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Turner68
It's amazing to read people who clearly haven't seen the movie claim Keith is making Muddy look bad when a good part of the film is dedicated to Keith's worship of Muddy. No one else is talking about the ceiling quote except 10 or 15 people on here. The rest of the world watched the movie and took away that Muddy Waters is keith Richard's god.
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Really enjoyed this one, shows Keith's part in The Rolling Stones, his love of the blues and the history of music puts some of the soul in The Rolling Stones.
I see that some have commented on who really started The Stones, and Bill is upset that there is a nice historical marker at the Dartford station. In my opinion, Mick and Keith were there from the beginning, and if they hadn't been there, Brian's band would have lasted the winter....I mean does anyone really care if Brian who loved the blues as much as Mick and Keith gets the credit?
I don't.......he went round the bend, and beat up his women...Mick steers, and Keith is the rudder.
But Brian was the fuse that set it all off. It was Brian who was into deep blues, and turned Keith Richards onto Robert Johnson. Brian brought the slide guitar to the Stones sound, which was carried on my Taylor and continued by Wood. Brian brought Little Walter style harmonica to the Stones. Mick and Keith as a songwriting duo only occurred because they were successful as a cover band in the group Brian started. Attitude, dress, musical knowledge, were what Brian brought to what became the Jagger/Richards dominated Stones. Brian may not have been effective after the first couple years, but ask the Beatles how important John was to get them to a mass audience to begin with.
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Really enjoyed this one, shows Keith's part in The Rolling Stones, his love of the blues and the history of music puts some of the soul in The Rolling Stones.
I see that some have commented on who really started The Stones, and Bill is upset that there is a nice historical marker at the Dartford station. In my opinion, Mick and Keith were there from the beginning, and if they hadn't been there, Brian's band would have lasted the winter....I mean does anyone really care if Brian who loved the blues as much as Mick and Keith gets the credit?
I don't.......he went round the bend, and beat up his women...Mick steers, and Keith is the rudder.
But Brian was the fuse that set it all off. It was Brian who was into deep blues, and turned Keith Richards onto Robert Johnson. Brian brought the slide guitar to the Stones sound, which was carried on my Taylor and continued by Wood. Brian brought Little Walter style harmonica to the Stones. Mick and Keith as a songwriting duo only occurred because they were successful as a cover band in the group Brian started. Attitude, dress, musical knowledge, were what Brian brought to what became the Jagger/Richards dominated Stones. Brian may not have been effective after the first couple years, but ask the Beatles how important John was to get them to a mass audience to begin with.
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yes the stones turned alot of people onto the blues.and so did eric clapton and jimmy page and every other band and guitar player coming out of england in the 60's.
that doesnt give you a free pass to make up a bullshit story about a guy being so broke he had to paint a ceiling when he never was,
i read an article about this in blues musician magazine a few years ago and believe me they weren't happy about it and not nearly as understanding as rock fans are.
it would be like one of the guys in a young band saying "yeah,the stones really influenced us.i remember when they were broken up in the 80's i saw keith richards cleaning the toilet at a club i was at.he had spent all the stones money and looked at me like,this could be you in a few years,i never forgot that man"
Keith has described that everybody was helping out at Chess, not that Muddy was broke.
There also several quotes from the old blues guys where they thanked the Stones for kickstarting their careers again. In this film this appreciation was clearly stated by Buddy Guy.
The Stones were bigger than Creem, as you know, and Zeppelin weren't pure blues or r&b enough for those blues guys to get the same boost + they were even nastier and more cynical when they stole their songs
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lem motlow
yes the stones turned alot of people onto the blues.and so did eric clapton and jimmy page and every other band and guitar player coming out of england in the 60's.
that doesnt give you a free pass to make up a bullshit story about a guy being so broke he had to paint a ceiling when he never was,
i read an article about this in blues musician magazine a few years ago and believe me they weren't happy about it and not nearly as understanding as rock fans are.
it would be like one of the guys in a young band saying "yeah,the stones really influenced us.i remember when they were broken up in the 80's i saw keith richards cleaning the toilet at a club i was at.he had spent all the stones money and looked at me like,this could be you in a few years,i never forgot that man"
Keith has described that everybody was helping out at Chess, not that Muddy was broke.
There also several quotes from the old blues guys where they thanked the Stones for kickstarting their careers again. In this film this appreciation was clearly stated by Buddy Guy.
The Stones were bigger than Creem, as you know, and Zeppelin weren't pure blues or r&b enough for those blues guys to get the same boost + they were even nastier and more cynical when they stole their songs
Guess you've never hear You Shook Me, How Many More Times, Travellin' Riverside Blues, Lemon Song, Bring It On Home, I can't Quit You Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, etc. etc. When Zeppelin played the blues they were more pure that the Stones ever were, imo.
