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josepi
The problem to me, anyway, is not that they do "oldies" per se. It's that they do the same old songs night after night, tour after tour, when they have such a great catalogue to choose from. Heck, 5 songs from Exile have NEVER been done live and another handful only a time or two. What happend to Aftermath and Between the Buttons??? I'd gladly fork over $1000 for a show that had a few like Doncha Bother Me, It's Not Easy, I Am Waiting, Flight 505, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones. What About BB? Parachute Woman, Dear Doctor, Jigsaw Puzzle. Just toss in a couple of the above and I'm happy.
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triceratops
Mick Jagger has lots more interests than music and at his age this is perfectly legitamite. He is a bit bored re-doing the music of his youth up on stage. Keith and Charlie too. Paul McCartney really likes doing this at 70+ years so more power to him!
I don't blame Mick one bit for steering The Stones into a less active direction than Paul who is busiser musically than he was 10 years ago. Paul got a second wind from marrying Nancy S. She inspires him!
So why are The Stones still out there touring? Because they are The Rolling Stones! And people expect it as much as the snow in Boston and Norway. The Stones see they are still wanted so they go out and fill this need and make some money too. So do the people in their organization which I believe is part of the reason they still go out. The Stones like seeing their people, their employees, earning money they depend on.[/quote
I don't buy that for one second. The Stones have been extremely active over the last decade plus, but activity does not equal creativity...The Stones have become a touring act that's only focus is the bottom line.
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triceratops
Mick Jagger has lots more interests than music and at his age this is perfectly legitamite. He is a bit bored re-doing the music of his youth up on stage. Keith and Charlie too. Paul McCartney really likes doing this at 70+ years so more power to him!
I don't blame Mick one bit for steering The Stones into a less active direction than Paul who is busiser musically than he was 10 years ago. Paul got a second wind from marrying Nancy S. She inspires him!
So why are The Stones still out there touring? Because they are The Rolling Stones! And people expect it as much as the snow in Boston and Norway. The Stones see they are still wanted so they go out and fill this need and make some money too. So do the people in their organization which I believe is part of the reason they still go out. The Stones like seeing their people, their employees, earning money they depend on.
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josepi
The problem to me, anyway, is not that they do "oldies" per se. It's that they do the same old songs night after night, tour after tour, when they have such a great catalogue to choose from. Heck, 5 songs from Exile have NEVER been done live and another handful only a time or two. What happend to Aftermath and Between the Buttons??? I'd gladly fork over $1000 for a show that had a few like Doncha Bother Me, It's Not Easy, I Am Waiting, Flight 505, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones. What About BB? Parachute Woman, Dear Doctor, Jigsaw Puzzle. Just toss in a couple of the above and I'm happy.
Oh sure, that sounds great, but I'm not sure this conglomeration on stage can do those songs justice anymore. I saw them in 2013 and they didn't rock through Get Off My Cloud, The Last Time, IORR, and Paint it Black, they waltzed through them lackadaisically.
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Might as well read:
"Paul McCartney has a top 5 single... tough it's nothing more than yet another one of those sh*ty st*nkers of songs, these insults to humanity he's been writing ever since who-knows-how-long; a man who defecates absolutely gruesome stuff like "Mull Of Kintire", "Ebony and Ivory", "the Girl is mine" ànd "ob la di (etc.)" in ONE & the same lifetime should never have been knighted but horendously tortured instead;
while Mick Jagger is happy, just like Stonesfans worldwide, having the Stones to be the killer LIVE act they've always been, first & foremost; being able to play from an almighty, almost surreally impressive backcatalogue with literally dozens of popular hits as well as all-time rock'n'roll classics that make it really REALLY hard NOT to play the same songs over & over again, especially in view of the crowds the're still catching..."
But I DO think I'm miscueing, here... (Where did I go wrong?!)
EDIT: Ooops - now I see. "...happy just like Stonesfans worldwide": should 've chosen those words more carefully.
no kidding.i'm filing this one under "beatleheads say the funniest things"
those #3 and #5 billboard chartings are absolute bombs that dropped off the charts after a few days.if one of them even made it to being a gold record i'd be shocked.
not to mention the music,if you can call it that, absolutly sucks on ice.its cringeworthy to even listen to paul try to get through one of his "new songs'
yet his lapdogs,i mean fans use all these flowery words they saw in music reviews-"its vital new grounbreaking material"-no its crap no one wants to hear from a has been who has lost his ability to write a decent song.
is he gonna do an entire live show of the songs from these records that didnt sell?-no, he's gonna make people suffer through a couple of them and then go to the hits.at least the stones knew when to give it up.
the title of this thread should be "paul mccartney crawls on his knees to kanye west to get a hit while the stones keep rolling"
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The problem to me, anyway, is not that they do "oldies" per se. It's that they do the same old songs night after night, tour after tour, when they have such a great catalogue to choose from. Heck, 5 songs from Exile have NEVER been done live and another handful only a time or two. What happend to Aftermath and Between the Buttons??? I'd gladly fork over $1000 for a show that had a few like Doncha Bother Me, It's Not Easy, I Am Waiting, Flight 505, All Sold Out, Miss Amanda Jones. What About BB? Parachute Woman, Dear Doctor, Jigsaw Puzzle. Just toss in a couple of the above and I'm happy.
