At the time I was in the homestretch of my 16th birthday just two months from turning seventeen. A friend of mine whom I happened to be hanging with at the time, had a girlfriend in South Buffalo who happened to be hanging with her friend and as the saying goes "three is company" so I tagged along to square things up.

As the night rolls along we are all lounging around the watching tv in the living room and we end up watching the football game. Of course the news flash cuts into the game with Howard Cosell's announcement about John Lennon.

The important thing to remember is that this is way before computers and the internet. The only info you got was from the radio, tv, or a magazine. Music was a big thing in the life of a teenager, as it is for all generations, but back then it WAS your only outlet from the rigors of school and family life. Back in the days when you didn't know the setlist of a band coming to town, or you listened to that new album on your clunky headphones, or the long conversations on the corded land-line phone with your friends.

All the years of rumors about the Beatles reuniting, and standing at a magazine rack scanning the latest issues of Creem and Rolling Stone for a hint of something from McCartney and Lennon were over. It was a feeling of total loss and dread.

If fluff bothers people perhaps they should avoid it instead of revelling in the discussion of it.

I was a boy when he was killed and it certainly taught me the awful truth that life can be an awful truth.

I was a Beatles fan from a very young age and remember being very disturbed and upset at his death and more so the way he died. I can only imagine how African Americans that looked to MLK for leadership must have felt when the same terrible thing befell him.

Lennon was a flawed human being at times in the extreme if you believe what's written, but at least he tried to promote the simplest and greatest thing there is - love. He put his fame to some very good use even if at times he was a little misdirected.

I am "accurate" in stating Lennon has influenced me in positive ways and that the world was for me a much better place that he was in it.

I can't speak for anyone else but then neither should you Stanlove as you've no more idea of what's in their heads than me with regard to how Lennon's life and/or death effected them.

Shine on JL.

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the true End of Innocence for music lovers throughout the world.

What on earth does that mean?

Good question. My innocence ended long before John Lennon's murder.

John Lennon was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. It's a serious problem here -- was a problem in 1981 and remains a problem today. About 24,000 Americans die each year by gunshot wounds, half as a result of suicide. Statistics are not kept on the number of wounded who survive.

I admire you Brits for your gun regulation laws. Just walking down a street in England is that much more pleasurable knowing you won't be a victim of random gun violence.

John Lennon was not an american.

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If fluff bothers people perhaps they should avoid it instead of revelling in the discussion of it.

I was a boy when he was killed and it certainly taught me the awful truth that life can be an awful truth.

I was a Beatles fan from a very young age and remember being very disturbed and upset at his death and more so the way he died. I can only imagine how African Americans that looked to MLK for leadership must have felt when the same terrible thing befell him.

Lennon was a flawed human being at times in the extreme if you believe what's written, but at least he tried to promote the simplest and greatest thing there is - love. He put his fame to some very good use even if at times he was a little misdirected.

I am "accurate" in stating Lennon has influenced me in positive ways and that the world was for me a much better place that he was in it.

I can't speak for anyone else but then neither should you Stanlove as you've no more idea of what's in their heads than me with regard to how Lennon's life and/or death effected them.

Shine on JL.

Once again I did not say it didn't effect people, I said the fluff if when people try to make it seem like it was a huge world changing event. Maybe for a very small minority like any other time a celeb dies but it was hardly a world changing event for the great, great majority of people who just rolled their eyes at people who claimed to be personally affected. The media never interviews those people when a celb dies, they should.

I consider comparing it to MLK's death to be silly and fluff..Lennon was a song writer who sprewed abut love and peace which amounted to nothing except him being seen by some in a light that he wanted to be seen in, and nothing else. MLK was a whole nothing matter. His death was a huge event and event changer.

AS for why I am on this thread, once again I hate fluff and I am big into accuracy. I don't like it when fans of certain celebs go around trying to build up the importance of their hero because he happened to be their hero...

lennon's death was sad and tragic like it is when anyone that young dies, but it changed nothing at all in the world, because he was not an important person in the big scheme of things..



