Hi everybody, i want to know the difference between the versions of TELL ME in different original records.
USA Single version, the first england album, the first USA album etc...
many thanks

“TELL ME” IN GERMANY (from 'the Rolling Stones World-Wide up-dated Discography 2015')

FULL VERSION, 4:06

.9.64 7” DECCA DL25144 b/w ‘it’s all over, now’
.1.66 LP DECCA E 568-BD 1080C THE BEST OF THE ROLLING STONES
.8.81 2LP DECCA 6.28546DO PORTRAIT
.7.84 LP LONDON/ABKCO6.25912 (820 047-1) THE ROLLING STONES (DMM)
.7.84 CD LONDON/ABKCO 820 047-2 THE ROLLING STONES
4.7.88 CD LONDON/ABKCO 820 047-2 THE ROLLING STONES
12.9.88 LP LONDON/ABKCO 820 047-1 THE ROLLING STONES
4.8.88 CD LONDON/ABKCO 820 515-2 MORE HOT ROCKS 1

FADED OUT VERSION, 3:44

.7.64 LP DECCA BLK 16300-P THE ROLLING STONES
.9.70 LP DECCA SLK 16300 THE ROLLING STONES
.2.73 LP DECCA S 17500-P THE ROLLING STONES
LP DECCA 6.21695 THE ROLLING STONES
.2.81 LP DECCA 6.24575AP HEARTBREAKERS – 19 LOVE SONGS
4.7.88 CD LONDON/ABKCO 820 515-6 MORE HOT ROCKS
10.7.89 7” LONDON/ABKCO 882 134-7 b/w ‘it’s all over, now’
21.3.95 CD LONDON/ABKCO 844 460-2 ENGLAND’S NEWEST HITMAKER(3:47)
21.3.95 2CD LONDON/ABKCO 844 478-2 MORE HOT ROCKS (3:48)

SHORT VERSION, 2:41

.10.77 2LP ARCADE/ABKCO ADE G 27 DIE 30 GROSSTEN HITS
11.09.89 3LP LONDON/ABKCO 1218-1/820 900-1 THE LONDON YEARS
11.09.89 3CD LONDON/ABKCO 1218-2/820 900-2 THE LONDON YEARS
21.03.95 2CD LONDON/ABKCO 844 481-2 THE LONDON YEARS(2:59)

Everybody needs the 4.06



ROCKMAN

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Rockman
Everybody needs the 4.06

YES! and on vinyl...

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1963luca0
Don't get me wrong, but you gave a kind of misleading info for digital domain. I mean the situation for CDs is not exactly like you posted.

To my best knowledge none of More Hot Rock CD contain 4.05 version of the song. They all came with 3.49-3.52 version with fade out (depending on pre-gap for particular pressing). Although it is marked 4.05 on back cover.

All (but one) post 1988 (West) German London CDs came with the same 'fade out' version, although it is stated on the back cover 4.05. There is only one post 1988 CD that contains 4.05 version with matrix 820 047-2 01# MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO. However it is rather rare because they change matrix to 02# in the middle of the run. I.e. there are CDs 820 047-2 with 12 page booklet both with matrices 820 047-2 01# MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO (ends cold) and 820 047-2 02# MADE IN W.GERMANY BY PDO (with fade out). And in most cases you'll hit on the secondary market the CD with 02# matrix. This is VERY confusing.



Anyway,

For CDs the line is following.
Version I - 2.52 - never issued officially. Only on bootlegs.
Version II - 4.05, cold end. - German CD London 820 047-2 Early pressings from 1984-1986 (CDs with matrix 820 047-2 01#) and very rare CD with matrix 820 047-2 01# MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO (1988). Also on Japanese London-Polydor KK P33L-25014 (1985), P25L-25031 (1989) and POCD-1911 (1995). For Japanese CDs the final EQ is different.
Version III - 3.44 (3.49-3.52), fade out - on US Englands New Hitmakers CD 375 (1986) and US reissues of this title. Also on late pressings of German London CD 820 047-2 (post 1988 editions with matrices 820 047-2 02# MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO, 820 047-2 03# MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO, 820 047-2 03# MADE IN GERMANY, 820 047-2 03# MADE IN GERMANY BY PMDC, all CDs with 'clear plastic' hub) and all French, Brazil and Australian London CDs 820 047-2, Spanish London 844 055-2. Later - on European CD Englands New Hitmakers 844 460-2 (1995) and Japanese POCD-1936 (1995). All 'More Hot Rocks' no matter what country or pressing.
Version IV - 2.41 edit. - Singles Collection - The London Years 1989 and 1995 editions (820 900-2 and 844 481-2 for Europe, 1218-2 and 1231-2 for the US), Japanese POCD-1938/40. Apparently, on Singles 1963-1965 box also. This version seem to be an edit but not an equivalent to Version I
Version V - late fade out - SACD-DSD remasters from 2002. Not equivalent to Version III
Version VI - 2.20 rehearsal, Soundtrack of Charlie is My Darling

If you'd like to dig the unholy mess with London 820 047-2 - welcome here
[www.iorr.org]
Rockman, probably, I used scan of your CD over there. Hope you do not mind



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Sorry! Corrections are always welcome...