Oh sure, that sounds great, but I'm not sure this conglomeration on stage can do those songs justice anymore. I saw them in 2013 and they didn't rock through Get Off My Cloud, The Last Time, IORR, and Paint it Black, they waltzed through them lackadaisically.
re: waltzing...Spot on! There's no way, no friggin' way they could possibly waltz thru Doncha Bother Me or All Sold Out. I love when Mick hits the falsetto in doncha bother me NO MO. Maybe my all time favorite moment in the entire catalogue. they couldn't possibly waltz it. no way. They'd have to step up. If they did Miss Amanda Jones i'd go out of my flippin mind. They could drive it thru the roof!
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ferrante9
no!!!!!!!!!
let me tell you what s up
can mick play jenny wren on the guitar?
can keith or ron play blackbird right???
that's what i thought
the stones are just straight rock and roll and that's about it.
macca can do all types of music. rock, heavy metal, folk, pop, disco, county, acoustic, ballads etc....
chaos and creation is the album of the year!!!!
driving rain was even better than forty licks!!! just listen to lonely road...the best song ever wrtitten since yesterday and hope of delivrance.
flamming pie and flowers in the dirt paul were both masterpieces.
off the ground was a worldwide smash hit!!!!
if it wasn't for macca, the stones would be nobody......who wrote i wanna be your man to make the stones popular????
the asnwer is paul mccartney.
who inveted havy metal? paul mccartney with helter skelter!!!!!!
who is a better musician overall ? paul mccartney.....versatile to say the least.
from drums to flute,........ he probably is a better drummer than charlie.....did you hear the drumming on back in the USSR????
macca is the best bassist of all time!!! just listen to silly love song......
macca is the best songwriter of all time and he is one of the best signer of all time too......listen to oh darling or lonley road......nevermind mick.
chaos and creation is a mellow album, however, it contains very melodic stuff ....bigger bang is just an hour of straight rock and roll...that's it!!!!
as far as the tour......pauls' tour is more fun because the music is a lot better.
the stones just goes trhough the set list quickly so they can go home.......no passion what so ever..........
and remember......tehs toens played in front of 450 000 in toronto, but it was a festival which featured other acts.
macca holds the recod of most people at a concert for a solo act...rio 1990 , in front of 184 000 people.
he also played in rome in 2003 in front of 500 000.....a freec oncert though.
wings outsold the stones and the beatles combined in the 70s
he is the richest musician of all time
he was named the most succesful composer of all time
what's up with that huh????
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Stoneage
They are both an oldies act. Sir Paul is perhaps a less predictable oldies act than Sir Michael. But Sir Michael's privat life is, on the other hand, perhaps, less predictable than Sir Paul's.
And the latter is what creates most media attention these days. Not so much the music. Which is old...
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RomanCandle
Great post drbryant.
"As I type he has the #4 single in America with Four, Five Seconds. A song that has hit #1 several different countries as well as #1 on the R+B chart in America and hit #2 in Europe."
top 5 single or no, that say nothing about the song itself
IMO, this is:
one of the worst Kanye West songs
one of the worst Rihanna songs
one of the worst Macca songs
The combination of three great pop musicians doesn't always make a great song.
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BowieStone
Why is it always Jaggers fault? If the stones was the only thing he did, the stones would be more than a nostalgia band. But the man has a lot of interests.
I think Keith is the most happy. He hasn't written a complete song in, what, 20 years?