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As some posters here are aware, I knew John Lennon. He considered me a friend but he also was well aware that I was a Rolling Stones fan..."not a Beatle person." And he would laugh and laugh when I reminded him of the fact.

For hundreds of millions of music fans who loved music, the Beatles and lived by what was playing on the Radio, the circumstances of his death WAS An End of Innocence.

I heard the news of his murder backstage at a rock concert. I did not cry.
I felt terrible for his sons, his wife, his Liverpool family and his friends.

Regarding the deaths of President Kennedy, his brother RFK, and Martin Luther King, I felt deep and lasting sorrow.

When people ask me if I have a hero, I always say, "Yes, John Lewis." A very brave and decent human being in the Congress of the USA (for those who don't know the back story of this friend of Martin Luther King.) Mr. Lewis went through hell on the bloody march across the Selma Bridge in the Sixties.

To Stanlove, I say only...Piss off.

stanlove-why why why did you awaken the beatle zombies?

i liked stonesrules post-"i knew john lennon,john lennon was a friend of mine-stanlove you're no john lennon"

people-the guy is just trying to bring a little perspective to what i'm sure is a heartfelt outpouring.

the beatles have the best fans i've ever seen.if you ever even think of downplaying the divine beatles and their all knowing,all powerful influence over the earth and all of the living creatures on it-they just flip out.

the vitriol is comical-the peace and love beatles fans telling a guy he's holding in pent up anger and bitterness,he's rude, angry etc for just giving an opinion.its the gift that keeps on giving.
i actually saw someone on here say the stones fans "have an inferiority complex about the beatles"-i was going but..but ..but i really,really dont think they were that good..honest...really.
but its like talking to people in a cult-if you say something that doesnt go along with their beliefs they cant process it.

i feel terrible that john lennon was shot.but what stanlove is saying is true,for every person standing in the cold with a candle there was a million more rolling their eyes.
it was the same as when elvis died 3 years before-his fans lost their freakin minds.telling them that this person was just a celebrity that sang,wasnt part of their family and didnt shape world events and only effected certain music fans in the western world....how dare you!!!!! ok man,just cam down...

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yes this is an online blog, and not a funeral memorial. Yet, also good manners and graceful behavior should be something you carry throughout your life. And to come here on a post about the sadness for so many over the loss of Lennon and debate and generally act mean spirited says much more about your character than any point you may being trying to make about your opinions of Lennon and history. Why would you want that to be part of who you are? Why not just let the people posting on this thread express their sadness and condolences for an artist many people are missing?

StanLove does make some good observations. Someone saying it was "the end of innocence, etc etc"...please

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If fluff bothers people perhaps they should avoid it instead of revelling in the discussion of it.

I was a boy when he was killed and it certainly taught me the awful truth that life can be an awful truth.

I was a Beatles fan from a very young age and remember being very disturbed and upset at his death and more so the way he died. I can only imagine how African Americans that looked to MLK for leadership must have felt when the same terrible thing befell him.

Lennon was a flawed human being at times in the extreme if you believe what's written, but at least he tried to promote the simplest and greatest thing there is - love. He put his fame to some very good use even if at times he was a little misdirected.

I am "accurate" in stating Lennon has influenced me in positive ways and that the world was for me a much better place that he was in it.

I can't speak for anyone else but then neither should you Stanlove as you've no more idea of what's in their heads than me with regard to how Lennon's life and/or death effected them.

Shine on JL.

Once again I did not say it didn't effect people, I said the fluff if when people try to make it seem like it was a huge world changing event. Maybe for a very small minority like any other time a celeb dies but it was hardly a world changing event for the great, great majority of people who just rolled their eyes at people who claimed to be personally affected. The media never interviews those people when a celb dies, they should.

I consider comparing it to MLK's death to be silly and fluff..Lennon was a song writer who sprewed abut love and peace which amounted to nothing except him being seen by some in a light that he wanted to be seen in, and nothing else. MLK was a whole nothing matter. His death was a huge event and event changer.

