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I just can't stand Jeff Beck. I can't stand his sound, his never ending wobbling on the tremelo bar, that horrible jazz/hardrock bullshit, and he always has that terrible band behind him. I know he is considered one of the greatest by many, many guitarists, but I can't stand him.

Don't like Jimmy Page neither.

Mathijs

Hahaha... I was waiting this announcement to come...

That said, I'm not particular fan of Beck either. Just not my cup of tea, even though I do recognize his talent and status/importance in a rock guitar history. A bit like 'problem' I have with the Beatles and Lennon/McCartney songs. I do recognize the genious, significance, greatness and everything, but you know... it just don't move very much, and I feel bored if I have to listen a whole Beatles album... I guess it is some kind of chemical reaction, which just doesn't happen... I have tried to educate my taste, but shit, it is such a stubborn son of bitch that it doesn't believe what I try to say to it...><

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Who ? Wyman ? Links please if not it didn't happen.

@bleedingman - thanks for linking that interview, that's pretty much what I remembered and posted above, my memory's still not too bad...for certain things at least ;-)

Keith. I replied to LuxuryStones's post.

Ah. Muziek krant "Oor", Volkskrant, and different RS books that were around in the mid and late 7-tees etc. I remember that I read it, but I don't have the crystal ball that you are looking for.

Mick and Keith were both surprised and annoyed by Taylor's decision, like they've said numerous times. There was no doubt about them wanting him to stay.

I don't know what you mean with "crystal ball" in this case, but they both stated this in several interviews. A drunk/stoned Keith saying a couple of times he was surprised Taylor stayed that long won't alter that (That's the BS part)

Mick Taylor talked about Jagger not getting credits, hassles between Richards and Taylor in the Studio,"you're no good in the Studio, too @#$%& loud", Jagger stated "Mick found it difficult to get along with Keith". Taylor rehearsing with Jack Bruce. These things happened while Taylor still was in the band. Richards must have noticed it and spoke about it in the press. What's wrong with that? Sure they were disappointed when Taylor left suddenly, quite an impolite thing to do. And Jagger is a diplomat, he always speaks like a gentleman about other people. No need for us to play Taylors' or Richards guardian angel here. Drugs egos, women, too much time and too much money. You and I don't know exactly what happened - we have no crystal ball that reveals everything

We certainly don't, but I found your statement: "They should have seen it coming" very crystal ball-esque



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We certainly don't, but I found your statement: "They should have seen it coming" very crystal ball-esque

Empathy is the key word, DP

I can empathise with that...

Here are some more tracks from my colored boot "Rolling Stones Black & Blue Sessions Vol.1 with special guest Jeff Beck.:
Side One:
Sometimes I Wonder Why
Crazy Mama (Other Version)
Back To The Country
Lady
Side Two:
Melody (Other Version)
Rollin' Reggae
Hey Negrita (Long version)
Fool To Cry (Other Version)

I don't think he played on all those songs.

Wasn't it also a song called Come On Sugar that he played on? Funky track.

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I don't think he played on all those songs.

Wasn't it also a song called Come On Sugar that he played on? Funky track.

Yes DP you are right Jeff Beck is on some tracks and the song Come On Sugar is not listed on this album and the sound quality is ok I think

It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

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It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

Never heard of this. Audio is also new to me. Overplaying for sure....

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I just can't stand Jeff Beck. I can't stand his sound, his never ending wobbling on the tremelo bar, that horrible jazz/hardrock bullshit, and he always has that terrible band behind him. I know he is considered one of the greatest by many, many guitarists, but I can't stand him.

Don't like Jimmy Page neither.

Mathijs

Hahaha... I was waiting this announcement to come...

That said, I'm not particular fan of Beck either. Just not my cup of tea, even though I do recognize his talent and status/importance in a rock guitar history. A bit like 'problem' I have with the Beatles and Lennon/McCartney songs. I do recognize the genious, significance, greatness and everything, but you know... it just don't move very much, and I feel bored if I have to listen a whole Beatles album... I guess it is some kind of chemical reaction, which just doesn't happen... I have tried to educate my taste, but shit, it is such a stubborn son of bitch that it doesn't believe what I try to say to it...><

- Doxa

How dare you? This is the most beautiful song ever written imo!

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It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

Jeezz.... That hurted my ears. This must be a fake.

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It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

Jan Akkerman with the Stones?

That would have lasted two days tops

you can hear the definitive vocals & back-up vocals.

the worst fake I ever heard.

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Interesting to hear how bad of a fit Jeff Beck was for the Stones. Thanks for posting!

Yep, surprisingly with Jeff it it sounded a bit "stalemate" to me, as if they din't want to make music together.

