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when i got into the band in 1987 and was buying the back catalogue, between mid 1988 and mid 1989, i was drawn more to some albums than others. the big 4 plus tattoo you i preferred more than most. I didnt realize tattoo you was songs from different eras,the album sounded well produced compared to some girls which was a bit flat in comparison.
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The way they added the acoustic guitars in the 'Some Girls" choruses; the lead breaks in that song too. I am not where I can listen, but I thought that Ron'e breaks were overdubbed
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The way they added the acoustic guitars in the 'Some Girls" choruses; the lead breaks in that song too. I am not where I can listen, but I thought that Ron'e breaks were overdubbed
SOME GIRLS was an overdub extravaganza.
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The way they added the acoustic guitars in the 'Some Girls" choruses; the lead breaks in that song too. I am not where I can listen, but I thought that Ron'e breaks were overdubbed
SOME GIRLS was an overdub extravaganza.
And ER even more so..
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But I really think that a major slice of credit has to go to Kimsey. Maybe more for "Start me Up' than for the album. Like Hopkins said 'a masterpiece recording', this is all about Kimsey. He remembered it, discovered it, mixed and produced it; you can say he made it. We have heard the basic tracks of it. It is a slow reggae groove. Now it is regarded as one of Keith's great riffs. Keith himself has said it isn't really so.
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...I never found a person who did not like Waiting On A Friend ...
Well not that I don't 'like' it, but I certainly don't think it's close to the masterpiece claimed by some. To me, it's just a decent track, cool that it's not much like anything they've done before, but overall not a 'must' to listen to.Quote
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...side B is pure art....
Eh ... again, it is good overall, but still not anywhere near what I would call 'pure art'. My favorites are Worried About You and Heaven, to me the rest are average to decent Stones tracks.
The waxy buildup in your ears fortunately can be addressed through some very simple techniques. Try lying on your side and having someone dribble warm, (not hot!) water into your ear canal...wait a minute, roll over and drain the water in your ear into a towel. gross, i know, especially if some orangey waxy buildup flows out onto the towel. When that happens though, success! Now. do the same in the other ear.
THEN, grab a vinyl copy of Tattoo You, and try listening to side two again, and please advise us of the results. I think you'll be pleased!
Probably hard for you to comprehend, not everyone has the same taste, favorites, etc. And since you can't seem to read, I didn't say I dislike it, only that it's not as great as some claim.
Every hear of Sticky Fingers? Try giving that a listen and then tell me TY is in the same ballpark.
SF is definitely one of their best albums, but I think Tattoo You is better (for me). It ages better, it shows more variety and it has more depth (especially the B side of course).
Actually, even of the "big four", as they are often called, I'd say Beggar's Banquet, Let It Bleed and Exile are superior to SF. And so is Tattoo You.
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No DP I do mean Jagger.
About 25 years at a record fair I eavesdropped a conversation between a bunch of hardcore fans and a French man in his 40's. He was either a label exec or a sound engineer and the story he was telling stemmed from the late 70's/early 80's : he explained in detail how Jagger would direct an editing session from a long jam "enough of this guitar lick... cut that verse here... shorter... that's enough".
Jagger would direct dozens of micro-cuts/micro-edits till the uninspired stuff was out and only remained the best bits. Slowly the raw/long take would morph into a releasable song.
The guy who was telling the story was still in awe btw... Like so many other ppl working with/for the Stones was probably the apex of his whole career.
Now if you listen to "Slave I" from 1975 and the TY version you realize the same process took place : entire bars of music (the boring ones) have been left out. In what was kept the guitar and organ licks have been carefully examined and only the most inspired stuff has been kept.
My guess is Jagger did the deed. He also had the guts to tell Rollins his 1st pass at overdubbing the song wasn't good enough.
Yeah, I've heard that, too, but I also know Kimsey's own recollection which was a bit different
Slave was masterfully done, though, but I like the longer Virgin-version even more. The long jam (with Ronnie's track included) should be TY Bonus material, imo
Listening to unedited tracks, like Slave or Emotional Rescue (brilliantly edited for the LP) and so many from the 1970s and early 80s, there's no reason to not think Jagger had a big hand in the edits. Either being there to tell someone what parts or approving them.