AS for why I am on this thread, once again I hate fluff and I am big into accuracy. I don't like it when fans of certain celebs go around trying to build up the importance of their hero because he happened to be their hero...

lennon's death was sad and tragic like it is when anyone that young dies, but it changed nothing at all in the world, because he was not an important person in the big scheme of things..

As the Stones say it's only Rock & Roll....nothing more ..............

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As some posters here are aware, I knew John Lennon. He considered me a friend but he also was well aware that I was a Rolling Stones fan..."not a Beatle person." And he would laugh and laugh when I reminded him of the fact.

For hundreds of millions of music fans who loved music, the Beatles and lived by what was playing on the Radio, the circumstances of his death WAS An End of Innocence.

I heard the news of his murder backstage at a rock concert. I did not cry.
I felt terrible for his sons, his wife, his Liverpool family and his friends.

Regarding the deaths of President Kennedy, his brother RFK, and Martin Luther King, I felt deep and lasting sorrow.

When people ask me if I have a hero, I always say, "Yes, John Lewis." A very brave and decent human being in the Congress of the USA (for those who don't know the back story of this friend of Martin Luther King.) Mr. Lewis went through hell on the bloody march across the Selma Bridge in the Sixties.

To Stanlove, I say only...Piss off.

stonesrule, your thoughts and stories are always a welcome and interesting read here on iorr, and even though I may have different views on some things, I salute your obviously good intentions on this thread and many others. The fact that you knew John Lennon gives you more than a little right to post in his memory as you see fit.

I believe John's influence was HUGE, not just musically, and in that respect his passing did indeed change the world. His importance to me as a young kid growing up in the remote mountains of Montana was large. And if he could influence me there, I can only imagine that his importance to millions of others was equally large or greater.

Don't let the posts of one divergent opinionated poster upset you, it ain't worth a single breath or thought.

Also your last post got me to do a little research on John Lewis, thanks for that. Here is an interesting New York Times article about the man.

[www.newyorker.com]

Your friend, Naturalust.

peace

One thing that occured to me in a conversation with a friend of mine a while ago - what would have done John Lennon during the 80's - a decade that was hard for most of the heroes of his generation, even the bigger ones... Dylan, Jagger... I mean the whole commercialism, MTV, Live Aid, Reagan, Thatcher, the new sounds... How would have Lennon reacted, what would have he done?

The more I think of I think he would have been an interesting figure in the middle of that. He was the person of his generation of pop stars who had matured most by then - he had left the biggest pop sensation ever existed to give more room to the real artist in himself, with no commercial constraints, or holding down his opinions, had a relationship with an 'odd' woman from avantgarde circles the whole rock scene loved to hate (and blame for killing the Beatles)... And suddenly, being just inspired to redescribe his life in music again, after years being 'just' a 'family man', he was gone.

A major loss for a whole rock culture. Since Dylan was way too intrinsic person to 'say' anything (he had done since the end of the sixties his best to not let people consider him as any kind of spokesman of anything, and let him just do his thing), McCartney just a gifted pop musician with nothing to say, and since Jagger just wanted to be an adored rock star, and didn't want to say anything to risk anything (unless it is trendy to do that), there was no other big figure from the big generation of rock music left for the people look upon. Someone people would even have listened to. And knowing his wit and common sense, and extraordinary talent to put all that in form of music, I am sure he would have something interesting to 'say' in whatever form it would have been.

Keith Richards fancied during the 80's with the idea that he would like to see the Stones and their generation to take the next step - how would they do when getting older. Well, with the Stones it turned to be that it is 'let's not to grow up at all, but let us pretend it is like nothing has really changed - let's play the same songs like when we were young and all that'. Somehow I think Lennon might have been that rock icon who actually could have taken that step, and see how the maturation actually turns up to be like in action. He had shown his ability to really think out of the box and old routines - to grow up. Somehow I cannot think him - had he survived the 80's - taking that 'nostalgic turn' like almost his big contemporaries took (not Dylan, though). Had he been around, there would have been at least one critical voice - me thinks - to comment all these McCartneys and Jaggers milking out the past. And I am sure that voice still would have mattered. He, still in the end, was probably the biggest of them all.