Sometimes, great musicians just can't make the magic together

His guestappearance in the first O2 show London 2012 hurted my ears. Way too loud in the beginning and I liked Ronnie and Keith solo's more.

My friend Thomas put it this way: When he saw Jeff Beck coming on stage and
starting to noodle, he said: "Like an overexcited dog that´s pissing in every
corner". EXACTLY!

Back on topic: Are there recordings of songs with other guitarists on this Rotterdam Sessions 1975 tape besides Jeff Beck?
Martin Elliot in his book wrote Jeff Beck was on Heat Wave, Freeway Jam, English Rose, Shame Shame Shame and Man Eating Woman. These are all on the two (TDK 90 minutes) which I bought in Amsterdam in the early 80's of the last century.
Have not listened to them in ages and can't see myself listening to the YouTube version lasting 2 hours and 22 minutes.
Are there people on here for who this is a new discovery?

Yes I have never heard this before. Does that make me a lesser fan somehow?

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I can't even think of any famous guitarist who sound like him.

Who?

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I can't even think of any famous guitarist who sound like him.

Who?

Here's the whole post that you are quoting:

[No, but there are actually far more technically advanced players out there than that of "to the bone"-players like Keith

There are probably many reasons for that, but one of them is that people are too much in a hurry to master everything that they forget to develop their own sound along the way.

Keith knew what he wanted, and stuck to that - for better or worse.

I can't even think of any famous guitarist who sound like him. The closest would perhaps be Lou Reed or Roger McGuinn. But both of them lack the phrasing and touch Keith has and are even more primitive players.]

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It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

I have never heard that rumour, and it certainly isn't true. Akkerman can't stand the Stones, but he liked Taylor.

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It's rumoured Dutch Axeman Akkerman also jammed with the Rolling Stones in '75,
but the Stones thought he overplayed even more than Taylor in '73. Bad audio quality, rare, but to be found in the boot circuit.

Never heard of this. Audio is also new to me. Overplaying for sure....

Sounds like someone playing and singing (talking) to the official track?

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Interesting to hear how bad of a fit Jeff Beck was for the Stones. Thanks for posting!

Yep, surprisingly with Jeff it it sounded a bit "stalemate" to me, as if they din't want to make music together.

Sometimes, great musicians just can't make the magic together

His guestappearance in the first O2 show London 2012 hurted my ears. Way too loud in the beginning and I liked Ronnie and Keith solo's more.

My friend Thomas put it this way: When he saw Jeff Beck coming on stage and
starting to noodle, he said: "Like an overexcited dog that´s pissing in every
corner". EXACTLY!

Back on topic: Are there recordings of songs with other guitarists on this Rotterdam Sessions 1975 tape besides Jeff Beck?
Martin Elliot in his book wrote Jeff Beck was on Heat Wave, Freeway Jam, English Rose, Shame Shame Shame and Man Eating Woman. These are all on the two (TDK 90 minutes) which I bought in Amsterdam in the early 80's of the last century.
Have not listened to them in ages and can't see myself listening to the YouTube version lasting 2 hours and 22 minutes.
Are there people on here for who this is a new discovery?

Yes I have never heard this before. Does that make me a lesser fan somehow?

No not at all! I am curious what you think of these recordings and if you hear something new (another guitarist) in there or have a different look.

That Jan Akkerman clip sounds like fake to me.

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Akkerman can't stand the Stones, but he liked Taylor.

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I think he liked Keith's groove as well. He didn't think much of Clapton, so I'm not entirely sure about Taylor.

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Akkerman can't stand the Stones, but he liked Taylor.

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I think he liked Keith's groove as well. He didn't think much of Clapton, so I'm not entirely sure about Taylor.

I have spoken to Akkerman a few times over the years (and jammed with him as well, which is something I don't advice anyone to do....), and he said he hated the scene around the Stones in 1973/1974 and he doesn't like the music at all. He doesn't understand how you can play an entire concert with just three chords, basically.

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Akkerman can't stand the Stones, but he liked Taylor.

Mathijs

I think he liked Keith's groove as well. He didn't think much of Clapton, so I'm not entirely sure about Taylor.

I have spoken to Akkerman a few times over the years (and jammed with him as well, which is something I don't advice anyone to do....), and he said he hated the scene around the Stones in 1973/1974 and he doesn't like the music at all. He doesn't understand how you can play an entire concert with just three chords, basically.

Mathijs

Very nice, playing for free with Akkerman. You will have learned something it seems to me? I was referring to the youtube clip were he's sitting on the backseat of the car, and commenting about the Les Paul. He didn't recognize Keiths'playing, thought it was Paul Kossoff, but he seemed to like the groove, Keith Richards intro "wicked as it seems", "Keith on a Tele or Musicman".

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