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1963luca0
Sorry! Corrections are always welcome...

No problem. I like your book very much. But I know it is hard to dig all thing single handed. Anyway, drop me a line if you need info on those German London CDs. I made a small research on that topic for fun. Issues-reissues-misprints etc.

The 2002 ABKCO "Englands Newest Hitmakers" + the 2010 digital version of the UK debut, features a different fade as well.

Can Ironbelly please let me know where Version V (late fade out, 2002) is to be found. Thank you very much for your message.

Alex.

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Blueranger
The 2002 ABKCO "Englands Newest Hitmakers" + the 2010 digital version of the UK debut, features a different fade as well.

Correct. I am just tired of typing . And I am not a big fan of later re-issues.

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alexander paul
Can Ironbelly please let me know where Version V (late fade out, 2002) is to be found. Thank you very much for your message.

Alex.

4:05.65 on 2002 SACD-DSD remaster England's Newest Hit Makers (93752 US) (fade out late, but no cold ending)
This one I am sure of. EU edition (8822872) of this CD came with the same version.



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Rockman, probably, I used scan of your CD over there. Hope you do not mind


Your welcome ...Go for it man ...



ROCKMAN

The first song Mick and Keith wrote together. Keith has since changed "or forgot" his story and now says it's "As Tears Go By".

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The first song Mick and Keith wrote together. Keith has since changed "or forgot" his story and now says it's "As Tears Go By".

Jagger said in an 1973-interview that the first song they wrote was It Should Be You.

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shadooby
The first song Mick and Keith wrote together. Keith has since changed "or forgot" his story and now says it's "As Tears Go By".

I thought so, too, but is there really any source (Mick or Keith) on Tell Me being the first?

Ironbelly,
your study seems to be very well done. I'd be very glad to co-operate and you've my private e-mail, on the book. I'm sure we could find a fair way to mention your research and present it the way it is : yours.
All the best, the Learning Archivist

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1963luca0
Ironbelly,
your study seems to be very well done. I'd be very glad to co-operate and you've my private e-mail, on the book. I'm sure we could find a fair way to mention your research and present it the way it is : yours.
All the best, the Learning Archivist

Stupid me! You got mail.

Check the 25x5 video for the Tell Me reference, then check Keith on Jimmy Fallon for the As Tears Go By...

Whether it was Tell me or It Should Be You, I'm almost positive it wasn't this...

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Come On

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Rockman
Everybody needs the 4.06

YES! and on vinyl...

I have it on vinyl, a few times...it's the SHORT version that's the collector's item though and I don't have that!

I've also read that the first song they wrote was It Should Be You. Perhaps it has been stated that it was Tell Me since that's the first officially released song? As Tears Go By was ONE of the first they wrote together, although as we all know, it was originally called As Time Goes By.

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Come On

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Rockman
Everybody needs the 4.06

YES! and on vinyl...

I have it on vinyl, a few times...it's the SHORT version that's the collector's item though and I don't have that!

Yup, and in Sweden it were the 2:48 version on a EP that was the common one...

were was wasp...who knows when it's put right...grumble grumble...

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Come On

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treaclefingers

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Come On

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Rockman
Everybody needs the 4.06

YES! and on vinyl...

I have it on vinyl, a few times...it's the SHORT version that's the collector's item though and I don't have that!

Yup, and in Sweden it were the 2:48 version on a EP that was the common one...

were was wasp...who knows when it's put right...grumble grumble...

I did not know that sir!

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Come On

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treaclefingers

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Come On

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Rockman
Everybody needs the 4.06

YES! and on vinyl...

I have it on vinyl, a few times...it's the SHORT version that's the collector's item though and I don't have that!

Yup, and in Sweden it were the 2:48 version on a EP that was the common one...

were was wasp...who knows when it's put right...grumble grumble...

But is it really an early alternative take that was included on the UK LP by mistake or so called 'single edit' with instrumental part after 2nd chorus edited out?

That is the question (c).

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i once had this series complete.. unfortunally they were stolen ://// (with my acdc discs too...)

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

Yeah Yeah Yeah -
The Old "Tell Me" - Story !
I´m sure that everything has been told before, - but this is
a classic Stones-Story, - that can´t be told too often !

On officially releases :

An alternate take, - 2.52, was released, - probably by mistake, -
on very early pressing-runs of the the No.1, - only to be identified by the
matrix-number.

The "real Tell Me" - soon replaced the alternate take, - running 4.08 -
with an abrupt ending !

This edit was later replaced by the "normal" faded edit 3.48, - still
the same take, -
and it had numerous runningtimes, - from 3.15, - on a French EP, -
to 3.54 on a German London-CD-release.
Whether it´s 3.15, -3.47, - 3.54 - or whatsoever, - it´s STILL the same take !