Just one thought-experiment to feel sorry for the tragic loss of this man.


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<<what would have done John Lennon during the 80's>>

He was keenly aware of the new music at the beginning of the eighties, and spoke fondly in interviews of such new bands of the time as the B-52s, so he likely wouldn't have stagnated musically. No doubt his 1981 tour (behind the Milk and Honey album) would have been a great success, and we would have heard updated versions of She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand, which Lennon was interested in playing for that tour.

Then there's also the Beatles reunion that was due to happen in 1983, according to the signed deposition, where they were going to record new incidental music for a documentary anthology project which then was under the working title of The Long and Winding Road (but which changed to The Beatles Anthology when the project finally came to fruition in the 1990s).

<<Keith Richards fancied during the 80's with the idea that he would like to see the Stones and their generation to take the next step - how would they do when getting older.>>

Keith would only have been following Lennon's lead, because with Double Fantasy Lennon (and Yoko) recorded and released rock's very first grown-up, middle-aged album. And if some found that approach a bit sedate, the Milk and Honey "outtakes" show that he could still rock with some authority and edge.

Naturalust, thanks for the nice message.

Your pal in rock and roll.

Once again I did not say it didn't effect people, I said the fluff if when people try to make it seem like it was a huge world changing event. Maybe for a very small minority like any other time a celeb dies but it was hardly a world changing event for the great, great majority of people who just rolled their eyes at people who claimed to be personally affected. The media never interviews those people when a celb dies, they should.

I consider comparing it to MLK's death to be silly and fluff..Lennon was a song writer who sprewed abut love and peace which amounted to nothing except him being seen by some in a light that he wanted to be seen in, and nothing else. MLK was a whole nothing matter. His death was a huge event and event changer.

AS for why I am on this thread, once again I hate fluff and I am big into accuracy. I don't like it when fans of certain celebs go around trying to build up the importance of their hero because he happened to be their hero...

lennon's death was sad and tragic like it is when anyone that young dies, but it changed nothing at all in the world, because he was not an important person in the big scheme of things..[/quote]

Yeah fair points and I agree that my comparison of MLK was a stretch with hindsight. You do let it bother you though which it needn't do with regard to "fluff' as you call it. Either way there's little point to coming onto a thread that's causing no harm and introducing agro simply because it annoys your sensibilities. Either way peace to you brother.

I just don't get why there has to be a debate on a thread acknowledging the sadness and loss with Lennon's murder? All I know is his death impacted me, my friends, and a lot of people I was around during the time.

Stonesrule you know I always love your posts! And love your insights and that you share your life with us giving some really nice gems. Thank you!

Thinking the Unthinkable about John Lennon

You always wonder how you will react to these things, but I can't say I was all that surprised when NBC broke into the tonight show to say that John Lennon was dead. I always though that he would be the first of the Beatles to die, because he was always the one who lived the most on the existential edge, whether by diving knees-first into left-wing adventurism or by just shutting up for five years when he decided he really didn't have anything much to say, but I had always figured it would be by his own hand. That he was merely gunned down by a probable psychotic only underscores the banality surrounding his death.

Look: I don't think I'm insensitive or a curmudgeon. In 1965 John Lennon was one of the most important people in the world. It's just that today I feel deeply alienated from rock-n-roll and what it has meant or could mean, alienated from my fellow men and women and their dreams or aspirations.

I don't know which is more pathetic, the people of my generation who refuse to let their 1960s adolescence die a natural death, or the younger ones who will snatch and gobble any shred, any scrap of a dream that someone declared over 10 years ago. Perhaps the younger ones are sadder, because at least my peers may have some nostalgic memory of the long-cold embers they're kneeling to blow upon, whereas the kids who have to make do with things like Beatlemania are being sold a bill of goods.