Editing a song can entail quite a few things but from what I've been able to discern, the Stones record, finish overdubs - and then edit. They do full mixes - ie the unedited song, and then use the mixdown for the edit (Emotional Rescue is a great example of that). I've been involved in editing, both with giving suggestions or telling whoever to do this and that, and it can get really funny. But it's always interesting.
But there's no reason not to think they've also had sections trimmed down to get right to it for overdubbing but I would think that doesn't happen often. A great example of how that wasn't done is listening to the full version of Love Is Strong - there's a blend in the middle break that blows my mind, because the full version has a screw up in it and how they got that edit to sound perfect, a little "trickery" was used on that.
I've not listened to the full version of Everything Is Turning To Gold in a long time but just listening to the released version, they HACKED that song up! It's very obvious.
Their live tracks, they've had some great editing (from STILL LIFE, Time Is On My Side, Imagination, the end of LSTNT with the screw up being replaced; the edit of Brown Sugar on LIVE LICKS is seamless) and some horrible editing - Brown Sugar on LOVE YOU LIVE and Rocks Off from LIVE LICKS are two of the best worst ones I can think of. Street Fighting Man is a bit of a jarring on LIVE LICKS. They should've used the Madison Square Garden PPV one - it's a thousand times better - even with Keith's screw up fixed.
As we were talking about TY, the main reason not to believe that Mick was the main force in the editing process is Kimsey's own description of what happened.
I'm sure Mick was good at pointing out parts to keep for different albums, but for TY Kimsey was sort of left alone with the long version, according to himself.
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The way they added the acoustic guitars in the 'Some Girls" choruses; the lead breaks in that song too. I am not where I can listen, but I thought that Ron'e breaks were overdubbed
SOME GIRLS was an overdub extravaganza.
And ER even more so..
An extravaganza? To o/d a few guitars, maybe a slide, stack some BU vocals is not an extravaganza. And besides, that wasn't even the point I was making. In "Some Girls" the song I felt that RW part sounds overdubbed. The Stones dont overdub very much. They might use 14, 15 tracks.
Foster The People - that's an overdub extravanganza.
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...I never found a person who did not like Waiting On A Friend ...
Well not that I don't 'like' it, but I certainly don't think it's close to the masterpiece claimed by some. To me, it's just a decent track, cool that it's not much like anything they've done before, but overall not a 'must' to listen to.Quote
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...side B is pure art....
Eh ... again, it is good overall, but still not anywhere near what I would call 'pure art'. My favorites are Worried About You and Heaven, to me the rest are average to decent Stones tracks.
The waxy buildup in your ears fortunately can be addressed through some very simple techniques. Try lying on your side and having someone dribble warm, (not hot!) water into your ear canal...wait a minute, roll over and drain the water in your ear into a towel. gross, i know, especially if some orangey waxy buildup flows out onto the towel. When that happens though, success! Now. do the same in the other ear.
THEN, grab a vinyl copy of Tattoo You, and try listening to side two again, and please advise us of the results. I think you'll be pleased!
Probably hard for you to comprehend, not everyone has the same taste, favorites, etc. And since you can't seem to read, I didn't say I dislike it, only that it's not as great as some claim.
Every hear of Sticky Fingers? Try giving that a listen and then tell me TY is in the same ballpark.
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The way they added the acoustic guitars in the 'Some Girls" choruses; the lead breaks in that song too. I am not where I can listen, but I thought that Ron'e breaks were overdubbed
SOME GIRLS was an overdub extravaganza.
And ER even more so..
An extravaganza? To o/d a few guitars, maybe a slide, stack some BU vocals is not an extravaganza. And besides, that wasn't even the point I was making. In "Some Girls" the song I felt that RW part sounds overdubbed. The Stones dont overdub very much. They might use 14, 15 tracks.
Foster The People - that's an overdub extravanganza.
The live recordings (the bottoms) were certainly used on SOME GIRLS - but there were, at times, a LOT of overdubs. Shattered is one example. There seemed to be a lot more vocal overdubs on SG than previous albums. But there were plenty of guitar overdubs. The title track has several. Shattered has a lot of overdubs. Beast Of Burden has a few guitar overdubs and of course vocal overdubs.
Henceforth, an overdub extravaganza! They did some great work on SOME GIRLS!
Yes, they did. SOME GIRLS is a wonderful album.