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lem motlow
yes the stones turned alot of people onto the blues.and so did eric clapton and jimmy page and every other band and guitar player coming out of england in the 60's.
that doesnt give you a free pass to make up a bullshit story about a guy being so broke he had to paint a ceiling when he never was,
i read an article about this in blues musician magazine a few years ago and believe me they weren't happy about it and not nearly as understanding as rock fans are.
it would be like one of the guys in a young band saying "yeah,the stones really influenced us.i remember when they were broken up in the 80's i saw keith richards cleaning the toilet at a club i was at.he had spent all the stones money and looked at me like,this could be you in a few years,i never forgot that man"
Keith has described that everybody was helping out at Chess, not that Muddy was broke.
There also several quotes from the old blues guys where they thanked the Stones for kickstarting their careers again. In this film this appreciation was clearly stated by Buddy Guy.
The Stones were bigger than Creem, as you know, and Zeppelin weren't pure blues or r&b enough for those blues guys to get the same boost + they were even nastier and more cynical when they stole their songs
Guess you've never hear You Shook Me, How Many More Times, Travellin' Riverside Blues, Lemon Song, Bring It On Home, I can't Quit You Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, etc. etc. When Zeppelin played the blues they were more pure that the Stones ever were, imo.
Wow, I don't consider Led Zeppelin pure blues at all. No one had ever drummed or sang the blues the way bonham and plant did until they came along, outside of perhaps the Jimi Hendrix Experience (RIP). The only thing remarkable about led Zeppelin in fact was the way they changed the blues into something else.
There are pure blues versions of most of the songs you list (since a lot of them are actually covers), I think you'll find that the arrangements are completely different.
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and I have an image of Marshall Chess later telling Keith: " Muddy Waters was never in there painting that ceiling"..
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lem motlow
yes the stones turned alot of people onto the blues.and so did eric clapton and jimmy page and every other band and guitar player coming out of england in the 60's.
that doesnt give you a free pass to make up a bullshit story about a guy being so broke he had to paint a ceiling when he never was,
i read an article about this in blues musician magazine a few years ago and believe me they weren't happy about it and not nearly as understanding as rock fans are.
it would be like one of the guys in a young band saying "yeah,the stones really influenced us.i remember when they were broken up in the 80's i saw keith richards cleaning the toilet at a club i was at.he had spent all the stones money and looked at me like,this could be you in a few years,i never forgot that man"
Keith has described that everybody was helping out at Chess, not that Muddy was broke.
There also several quotes from the old blues guys where they thanked the Stones for kickstarting their careers again. In this film this appreciation was clearly stated by Buddy Guy.
The Stones were bigger than Creem, as you know, and Zeppelin weren't pure blues or r&b enough for those blues guys to get the same boost + they were even nastier and more cynical when they stole their songs
Guess you've never hear You Shook Me, How Many More Times, Travellin' Riverside Blues, Lemon Song, Bring It On Home, I can't Quit You Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, etc. etc. When Zeppelin played the blues they were more pure that the Stones ever were, imo.
Wow, I don't consider Led Zeppelin pure blues at all. No one had ever drummed or sang the blues the way bonham and plant did until they came along, outside of perhaps the Jimi Hendrix Experience (RIP). The only thing remarkable about led Zeppelin in fact was the way they changed the blues into something else.
There are pure blues versions of most of the songs you list (since a lot of them are actually covers), I think you'll find that the arrangements are completely different.
And as covers they padded the bank accounts of the originators better and probably helped those artist out more than anyone who brought the blues to the forefront by playing music influenced by them.
As far as Zeppelin being pure blues, to me it was pure electric blues, all you have to do is listen to them to figure that out. Listen to Bonham's drumming on You Shook Me and tell me it's not basically just a straight blues rhythm, and everythying else about the song is pretty pure blues too. He obviously had more than one fiber of blues in his body, your claim is outrageous. The fact that they made them their own (within the form) is just a testament to their greatness.
But here we go again, getting the feathers ruffled about the definition of the purity of a genre, obviously you guys are just wrong. LOL
In any case I stand by my statement that LZ played more pure blues than the Stones ever did.
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Turner68
fair enough ;-) we can split the difference on the reggae and blues argument and call it even? LOL.
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Turner68
fair enough ;-) we can split the difference on the reggae and blues argument and call it even? LOL.
Sounds fair to me Turner, but still I reserve the right to call you out on country, bluegrass, rap, R&B, hip hop, folk, Americana and anything else that might come up.