I can't mourn John Lennon. I didn't know the guy. But I do know that when all is said and done, that's all he was -- a guy. The refusal of his fans to ever let him just be that was finally almost as lethal as his "assassin" (and please, let's have no more talk of this being a "political" killing, and don't call him a rock-n-roll martyr). Did you watch the TV specials on Tuesday night? Did you see all those people standing in the street in front of the Dakota apartment where Lennon lived singing "Hey Jude"? What do you think the real -- cynical, sneeringly sarcastic, witheringly witty and iconoclastic -- John Lennon would have said about that?

John Lennon at his best despised cheap sentiment and had to learn the hard way that once you've made your mark on history those who can't will be so grateful they'll turn it into a cage for you. Those who choose to falsify their memories -- to pine for a neverland 1960s that never really happened that way in the first place -- insult the retroactive Eden they enshrine.

So in this time of gut-curdling sanctimonies about ultimate icons, I hope you will bear with my own pontifications long enough to let me say that the Beatles were certainly far more than a group of four talented musicians who might even have been the best of their generation. The Beatles were most of all a moment. But their generation was not the only generation in history, and to keep turning the gutted lantern of those dreams this way and that in hopes the flame will somehow flicker up again in the '80s is as futile a pursuit as trying to turn Lennon's lyrics into poetry. It is for that moment -- not for John Lennon the man -- that you are mourning, if you are mourning. Ultimately you are mourning for yourself.

Remember that other guy, the old friend of theirs, who once said, "Don't follow leaders?" Well, he was right. But the very people who took those words and made them into banners were violating the slogan they carried. And they're still doing it today. The Beatles did lead but they led with a wink. They may have been more popular than Jesus, but I don't think they wanted to be the world's religion. That would have cheapened and rendered tawdry what was special and wonderful about them. John Lennon didn't want that, or he wouldn't have retired for the last half of the '70s. What happened Monday night was only the most extreme extension of all the forces that led him to do so in the first place.

In some of his last interviews before he died, he said, "What I realized during the five years away was that when I said the dream is over, I had made the physical break from the Beatles but, mentally there is still this big thing on my back about what people expected of me." And: "We were the hip ones of the '60s. But the world is not like the '60s. The whole world has changed." And: "Produce your own dream. It's quite possible to do anything... the unknown is what it is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions."

Goodbye, baby and amen.

-- Lester Bangs, The Los Angeles Times, December 14, 1980



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AS for why I am on this thread, once again I hate fluff and I am big into accuracy. I don't like it when fans of certain celebs go around trying to build up the importance of their hero because he happened to be their hero...

oh my...

I'm amazed you haven't posted on every thread on this board.
The amount of "importance" a lot of members on this board put to The Stones is laughable...I would have expected you'll be shouting down the pro-Stones lovers also?

To John Lennon's credit, his legacy will live a lot longer than The Stones ever will.

It was a sad day...

Certainly there will be different opinions on this subject as any other. I respect others opinions and philosophies but I will maintain that John Lennon meant a lot to me. Today it's more about a memory true, but I will not forget how he helped shape me into the person I am. That is very big in my opinion. I would agree it's kind of odd that a Celebrity could do this. I laugh and scratch my head over this quite often. According to society this is something only family members should do. I have to say who's right? Sometimes I wonder if even Freud was right. Who can prove what? Can we even prove that God is great and the Devil is wrong? In the end it's about faith as far as I can tell. We can point fingers at each other all day and claim we're right and the others wrong, but who will win. Maybe nobody is suppose to win. That's something John would say I believe. I said it for him. This represents his influence. On the subject of MLK, I compare the two because John helped me realize prejudice is wrong amongst other things. It wasn't MLK that I got that from, because he wasn't my idol, though a great man himself. And what about The Stones on this subject? I wonder how many of these oppositionist will flip flop and mourn them heavily while saying it's bad or wrong about John Lennon. Also I would agree John himself would say knock it off with all the carrying on. I've thought that for years too. Still I appreciate him none the less. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not hurting anybody and I feel okay. Must not be too bad then.