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Only Tattoo You version I have is vinyl...you guys think they're going to release a Deluxe version in 2021? That's a long time for me to wait as it's one of the only CDs I'm missing... (I love the Deluxe Some Girls - but the Exile one isn't that great aside from the pictures)
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Only Tattoo You version I have is vinyl...you guys think they're going to release a Deluxe version in 2021? That's a long time for me to wait as it's one of the only CDs I'm missing... (I love the Deluxe Some Girls - but the Exile one isn't that great aside from the pictures)
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...I never found a person who did not like Waiting On A Friend ...
Well not that I don't 'like' it, but I certainly don't think it's close to the masterpiece claimed by some. To me, it's just a decent track, cool that it's not much like anything they've done before, but overall not a 'must' to listen to.Quote
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...side B is pure art....
Eh ... again, it is good overall, but still not anywhere near what I would call 'pure art'. My favorites are Worried About You and Heaven, to me the rest are average to decent Stones tracks.
The waxy buildup in your ears fortunately can be addressed through some very simple techniques. Try lying on your side and having someone dribble warm, (not hot!) water into your ear canal...wait a minute, roll over and drain the water in your ear into a towel. gross, i know, especially if some orangey waxy buildup flows out onto the towel. When that happens though, success! Now. do the same in the other ear.
THEN, grab a vinyl copy of Tattoo You, and try listening to side two again, and please advise us of the results. I think you'll be pleased!
Probably hard for you to comprehend, not everyone has the same taste, favorites, etc. And since you can't seem to read, I didn't say I dislike it, only that it's not as great as some claim.
Every hear of Sticky Fingers? Try giving that a listen and then tell me TY is in the same ballpark.
Look, we're just trying to help...no need to get that way.
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@Dandelion / @GasLight : thanks, didn't realize there were two different versions out there! The one I borrowed from the library had the extended one (I'll have to sit down and compare them).
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Only Tattoo You version I have is vinyl...you guys think they're going to release a Deluxe version in 2021? That's a long time for me to wait as it's one of the only CDs I'm missing... (I love the Deluxe Some Girls - but the Exile one isn't that great aside from the pictures)
The extended version of Slave makes the cd (Virgin) å must-have, imo.
Wouldn't mind a Deluxe-version.
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I remember buying the Start Me Up 45, looking at the cover and thinking WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE GUYS.
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...I never found a person who did not like Waiting On A Friend ...
Well not that I don't 'like' it, but I certainly don't think it's close to the masterpiece claimed by some. To me, it's just a decent track, cool that it's not much like anything they've done before, but overall not a 'must' to listen to.Quote
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...side B is pure art....
Eh ... again, it is good overall, but still not anywhere near what I would call 'pure art'. My favorites are Worried About You and Heaven, to me the rest are average to decent Stones tracks.
The waxy buildup in your ears fortunately can be addressed through some very simple techniques. Try lying on your side and having someone dribble warm, (not hot!) water into your ear canal...wait a minute, roll over and drain the water in your ear into a towel. gross, i know, especially if some orangey waxy buildup flows out onto the towel. When that happens though, success! Now. do the same in the other ear.
THEN, grab a vinyl copy of Tattoo You, and try listening to side two again, and please advise us of the results. I think you'll be pleased!
Probably hard for you to comprehend, not everyone has the same taste, favorites, etc. And since you can't seem to read, I didn't say I dislike it, only that it's not as great as some claim.
Every hear of Sticky Fingers? Try giving that a listen and then tell me TY is in the same ballpark.
Look, we're just trying to help...no need to get that way.
what do you mean "that way"? If you're trying to come on to me, sorry I don't float that way, stick to your orangutans.
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I remember buying the Start Me Up 45, looking at the cover and thinking WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE GUYS.
yeah, the dog leg in the high heel was a bit disturbing...but sort of uber cool.
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I remember buying the Start Me Up 45, looking at the cover and thinking WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE GUYS.
yeah, the dog leg in the high heel was a bit disturbing...but sort of uber cool.
I always thought it was a goats foot (or hoof) - or at least that's what it resembles - which makes it even more disturbing,
But I'm not an animal foot/hoof specialist, so what do I know?
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edit: Typed in "goat leg and hoof" in to google, clicked on images, and found this old thread discussion about the image:
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