people can handle a variety of differing and/or dissenting opinions, and doubt anyone would take it personally. Or maybe you just don't want to waste your time and rain on the parade of some sensitive Hall and Oats fans...that's your choice.

ps - Glad you like Steel Wheels and the memories it provides for you. I also enjoyed the tour, but the album not so much.

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Or maybe you just don't want to waste your time and rain on the parade of some sensitive Hall and Oats fans...that's your choice.

Yeah, I don't see any sense in pissing on that camp fire, or raining on their parade, if they dig em I say good for them. I also understand the concept they sold a shiton of albums so there is shiton for people who love them... and nothing I say would, or should, alter that.

As for the rest of it...

Some people here do nothing but whine about the Stones, they say very few good words about them about the band. Not everyone , but some.... and all they ever do is rag rag nag nag bag bag... if it was balanced I would not chime in... but when it is too one sided I do.

And it is ironic... actually it is not ironic... but it is humorous... maybe... when anyone here tries to claim or complain that anyone else here (besides Dirty Harry)(He can lay down the law) can dictate what can said. The world is not coming to anything, anyone can say anything, and they usually do... and it is usually negative.



Steel Wheels rocks... it is a typical Stones album and I love it ( and maybe I love it because after many listens I start to always skip over the songs that are not so good, as I do on every Stones album.

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As far as Steel Wheels... it is typical mix of great Stones songs along with some mediocre ones... .

What do you mean there are mediocre songs on this album. Geez, some people just can't see that everything the Stones do is awesome. You never, ever skip a Stones song.

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As far as Steel Wheels... it is typical mix of great Stones songs along with some mediocre ones... .

What do you mean there are mediocre songs on this album. Geez, some people just can't see that everything the Stones do is awesome. You never, ever skip a Stones song.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say,
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Or maybe you just don't want to waste your time and rain on the parade of some sensitive Hall and Oats fans...that's your choice.

Yeah, I don't see any sense in pissing on that camp fire, or raining on their parade, if they dig em I say good for them. I also understand the concept they sold a shiton of albums so there is shiton for people who love them... and nothing I say would, or should, alter that.

As for the rest of it...

Some people here do nothing but whine about the Stones, they say very few good words about them about the band. Not everyone , but some.... and all they ever do is rag rag nag nag bag bag... if it was balanced I would not chime in... but when it is too one sided I do.

And it is ironic... actually it is not ironic... but it is humorous... maybe... when anyone here tries to claim or complain that anyone else here (besides Dirty Harry)(He can lay down the law) can dictate what can said. The world is not coming to anything, anyone can say anything, and they usually do... and it is usually negative.



Steel Wheels rocks... it is a typical Stones album and I love it ( and maybe I love it because after many listens I start to always skip over the songs that are not so good, as I do on every Stones album.

Cheers Hank.

By the way, what do you think of the new Jagger singles? Is it a yea or a nay? Or maybe somewhere in between?


ps - The Hall and oats thread could really use some of your insights right now as it's currently turning in to a snooze/lovey dovey fest right now.

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And it is ironic... actually it is not ironic... but it is humorous... maybe... when anyone here tries to claim or complain that anyone else here (besides Dirty Harry)(He can lay down the law) can dictate what can said. The world is not coming to anything, anyone can say anything, and they usually do... and it is usually negative.

Hank, if your referring to my last post It was a joke. When I said "what is the world coming to" I am acknowledging that debating Dirty work and Steel Wheels is just nitpicking over the really fine points. There are obviously more important things to talk about. Even though I don't think there's anything wrong with that discussion, I"m just poking a little fun at myself...



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By the way, what do you think of the new Jagger singles? Is it a yea or a nay? Or maybe somewhere in between?


ps - The Hall and oats thread could really use some of your insights right now as it's currently turning in to a snooze/lovey dovey fest right now.

Maybe the MJ songs will grow on me but right now they sound OK.
They sound mostly like they were created written produced to be used in a commercial selling cars beer cigarettes or used as a movie sound track or something... that opinion might be biased and influenced by me thinking Mick needs to be 110%fukingfocusing on getting the new ROLLING STONES album completed and released NOT screwing around with solo stuff!

But of course he can do what he wants... I trust him and I am sure he has his good reasons... and I support him in what ever he thinks best.


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I think loveydovey threads are fine... let em enjoy it. Not every thread needs a Dr Smith.

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By the way, what do you think of the new Jagger singles? Is it a yea or a nay? Or maybe somewhere in between?


ps - The Hall and oats thread could really use some of your insights right now as it's currently turning in to a snooze/lovey dovey fest right now.

Maybe the MJ songs will grow on me but right now they sound OK.
They sound mostly like they were created written produced to be used in a commercial selling cars beer cigarettes or used as a movie sound track or something... that opinion might be biased and influenced by me thinking Mick needs to be 110%fukingfocusing on getting the new ROLLING STONES album completed and released NOT screwing around with solo stuff!