Sometimes I think that this forum is populated with the extreme right of Rolling Stones fandom. How can a simple thread remembering John Lennon turn so ugly? What did he or any of the Beatles do to inspire such playground hatred?

I personally like both Beatles and Stones. I will admit to liking to Beatles slightly more. I got to them first and they opened my eyes to a lot of things musically and culturally, most significantly after getting into the Beatles I wanted to check out the Stones.

But honestly guys. Do you really have to prove your love of the Stones by shitting on the Beatles?



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Well said MtThompsonWooft. In case you missed it I've said a few times that I became a Beatles fan first but love The Stones more these days. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I think others believe a person must choose sides? Maybe I'm wrong but that's my thought.

Guess who wants forgiveness: [nypost.com]

I think most of the posters here appreciate the Beatles and the Stones....there always be a few of them to disliked them till dead.......glad some off them disappeared from this board especially mr. Beetle........

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Sometimes I think that this forum is populated with the extreme right of Rolling Stones fandom. How can a simple thread remembering John Lennon turn so ugly? What did he or any of the Beatles do to inspire such playground hatred?

I personally like both Beatles and Stones. I will admit to liking to Beatles slightly more. I got to them first and they opened my eyes to a lot of things musically and culturally, most significantly after getting into the Beatles I wanted to check out the Stones.

But honestly guys. Do you really have to prove your love of the Stones by shitting on the Beatles?

I agree...shows a massive inferiority complex.

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I think most of the posters here appreciate the Beatles and the Stones....there always be a few of them to disliked them till dead.......glad some off them disappeared from this board especially mr. Beetle........

He's still here. He posted in this thread.



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amazing they have the balls to have 'advice' for Yoko.

Although title is unfavorable, Ballad of J &Y is an R & R gem.

Sad she had to be involved.

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the true End of Innocence for music lovers throughout the world.

What on earth does that mean?

Good question. My innocence ended long before John Lennon's murder.

John Lennon was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. It's a serious problem here -- was a problem in 1981 and remains a problem today. About 24,000 Americans die each year by gunshot wounds, half as a result of suicide. Statistics are not kept on the number of wounded who survive.

I admire you Brits for your gun regulation laws. Just walking down a street in England is that much more pleasurable knowing you won't be a victim of random gun violence.

John Lennon was not an american.

Your point? He was killed in the United States and he was one of many, was my point.

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the true End of Innocence for music lovers throughout the world.

What on earth does that mean?

Good question. My innocence ended long before John Lennon's murder.

John Lennon was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. It's a serious problem here -- was a problem in 1981 and remains a problem today. About 24,000 Americans die each year by gunshot wounds, half as a result of suicide. Statistics are not kept on the number of wounded who survive.

I admire you Brits for your gun regulation laws. Just walking down a street in England is that much more pleasurable knowing you won't be a victim of random gun violence.

John Lennon was not an american.

Your point? He was killed in the United States and he was one of many, was my point.

You said he was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. John Lennon was not American. He was born in Liverpool, England. So, 11,999 Americans and one Englishman killed by gun violence in 1980!!

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the true End of Innocence for music lovers throughout the world.

What on earth does that mean?

Good question. My innocence ended long before John Lennon's murder.

John Lennon was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. It's a serious problem here -- was a problem in 1981 and remains a problem today. About 24,000 Americans die each year by gunshot wounds, half as a result of suicide. Statistics are not kept on the number of wounded who survive.

I admire you Brits for your gun regulation laws. Just walking down a street in England is that much more pleasurable knowing you won't be a victim of random gun violence.

John Lennon was not an american.

Your point? He was killed in the United States and he was one of many, was my point.

You said he was one of 12,000 Americans killed by gun violence in 1980. John Lennon was not American. He was born in Liverpool, England. So, 11,999 Americans and one Englishman killed by gun violence in 1980!!

He was an alien, a legal alien, an Englishman in New York.

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Just say it...Lennon is No 1 ....



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Looks like he thinks he is number two