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Ventilator Blues, only 8/10? Way off, an easy 10.
It's running a bit out of steam for my liking, but a great song indeed – as every 8/10-song would be.
I also stand by my 8/10, which is higher than any track on Black and Blue so, yes, Ventilator Blues is a great song ;-)
Personally I am dismayed, no, actually *shocked* at the 6/10 for "Soul Survivor". This is the song that holds the whole album together and makes sense of it all!
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Ventilator Blues is one of the core songs from the Album. It is truly a steam pressure cooker blues number perfectly describing the 60s. Everybody's stepping on their accelerators! Sure enough! A great layered blues song that sounds like it lives in an alley near cauldron of bums soaking up drink like a sponge...
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Hairball
Greatest album by the Stones?
Could be, but going against Beggars, LIB, and Sticky Fingers is no easy feat.
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Naturalust
I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
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Ventilator Blues is one of the core songs from the Album. It is truly a steam pressure cooker blues number perfectly describing the 60s. Everybody's stepping on their accelerators! Sure enough! A great layered blues song that sounds like it lives in an alley near cauldron of bums soaking up drink like a sponge...Quote
Hairball
Greatest album by the Stones?
Could be, but going against Beggars, LIB, and Sticky Fingers is no easy feat.
Agree - and why I (like many others) refer to them as the BIG 4!
When I pick Exile as #1, it is by slimmest of margins, mainly because of the uniqueness of the majority of the tracks.
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Ventilator Blues is one of the core songs from the Album. It is truly a steam pressure cooker blues number perfectly describing the 60s. Everybody's stepping on their accelerators! Sure enough! A great layered blues song that sounds like it lives in an alley near cauldron of bums soaking up drink like a sponge...Quote
Hairball
Greatest album by the Stones?
Could be, but going against Beggars, LIB, and Sticky Fingers is no easy feat.
Agree - and why I (like many others) refer to them as the BIG 4!
When I pick Exile as #1, it is by slimmest of margins, mainly because of the uniqueness of the majority of the tracks.
Yes the BIG 4 indeed.
But when I think I've got the answer and pick Exile as my favorite (as I did earlier today), I'm reminded of one single tune in the Stones' entire history that bursts the Exile bubble.
That single tune is Gimme Shelter - perhaps the greatest Stones tune known to mankind imo. And that single tune happens to be on LIB, which also has Midnight Rambler and YCAGWYW.
I'd confidently say that any of those tunes alone stand up to (and are better) than anything that Exile has to offer. And with that, I switch my vote for back to LIB for the greatest....
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Ventilator Blues is one of the core songs from the Album. It is truly a steam pressure cooker blues number perfectly describing the 60s. Everybody's stepping on their accelerators! Sure enough! A great layered blues song that sounds like it lives in an alley near cauldron of bums soaking up drink like a sponge...Quote
Hairball
Greatest album by the Stones?
Could be, but going against Beggars, LIB, and Sticky Fingers is no easy feat.
Agree - and why I (like many others) refer to them as the BIG 4!
When I pick Exile as #1, it is by slimmest of margins, mainly because of the uniqueness of the majority of the tracks.
Yes the BIG 4 indeed.
But when I think I've got the answer and pick Exile as my favorite (as I did earlier today), I'm reminded of one single tune in the Stones' entire history that bursts the Exile bubble.
That single tune is Gimme Shelter - perhaps the greatest Stones tune known to mankind imo. And that single tune happens to be on LIB, which also has Midnight Rambler and YCAGWYW.
I'd confidently say that any of those tunes alone stand up to (and are better) than anything that Exile has to offer. And with that, I switch my vote for back to LIB for the greatest....
Again, agree on Gimme Shelter as their all time greatest tune. And as stated, I would never question anyone picking one of the four over the others - they are all amazing. Personally for me, I can't pick LIB as my #1, mainly because of Midnight Rambler, I listen to it and want it to be as strong sounding as the live YaYa's version, but it pales in comparison.
And, although no single song on Exile is as good as Gimme Shelter, I still feel that Exile as an album is the ultimate Stones experience, from beginning to end. Exile still wins for me.
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
Well Wish You Were Here is only 4 (or 5) songs so that doesn't count but I'll substitute DSOTM and agree with you on that one. I'm not sure the other two quite hold up to best 10 tracks on Exile but it's obviously subjective and not debatable.
Your constant support of Dirty work is both cute and bat s h i t crazy.
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Naturalust
The fact that Exile is indeed a double album with hardly a bad song on it guarantees it gets the top spot for many fans. Picking the best 10 or 11 songs off Exile makes for an interesting and more direct comparison to BB, LIB and SF.