But of course he can do what he wants... I trust him and I am sure he has his good reasons... and I support him in what ever he thinks best.


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I think loveydovey threads are fine... let em enjoy it. Not every thread needs a Dr Smith.

As a participant in the Hall and Oats lovey dovey thread, I would welcome your critique and insights- maybe something to spice things up a bit! But I understand you don't want to make waves.

As for your opinion on Jaggers new solo..."to be used in a commercial selling cars beer cigarettes"...a little harsh don't you think? Do I sense a bit of whining?




Lol just kidding!!!

It's only rock and roll...

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As for your opinion on Jaggers new solo..."to be used in a commercial selling cars beer cigarettes"...a little harsh don't you think? Do I sense a bit of whining?


Lol just kidding!!!

It's only rock and roll...

Got me! lol

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Even if kidding... and if it was whining... and maybe it was... it really wasn't because you asked. If no one had asked my opinion I would not have whined at all, I would not have said a word, as I didn't in the thread about it.

Whining is more when someone is feeling all uppity, as if the world owes them something, and they are feeling pissy and unhappy so they show up here out of the blue and start whining about how something yaada yadda yadda... and it sucks because blah blah... and it has sucked since wha wha wha. There is a lot of that around here.


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Good ole Mick can do what he wants and/or not do what he wants and I am OK with it. He has blessed me with more good stuff than most people on this planet and I don't even know him personally (probably a good thing)... but more good stuff would be nice... and the sooner the better.

I hear you Hank.
Even if I could erase every stink bomb the Stones have released - especially in the last 35+ years - they've still given me a lifetime and more of great memories. And if you add in every single bootleg - especially those from the Mick Taylor era (including his recent guest appearances), there's more joy than misery to listen to. As for live shows, from 1981 to the more recent Desert Trips shows , I've seen and experienced so many fun shows with only a few duds here and there that I no longer have the urge to see them any more at this late point in the game. *The last show I saw was the Vegas show aka the Sick Mick show which I tend not to count as a full on Stones show due to shortened setlist and Mick being sick. Hoping for a new album of originals, otherwise I'm content with living in the past - there's 55 years of stuff to wade through, and it's a seemingly endless supply of joy and memories for the most part. After the Beatles, the Stones will always be number one in my book.

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ROCK AND ROLLING STONES!!!

Good times, great music!

STONES!!!

Almost Hear Ya Sigh, RAAHP and Slipping Away are modern day classics with an honourable mention to Break The Spell. And then we have Hearts For Sale and Blinded By Love who saves ya every time the chicks realize they gotta leave ya!

Only song I skip is Mick's(ed) Emotions (one mans tea...)

I wish it were as easy as knocking glasses and saying 'Rock N Roll, man!' to forgive the Stones for trashing their legacy. Their earlier work is just too powerful for me to praise Steel Wheels with a straight face. It's mediocre at best.

Sad Sad Sad – Should’ve called this one Open G Open G Open G or maybe Autopilot Autopilot Autopilot or maybe just Really Sad or Really Really Sad...

Mixed Emotions – Best song on the album but already heard most of it on Keith’s solo record. There are times during the chorus when Mick sounds more canine than human. I like dogs but I have mixed emotions about hearing them woof on records.

Terrifying – Mick in the skin of a lion, snake, dog, goat, bird, fox, cat, ox (to rhyme with fox), rat, deer, swan, bat, bear, mare and of course the horny hog: 15 animals, one stinking zoo of a song. Mick, Mick, Mick...the greatness of many a Stones classic is thanks to your fine lyrics. Can you explain why you’ve become such a hack?

Hold On To Your Hat – Keith obviously didn’t hold on to his and Mick crapped in it. This rollicking uptempo number had potential – it should be more memorable than it is – but Mick didn’t give a sh*t or crap about the lyrics (again).

Hearts For Sale – This could be one of the better tracks – can’t say I remember it though.

Blinded By Love – ‘Love’ is not a seven-syllable word, Mick! Apart from that the song is so bad it really doesn’t merit discussion. If you like this song all I can do is envy you.

Rock And A Hard Place – If I have to say something positive about this song, I guess like Mick’s hair in the video and the way he moves his elbows. It was released as a single...because there wasn’t much to choose from. Few people like it. Those are the sad sad sad facts.

Can’t Be Seen – Boring as hell and yet it’s one of the least offensive songs on the album.

Almost Hear You Sigh – Somebody said this should’ve been released as the first single...as if that would’ve made an iota of difference to anything. Average ballad. I remember the cringe-worthy video with Keith straining to look cool whereas in the past it had been so effortless.

Continental Drift – Hated it upon it’s release, still don’t love it but acknowledge it’s the most interesting track.

Break The Spell – This could be one of the better tracks – can’t say I remember it though.

Slipping Away – Probably my favorite cut on SW, a solid 7 out of 10.

