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Anyone think EOMS would not be as good if they had finished the songs that were from the France sessions that came out in 2010 - Pass The Wine, I'm Not Signifying, Plundered My Soul and Following The River?

I think Pass The Wine, Signifying and Plundered would've fit just fine.

Pass The Wine & Signifying are strong tracks, yeah. Plundered is a TD variation, Following is a 90's Jagger ballad with '71 backing tracks - wouldn't have fit I think, maybe on Voodoo Lounge.

It's unfortunate that something good wasn't put in place of the horrendous Following The River. That is pure tripe.

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Anyone think EOMS would not be as good if they had finished the songs that were from the France sessions that came out in 2010 - Pass The Wine, I'm Not Signifying, Plundered My Soul and Following The River?

I think Pass The Wine, Signifying and Plundered would've fit just fine.

Pass The Wine & Signifying are strong tracks, yeah. Plundered is a TD variation, Following is a 90's Jagger ballad with '71 backing tracks - wouldn't have fit I think, maybe on Voodoo Lounge.

It's unfortunate that something good wasn't put in place of the horrendous Following The River. That is pure tripe.

'River' is awful. Yeah, I dont get it that Jagger himself does not have access to some Holy Grail tracks. Like an early version of 'Ventilator". or "Turd on the Run".

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Sides 1 & 2 are perfection IMO while side 4 is fairly mediocre – they should’ve saved All Down The Line for Goat’s Head – it’s slightly less boring than Silver Train, but only slightly. A totally overrated tune IMO. Stop Breaking Down and Soul Survivor are weak efforts, period. Shine A Light deserved better but the released version is too sterile. That raw outtake with the raspy Jagger vocal is far superior. Side 3 has lots of goodies but I’m sorry – as much as I wanna buy the slightly pretentious argument that every song is integral to the album(in fact I myself have put forward the same argument on occasion because it sounds so cool), if I’m honest with myself I Just Wanna See His Face could’ve been a few minutes shorter or blotted out. I think that promo song Jagger did on piano could’ve been a better segue into Let It Loose.

While I don't agree with the main sentiment of this post, I think this is an interesting , thought provoking take on side 4. I "kind of agree" with some of it though. You do start to sense a drop off in Quality, like there wasn't as much focus on EOMS. But it somehow ended up being great anyways, enough to put it on the same level as the previous three albums.. That's part of what makes it so cool.

Also, I think that's an interesting take on ADTL. It's one of my favorites though.

Reading that post makes me think that the poster don't find atmosphere, swing, drive, or the sound of it all, important factors in rock..

The only thing I agree with is that All Down The Line is less «boring» than Silver Train.

I also like I Just Wanna See His Face as a standalone track, though, for it's darkness, mysticism and general creepy atmosphere

All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

The interesting thing about ADSL is that they recorded at least three totally different takes. Acoustic, early electric (Japan bonus track) and finished version.

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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

All Down the Line has such power and drive, it's absurd that anyone could put 'boring' in a description of it.

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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

All Down the Line has such power and drive, it's absurd that anyone could put 'boring' in a description of it.

For me it's one of their ultimate rockers - one of those songs that pops up now and again in the request spot these days that really generates excitement in the set.

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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

All Down the Line has such power and drive, it's absurd that anyone could put 'boring' in a description of it.

For me it's one of their ultimate rockers - one of those songs that pops up now and again in the request spot these days that really generates excitement in the set.

One of the very few non-hit numbers which was played on every tour except 1989/90. Probably because it worked.

I enjoy Following The River. Anything new from that time period I will gladly accept...

L'Wren Scott was taken aback by the lyrics.....Beautiful video also

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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

All Down the Line has such power and drive, it's absurd that anyone could put 'boring' in a description of it.

It's one of those songs that the Stones cannot play well live It sucks everytime they try it.


To me Exile is the most solid album ever recorded. 18 good songs. I don't think any of the songs are in the argument for the Stones best but to me all solid and good songs. When you can listen to an album made up of 18 songs that you like then it's a great album.

It is tied for my all time favorite with Dylan's Blonde on Blonde. Blonde on Blonde has higher highs but lower lows.