In the US - and other countries, - it was edited to a 7" version, - mainly
removing the instrumental part, - to a labeled runningtime 2.35.

Those can vary from 2.35 - to 2.43 - but basically the same edit !

"Tell Me" - a Great Song ! ! !

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HenrikBB
Yeah Yeah Yeah -
The Old "Tell Me" - Story !
I´m sure that everything has been told before, - but this is
a classic Stones-Story, - that can´t be told too often !

On officially releases :

An alternate take, - 2.52, was released, - probably by mistake, -
on very early pressing-runs of the the No.1, - only to be identified by the
matrix-number.

The "real Tell Me" - soon replaced the alternate take, - running 4.08 -
with an abrupt ending !

This edit was later replaced by the "normal" faded edit 3.48, - still
the same take, -
and it had numerous runningtimes, - from 3.15, - on a French EP, -
to 3.54 on a German London-CD-release.
Whether it´s 3.15, -3.47, - 3.54 - or whatsoever, - it´s STILL the same take !

In the US - and other countries, - it was edited to a 7" version, - mainly
removing the instrumental part, - to a labeled runningtime 2.35.

Those can vary from 2.35 - to 2.43 - but basically the same edit !

"Tell Me" - a Great Song ! ! !

Correct as of 2002.

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- 2002 edit of 4.05 or 4.08 version with late fade out. Not equivalent to previous 3.15, -3.47, - 3.54 - or whatsoever edit. Appeared on SACD releases after 2002.
- Rehearsal take on Soundtrack CD from 'Charlie is my darling'

"Yup, and in Sweden it were the 2:48 version on a EP that was the common one..."

Sorry, the Swedish EP had the 4.08 - version
with an abrupt ending !

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ironbelly

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HenrikBB
Yeah Yeah Yeah -
The Old "Tell Me" - Story !
I´m sure that everything has been told before, - but this is
a classic Stones-Story, - that can´t be told too often !

On officially releases :

An alternate take, - 2.52, was released, - probably by mistake, -
on very early pressing-runs of the the No.1, - only to be identified by the
matrix-number.

The "real Tell Me" - soon replaced the alternate take, - running 4.08 -
with an abrupt ending !

This edit was later replaced by the "normal" faded edit 3.48, - still
the same take, -
and it had numerous runningtimes, - from 3.15, - on a French EP, -
to 3.54 on a German London-CD-release.
Whether it´s 3.15, -3.47, - 3.54 - or whatsoever, - it´s STILL the same take !

In the US - and other countries, - it was edited to a 7" version, - mainly
removing the instrumental part, - to a labeled runningtime 2.35.

Those can vary from 2.35 - to 2.43 - but basically the same edit !

"Tell Me" - a Great Song ! ! !

Correct as of 2002.

Plus
- 2002 edit of 4.05 or 4.08 version with late fade out. Not equivalent to previous 3.15, -3.47, - 3.54 - or whatsoever edit. Appeared on SACD releases after 2002.
- Rehearsal take on Soundtrack CD from 'Charlie is my darling'

Very Interesting !
Yes, - I did abandon the rehearsal-take from "Charlie Is My Darling" -! - and you are true ! -
It exists !
But what do you mean with "Not equivalent to previous . . . . Appeared on
SACD releases after 2002" ?
Very exited ! . . . .

HenrikBB
So called "new ABKCO" version appeared on 2002 remasters. SACD hybrid discs from 2002 and their redbook reissues from 2006, japanese mini vinyls etc.

It is a compromise between 4.05 and 3.54 versions. Just slightly different fade out. It fades a bit later than the "old ABKCO" but does not cold end as on the first version of London CD.

Try to A->B any version from old ABKCO CD and SACD like EU version with catalog # 8822872.

That is the same take, but different fade. So, you know, you can call it a different edit of 4.05 version.



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ironbelly
HenrikBB
So called "new ABKCO" version appeared on 2002 remasters. SACD hybrid discs from 2002 and their redbook reissues from 2006, japanese mini vinyls etc.

It is a compromise between 4.05 and 3.54 versions. Just slightly different fade out. It fades a bit later than the "old ABKCO" but does not cold end as on the first version of London CD.

Try to A->B any version from old ABKCO CD and SACD like EU version with catalog # 8822872.

That is the same take, but different fade. So, you know, you can call it a different edit of 4.05 version.

You´re absolutely true !
Post 2002 a 3.59 fade seems to be the new standard.
- Still the same take, - but adding a "new" runningtime for this song.
I recall a tread a couple of years ago, - where someone had listed all runningtimes for "Tell Me" he knew of, - from More Hot Rocks, -
Rolled Gold, - etc. etc. - and I think he came up with at least 10 different
fades !
- and BTW, - the 7" version runs 2.36 on most vinyls, - but 2.44 on
CD - The London Years, - 1989