For me this single album would be pretty hard to top. Yes it omits some of the more interesting tunes which flavor Exile with a certain sense of stylistic diversity; but I think this selection would have grabbed people right out of the gate...no growing on you or tepid initial reviews, just well deserved praise and admiration.
I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Rocks Off
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Torn and Frayed
Loving Cup
Happy
Ventilator Blues
Let It Loose
All Down the Line
Stop Breaking Down
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
Well Wish You Were Here is only 4 (or 5) songs so that doesn't count but I'll substitute DSOTM and agree with you on that one. I'm not sure the other two quite hold up to best 10 tracks on Exile but it's obviously subjective and not debatable.
Your constant support of Dirty work is both cute and bat s h i t crazy.
If you had said 'classic' or 'great' albums, none of the albums HMS mentioned fit that category, which is fitting seeing that those "not very good" albums of those artists are the ones he considers great albums.
Typical.
And what the hell is he doing talking about EOMS anyway? He doesn't know anything about it or what good music is.
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
Well Wish You Were Here is only 4 (or 5) songs so that doesn't count but I'll substitute DSOTM and agree with you on that one. I'm not sure the other two quite hold up to best 10 tracks on Exile but it's obviously subjective and not debatable.
Your constant support of Dirty work is both cute and bat s h i t crazy.
If you had said 'classic' or 'great' albums, none of the albums HMS mentioned fit that category, which is fitting seeing that those "not very good" albums of those artists are the ones he considers great albums.
Typical.
And what the hell is he doing talking about EOMS anyway? He doesn't know anything about it or what good music is.
I´m not the only one to consider Aladdin Sane & Wish You Were Here "great albums", which they are indeed, truly great albums. Opinions on Empire Burlesque may differ, but for reasons I dont understand. It´s a classic and one of Bob Dylans best albums ever.
About EOMS I know enough to tell the great songs from the so-so´s, the supbar and the fillers. I think they released a double album only because the Beatles did the same (years) before, btw the White Album should also have been released as a single album, it contains lots and lots of fillers, just like Exile does.
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Obladi-Oblada...
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...Trivia: Obladi Oblada is one of the first songs about transvestites...
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...Trivia: Obladi Oblada is one of the first songs about transvestites...
Proceed and present your evidence.
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Naturalust
It's obviously based on the lyrics in the last verse:
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face
And in the evening she's a singer with the band
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Naturalust
It's obviously based on the lyrics in the last verse:
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face
And in the evening she's a singer with the band
A slip of the tongue, according to the author.
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I don't know many records where I and almost any fan can pick as many songs and rate them so highly.
Pink Floyd´s Whish You Were, David Bowie´s Aladdin Sane and Bob Dylan´s Empire Burlesque come to mind and - of course - Dirty Work.
Well Wish You Were Here is only 4 (or 5) songs so that doesn't count but I'll substitute DSOTM and agree with you on that one. I'm not sure the other two quite hold up to best 10 tracks on Exile but it's obviously subjective and not debatable.
Your constant support of Dirty work is both cute and bat s h i t crazy.
If you had said 'classic' or 'great' albums, none of the albums HMS mentioned fit that category, which is fitting seeing that those "not very good" albums of those artists are the ones he considers great albums.
Typical.
And what the hell is he doing talking about EOMS anyway? He doesn't know anything about it or what good music is.
I´m not the only one to consider Aladdin Sane & Wish You Were Here "great albums", which they are indeed, truly great albums. Opinions on Empire Burlesque may differ, but for reasons I dont understand. It´s a classic and one of Bob Dylans best albums ever.
About EOMS I know enough to tell the great songs from the so-so´s, the supbar and the fillers. I think they released a double album only because the Beatles did the same (years) before, btw the White Album should also have been released as a single album, it contains lots and lots of fillers, just like Exile does.
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It's obviously based on the lyrics in the last verse:
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face
And in the evening she's a singer with the band
A slip of the tongue, according to the author.
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Naturalust
It's obviously based on the lyrics in the last verse:
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face
And in the evening she's a singer with the band
A slip of the tongue, according to the author.
Nevertheless that's still what it ends up being about. "Everyone will wonder whether Desmond's a bisexual or a transvestite". The link you cited actually spells it out quite clearly in support of my interpretation.
As far as John's contribution to the song, in addition to insisting that Paul leave Desmond's alternative sexuality intact, he also hit upon the arrangement for the song:
"After about four or five nights doing 'Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da', John Lennon came to the session really stoned, totally out of it on something or other, and he said, 'All right, we're gonna do Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da.' He went straight to the piano and smashed the keys with an almighty amount of volume, twice the speed of how they'd done it before, and said, 'This is it! Come on!' He was really aggravated. That was the version they ended up using. „
—Mark Lewisohn, The Beatles Recording Sessions, p.141, 1988