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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

Amen. ADTL features two of the greatest moments in Stones recorded history IMO. The first:
is the short gap from 0:18-0:20, when you got that steam engine huffing down the track; and the second (to be experienced together) at 0:28-0:30, the same section, but this time with that stinging lead guitar on top.

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Anyone think EOMS would not be as good if they had finished the songs that were from the France sessions that came out in 2010 - Pass The Wine, I'm Not Signifying, Plundered My Soul and Following The River?

I think Pass The Wine, Signifying and Plundered would've fit just fine.

Pass The Wine & Signifying are strong tracks, yeah. Plundered is a TD variation, Following is a 90's Jagger ballad with '71 backing tracks - wouldn't have fit I think, maybe on Voodoo Lounge.

It's unfortunate that something good wasn't put in place of the horrendous Following The River. That is pure tripe.

I love Following the River. I can figure what people don't like about it.

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All Down The Line is one of those songs that best shows the incredible swing the Stones were capable of producing with Mick Taylor in the band. It's a kinetic power very few bands were able to emulate.

All Down the Line has such power and drive, it's absurd that anyone could put 'boring' in a description of it.

It's one of those songs that the Stones cannot play well live It sucks everytime they try it...
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Sorry, I don't agree w/ that at all, there's some serious kick-ass versions from '72 (at work currently so I can't check). If I recall they also did it on '78 tour and those versions were great too, just not as good as '72.

All Down The Line live in '72 on L&G is not good enough for someone?
For me it's incredible. And the two live shows I saw on that tour proved it to me in person.
(Tho I've heard Live versions with Ron as well over the years).
imo, They do they hell out of it!!
For me Following The River is bad. I thik it forced and over-wrought.



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I love Following the River. I can figure what people don't like about it.

Sorry to interrupt the ADTL bashing/praisal. I am all in favor of the almost-flat intro guitar, chugga chugga rhythms, splendid slide work and insane backing vocals

A momentary lapse back to "Following the River".
I find it easy to understand why people criticize it. Its syrup-y and slick, but what can I say - the romantic in me still enjoys it.

I would really like to hear the original and naked Hopkins track(-s) though, but I am thankful we got "Following". Without it I think we would have nothing at all: the solo piano-piece probably is just a Hopkins composition and without the Jagger vocals it would be left in the vaults forever.
And choosing between nothing and "Following" is rather simple. Just listening to the timber of the tone in Hopkins piano is enough to love it. IMHO.

Speaking of Hopkins´contributions.
It is said Hopkins did his work at Nellcote in the basement.
I have only seen the upstairs grand piano (featured in many images) and the basement el- piano (the one Jagger plays). Never the upright (I assume) he did this track on.
Any comments, input?

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I love Following the River. I can figure what people don't like about it.

Sorry to interrupt the ADTL bashing/praisal. I am all in favor of the almost-flat intro guitar, chugga chugga rhythms, splendid slide work and insane backing vocals

A momentary lapse back to "Following the River".
I find it easy to understand why people criticize it. Its syrup-y and slick, but what can I say - the romantic in me still enjoys it.

I would really like to hear the original and naked Hopkins track(-s) though, but I am thankful we got "Following". Without it I think we would have nothing at all: the solo piano-piece probably is just a Hopkins composition and without the Jagger vocals it would be left in the vaults forever.
And choosing between nothing and "Following" is rather simple. Just listening to the timber of the tone in Hopkins piano is enough to love it. IMHO.

Speaking of Hopkins´contributions.
It is said Hopkins did his work at Nellcote in the basement.
I have only seen the upstairs grand piano (featured in many images) and the basement el- piano (the one Jagger plays). Never the upright (I assume) he did this track on.
Any comments, input?

Unfortunately, I'll have to second that

Yeh that Nicky; Not infrequently i listen to the Angie basic tracks with Just Hopkins, Bill and Charlie. It's insanely gorgeous.