Overall I don’t understand how anyone can call this a good album. Some people say certain songs bring back memories which I get – one guy said RAAHP reminded him of an ugly woman with a nice figure and (don’t ask me why but) this is a precious memory for him. Good for him, but it still doesn’t make it a good album. If Brown Sugar had be playing when he met that girl, and if she were pretty and he had banged her, then it would probably be an even better memory.

I love the Stones but the quality of their music has dropped precipitously since Tattoo You. Undercover was worse than Tattoo You, Dirty Work was worse than Undercover, Steel Wheels was just as bad as Dirty Work and the post-SW albums aren’t to be taken seriously. It’s not the Stones anymore IMO, it’s a brand and cheap knock-off of the original.



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I wish it were as easy as knocking glasses and saying 'Rock N Roll, man!' to forgive the Stones for trashing their legacy. Their earlier work is just too powerful for me to praise Steel Wheels with a straight face. It's mediocre at best.

Sad Sad Sad – Should’ve called this one Open G Open G Open G or maybe Autopilot Autopilot Autopilot or maybe just Really Sad or Really Really Sad...

Mixed Emotions – Best song on the album but already heard most of it on Keith’s solo record. There are times during the chorus when Mick sounds more canine than human. I like dogs but I have mixed emotions about hearing them woof on records.

Terrifying – Mick in the skin of a lion, snake, dog, goat, bird, fox, cat, ox (to rhyme with fox), rat, deer, swan, bat, bear, mare and of course the horny hog: 15 animals, one stinking zoo of a song. Mick, Mick, Mick...the greatness of many a Stones classic is thanks to your fine lyrics. Can you explain why you’ve become such a hack?

Hold On To Your Hat – Keith obviously didn’t hold on to his and Mick crapped in it. This rollicking uptempo number had potential – it should be more memorable than it is – but Mick didn’t give a sh*t or crap about the lyrics (again).

Hearts For Sale – This could be one of the better tracks – can’t say I remember it though.

Blinded By Love – ‘Love’ is not a seven-syllable word, Mick! Apart from that the song is so bad it really doesn’t merit discussion. If you like this song all I can do is envy you.

Rock And A Hard Place – If I have to say something positive about this song, I guess like Mick’s hair in the video and the way he moves his elbows. It was released as a single...because there wasn’t much to choose from. Few people like it. Those are the sad sad sad facts.

Can’t Be Seen – Boring as hell and yet it’s one of the least offensive songs on the album.

Almost Hear You Sigh – Somebody said this should’ve been released as the first single...as if that would’ve made an iota of difference to anything. Average ballad. I remember the cringe-worthy video with Keith straining to look cool whereas in the past it had been so effortless.

Continental Drift – Hated it upon it’s release, still don’t love it but acknowledge it’s the most interesting track.

Break The Spell – This could be one of the better tracks – can’t say I remember it though.

Slipping Away – Probably my favorite cut on SW, a solid 7 out of 10.

Overall I don’t understand how anyone can call this a good album. Some people say certain songs bring back memories which I get – one guy said RAAHP reminded him of an ugly woman with a nice figure and (don’t ask me why but) this is a precious memory for him. Good for him, but it still doesn’t make it a good album. If Brown Sugar had be playing when he met that girl, and if she were pretty and he had banged her, then it would probably be an even better memory.

I love the Stones but the quality of their music has dropped precipitously since Tattoo You. Undercover was worse than Tattoo You, Dirty Work was worse than Undercover, Steel Wheels was just as bad as Dirty Work and the post-SW albums aren’t to be taken seriously. It’s not the Stones anymore IMO, it’s a brand and cheap knock-off of the original.

If you do not remember the songs, do not write about them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like the part about Mick crapping in the hat. Very good, funny review. Agree with about all of it.
Why are folks saying that Swayed can't remember the songs?

I see those lines about 'cant say I remember it'. To me these sound like turns of phrase; more like saying "I know this passing song;if there was something memorable, obviously this Stonesfan would comment on it"



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Swayed1967 wrote a very good review, imo. I agree with most of it, but even if I wouldn´t it would still be a good review. He can´t remember Hearts For Sale and Break The Spell, so what? The rest of his post is a very nice read.

Btw, Break The Spell and Hearts For Sale are very good.

Imdeed a very well thought out review from Swayed1967, while being humorous at the same time. And yes I would also agree with most, if not all, of it

"Mixed Emotions...There are times during the chorus when Mick sounds more canine than human".

That is funny!



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I suppose the "Can't say I remember it though" part of the above review of SW is just the poster's way of saying that these songs don't make a lasting impression...

...a bit like that new Mick Jagger double A-side single...

...I listened once, I remember liking the GGAG one, at least the groove, but can't say I remember though anything about the lyrics,... or the groove now come to think of it, since I didn't listen a second time...

...I do remember that it was very topical, like the daily news, but like any newspaper, I can't say I remember it though a few days later...