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Since this Forum is again discussing Paul McCartney (something that seems to happen about as often as Ron Wood vs. Mick Taylor), I thought that I would repost one of the great posts from our beloved Macca-fan Ferrante9 (also known as Shearer9 and a few other names). He was special - other Macca fans have a high hurdle.Quote
ferrante9
no!!!!!!!!!
let me tell you what s up
can mick play jenny wren on the guitar?
can keith or ron play blackbird right???
that's what i thought
the stones are just straight rock and roll and that's about it.
macca can do all types of music. rock, heavy metal, folk, pop, disco, county, acoustic, ballads etc....
chaos and creation is the album of the year!!!!
driving rain was even better than forty licks!!! just listen to lonely road...the best song ever wrtitten since yesterday and hope of delivrance.
flamming pie and flowers in the dirt paul were both masterpieces.
off the ground was a worldwide smash hit!!!!
if it wasn't for macca, the stones would be nobody......who wrote i wanna be your man to make the stones popular????
the asnwer is paul mccartney.
who inveted havy metal? paul mccartney with helter skelter!!!!!!
who is a better musician overall ? paul mccartney.....versatile to say the least.
from drums to flute,........ he probably is a better drummer than charlie.....did you hear the drumming on back in the USSR????
macca is the best bassist of all time!!! just listen to silly love song......
macca is the best songwriter of all time and he is one of the best signer of all time too......listen to oh darling or lonley road......nevermind mick.
chaos and creation is a mellow album, however, it contains very melodic stuff ....bigger bang is just an hour of straight rock and roll...that's it!!!!
as far as the tour......pauls' tour is more fun because the music is a lot better.
the stones just goes trhough the set list quickly so they can go home.......no passion what so ever..........
and remember......tehs toens played in front of 450 000 in toronto, but it was a festival which featured other acts.
macca holds the recod of most people at a concert for a solo act...rio 1990 , in front of 184 000 people.
he also played in rome in 2003 in front of 500 000.....a freec oncert though.
wings outsold the stones and the beatles combined in the 70s
he is the richest musician of all time
he was named the most succesful composer of all time
what's up with that huh????
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BowieStone
Why is it always Jaggers fault? If the stones was the only thing he did, the stones would be more than a nostalgia band. But the man has a lot of interests.
I think Keith is the most happy. He hasn't written a complete song in, what, 20 years?
He has just completed an album with new songs + he wrote OMS in 2012.
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<<What is this, then?
[Doom and Gloom YoutTube clip]>>
A song they'll be dropping from their set list this summer and setting aside forever, like ABB (except in those European markets that made Streets of Love a hit).
wow...that's rough justice stonehearted.
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RomanCandle
Great post drbryant.
"As I type he has the #4 single in America with Four, Five Seconds. A song that has hit #1 several different countries as well as #1 on the R+B chart in America and hit #2 in Europe."
top 5 single or no, that say nothing about the song itself
IMO, this is:
one of the worst Kanye West songs
one of the worst Rihanna songs
one of the worst Macca songs
The combination of three great pop musicians doesn't always make a great song.
Do you think it would have been #4 without Kanye or Rihanna?
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RomanCandle
Great post drbryant.
"As I type he has the #4 single in America with Four, Five Seconds. A song that has hit #1 several different countries as well as #1 on the R+B chart in America and hit #2 in Europe."
top 5 single or no, that say nothing about the song itself
IMO, this is:
one of the worst Kanye West songs
one of the worst Rihanna songs
one of the worst Macca songs
The combination of three great pop musicians doesn't always make a great song.
Do you think it would have been #4 without Kanye or Rihanna?
No. The Kanye song has a nice enough melody, but the auto tune ruins it for me. The older/younger musician collaboration is nothing new. At least both of them are alive, the Natiale Cole/Nat King Cole thing was kinda creepy.
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RomanCandle
Great post drbryant.
"As I type he has the #4 single in America with Four, Five Seconds. A song that has hit #1 several different countries as well as #1 on the R+B chart in America and hit #2 in Europe."
top 5 single or no, that say nothing about the song itself
IMO, this is:
one of the worst Kanye West songs
one of the worst Rihanna songs
one of the worst Macca songs
The combination of three great pop musicians doesn't always make a great song.
Do you think it would have been #4 without Kanye or Rihanna?
No. The Kanye song has a nice enough melody, but the auto tune ruins it for me. The older/younger musician collaboration is nothing new. At least both of them are alive, the Natiale Cole/Nat King Cole thing was kinda creepy.
Really?!
I thought it was unforgettable.
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James Kirk
For the record when I started this thread my intention wasn't to discuss the success of Paul McCartney. My intention was simply to contrast McCartney's continuing creativity to the Stones total lack of output + continued repeating off themselves on the road doing nearly the same exact show year after year. You could substitute Bruce Springsteen or any number of other artists and the argument would still be valid.
The Stones are in a unique position to at least attempt to grow this music up with mature rock/blues records, but unlike McCartney they simply don't try. They just use their iconic brand to sell wildly expensive concert tickets to line their pockets...They are taking the easy way out.
They still have enough credibility to make albums that matter (like Bob Dylan for example) but they prefer to charge fans $500 to hear them sing "It's Only Rock + Roll" AGAIN and not even try to be creative.