Recorded at the end of '72; same year they released and toured EOMS.
Nicky had been on every album since Between The Buttons with them as this point.
AND a full-on Live tour of North America playing all that super great stuff
he had creted and recorded with them.
He had already had huge records with The Who, The Kinks & The Beatles; my three other most favorite UK Bands ever.
I'm gonna listen to FTR again just for him. And try to enjoy it.
If only Mick had relaxed a bit, ya know?
It's his pinched, 'squeezed,' voice to the max there and, for me; it's not that it's too syrupy; tho the strings are a bit much.
I usually adore those orchestral touches on great pop records; I'm a huge fan of Angie to the disgust of many a good Stones fan, for example. I even think it very poignant.

I think you guys can hear that too, but overlook it; it just suspends my disbelief and leads to parody for me, that is mistaken for cruelty....
....naw, I just can't believe him on that one. It sounds too 'color by numbers'
He went too far. One more time he didn't have somebody in the studio he respected to just say 'try one singing pretty striaght, give us some mix options,' .... or something....
...cause i can't believe you guys can't hear that 'squeezed' 'tight' thing goin' on a bit there; or more than a bit...



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The only bad thing about "All Down the Line" I could manage to say was that I was very disappointed in the alternate mix on the flip side of "Happy." I love the EXILE mix. I love the official live versions except for the one on SHINE A LIGHT. However, I've noted those who spoke against it (especially the remark about Side 4) and the names have been struck from my Christmas card list.

^^ Hopkins isn't on Between the Buttons.

Actually I think Nicky's on two tracks. Some of it was done at Olympic, not just RCA with Jack.

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It was 8 seconds into the first playing of rocks off that I realized that my life was Changing.

Exactly what happened to me. Such an excitement, such an explosion of energy !

I still get that kick, when I haven't heard it for a while.

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Perfection in every way.

But with a flagrance of nonchalance. Maybe perfection by accident.
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Actually I think Nicky's on two tracks. Some of it was done at Olympic, not just RCA with Jack.

He isn't.

Jack came to London for the sessions at Olympic.



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Well, Nico (among others) think it's Nicky. I suppose it's hard to know if it's just speculation. Just out of curiosity, why are you certain it isn't?

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Well, Nico (among others) think it's Nicky. I suppose it's hard to know if it's just speculation. Just out of curiosity, why are you certain it isn't?

The words of the people involved at the time close to the time, but especially Nicky's own words in a 1967 Beat Instrumental in which he is excited that he'll be on a stones release for the first time... that being We Love You.

Given the stones were recording already by February 1967 it's understandible that through time their memories of when Nicky started recording with them will be a bit mixed up.

For example much later Nicky himself seemed to think he played on LSTNT.

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^^ Hopkins isn't on Between the Buttons.

He is: played on "Cool, Calm and Collected" as well as "Something Happened To Me Yesterday"

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^^ Hopkins isn't on Between the Buttons.

He is: played on "Cool, Calm and Collected" as well as "Something Happened To Me Yesterday"

Source?

I'm looking forward to this debate

PS: We Love You (Hopkin's first song with The Stones, according to himself) was recorded after Cool, Calm And Collected and Something Happened To Me Yesterday.



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^^ Hopkins isn't on Between the Buttons.

He is: played on "Cool, Calm and Collected" as well as "Something Happened To Me Yesterday"

Not according to the man himself close to the time of those tracks being recorded and released.

For the sake of Exile, lets move this to the Between The Buttons album talk thread.



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All Down The Line is one of the best rock and roll records anybody ever put out, including them, imo.
Not a trace of doubt ever. As sure as that PUNCH peeps are talking about 8 seconds into Rocks Off. Oh yeah.
This for many in many ways, is one of the best rock and roll songs EVER....

Man I was working some shit jobs back in the day; night shifts on factory lines for all kinds of brutal dock and line work...and I'd hear that line
about the whistle blowing....and then Taylor would take off...
In many way, it's the best doing the best of their best....you got all the main players kicking it at the same time and that wouled never happen again on record or on tour....

For me it's MASSIVELY Great, fully realized incredible rock and roll record. One of the All Time Best.
Studio AND Live. It's definitional seminal perfect Rolling Stones for some fans, and I'm one of 'em. Nothing else sounds like this. It's great.
It's a great song.



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