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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: spikenyc ()
Date: January 4, 2025 06:59

BOB DYLAN NEWCASTLE 1984

Mick Taylor and Ian MacLagan shine on this!

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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: January 5, 2025 22:37

I saw the film this morning. At nearly two and a half hours, it might seem a little long for some, but I enjoyed it very much. I think I might even have had one of those misty-eyed, "I'm not crying, you're crying" moments when Bob and Joan sang "It Ain't Me Babe."



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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 6, 2025 00:00

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tatters
I saw the film this morning. At nearly two and a half hours, it might seem a little long for some, but I enjoyed it very much. I think I might even have had one of those misty-eyed, "I'm not crying, you're crying" moments when Bob and Joan sang "It Ain't Me Babe."

My dad saw it and definitely said there were moments were he reflected how lucky he and so many of us are that we lived through this special time. Bob and so many others at that time, did so many genius things. Its cool we have biopics for new generations to experience.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: January 22, 2025 00:39

Just got back from watching A Complete Unknown at the local cinema.
A lovely, well-made film, I greatly enjoyed it. One of the best biopics focused on a musician IMHO.
Timothée Chalamet delivers an admirable performance of Bob Dylan as a young artist, including singing and playing guitar by himself, which I felt is very convincing. He deserves the Oscar along with Marisa Abela who played Amy Winehouse in Back To Black, another musician’s biopic of recent make.

For me, nitpicking is not a way to go on these two flicks catered for the general public.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: January 22, 2025 01:51

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spikenyc
BOB DYLAN NEWCASTLE 1984

Mick Taylor and Ian MacLagan shine on this!

[www.youtube.com]

Now THAT is Sir Bobness in his wonderful Best!!!smileys with beer

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 22, 2025 01:54

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RisingStone
Just got back from watching A Complete Unknown at the local cinema.
A lovely, well-made film, I greatly enjoyed it. One of the best biopics focused on a musician IMHO.
Timothée Chalamet delivers an admirable performance of Bob Dylan as a young artist, including singing and playing guitar by himself, which I felt is very convincing. He deserves the Oscar along with Marisa Abela who played Amy Winehouse in Back To Black, another musician’s biopic of recent make.

For me, nitpicking is not a way to go on these two flicks catered for the general public.

Didn't see the Winehouse one, but just saw the Dylan one last week.

I didn't think it was perfect (what movie is?) but I get the hype and thought it was about as well done as you could do that story. Timmy was great, as was Norton as Pete Seeger and the one who played Joan Baez (she sounded just like her). Elle Fanning was great too. Well acted, well paced, great attention to costume and set design. They took some liberties to people that know the history well, but what I appreciated was it wasn't distracting. Sure, Judas wasn't done till a year later in Europe and not at Newport, but the sentiment is the same and makes sense to condense.

Tim really was so great. His transformation from later Dylan from early Dylan completely sold me, and I didn't think he overacted in the role. They made a lot of things that could have easily been overdramatic (his just coming up with Like A Rolling Stone) believable. I don't think he'll win the Oscar, but I wouldn't be upset if he did. It'll depend who his competition is (right now, I'm guessing Adrien Brody). And Norton was as good as everyone said. If I had to quibble, it was that you really didn't get any deeper into Bob. He's just kind of a genius, that had all these songs. Its very surface level. Which on one hand I want to know more, but on the other that does seem that's exactly how Dylan was/is. He's an enigma, and even he can't really explain where those songs came from so why true to fabricate a reason. I think acknowledging it would have been nice, but overall wasn't a detractor for me. His singing and playing (everyone in the film doing so) was damn impressive and I figured it would be in good hands with the Walk The Line guy and happy to see it is.

Would definitely recommend and now I can't stop listening to Dylan. What a @#$%& genius he is. I guess he could come off as an @#$%& for what he did to the Newport Folk Festival, seeming like they raised him and then he just turned his back on that movement. But he was already on a different plain, and crazy how much talent he had brimming from him.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: January 22, 2025 03:31

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RollingFreak
His singing and playing (everyone in the film doing so) was damn impressive

If Cillian Murphy can get an Oscar (well deserved IMHO) for playing Oppenheimer, but without the ability to do any Theoretical Physics, then Timothée Chalamet has to get one as he both acted AND performed the substance of the part.

I do strongly agree with RollingFreak that the fact that the actors for all of the main parts did their own performing and didn't mime etc. makes all of the performances outstandingly good.

Having just watched a biog of Joan Baez we knew how much the cover differed from the original - but that's only because the real Joan Baez had such a freaky pure voice. Monica Barbaro did an outstanding job at the covers without getting too literal in an impossible situation.

Captain Corella

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: pmk251 ()
Date: January 22, 2025 04:51

Last week I recorded (again) and watched (again) Don't Look Back, a documentary of Dylan's '65 acoustic tour of England. I'm not sure how any bio-movie could touch that. At that time Bob was the coolest guy on the planet and he knew it. He had the look, the songs, the lyrics and, yes, that voice. The hotel room scene with Donovan is startling, funny, cruel. Bob's short performance of Baby Blue is prescient and powerful.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: January 22, 2025 05:09

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pmk251
Last week I recorded (again) and watched (again) Don't Look Back, a documentary of Dylan's '65 acoustic tour of England. I'm not sure how any bio-movie could touch that. At that time Bob was the coolest guy on the planet and he knew it. He had the look, the songs, the lyrics and, yes, that voice. The hotel room scene with Donovan is startling, funny, cruel. Bob's short performance of Baby Blue is prescient and powerful.

Is that the movie where there's a scene with Bob (and entourage) watching TV in a hotel room and there's some early film being shown (on TV) of (one of) Stones/Beatles/Clapton/Who?

Captain Corella

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: frenki09 ()
Date: January 22, 2025 10:38

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pmk251
Last week I recorded (again) and watched (again) Don't Look Back, a documentary of Dylan's '65 acoustic tour of England. I'm not sure how any bio-movie could touch that. At that time Bob was the coolest guy on the planet and he knew it. He had the look, the songs, the lyrics and, yes, that voice. The hotel room scene with Donovan is startling, funny, cruel. Bob's short performance of Baby Blue is prescient and powerful.

Why is it cruel? I cannot recall that scene. Wasn't Donovan showing Dylan the song Catch The Wind?

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: windmelody ()
Date: January 22, 2025 11:37

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pmk251
Last week I recorded (again) and watched (again) Don't Look Back, a documentary of Dylan's '65 acoustic tour of England. I'm not sure how any bio-movie could touch that. At that time Bob was the coolest guy on the planet and he knew it. He had the look, the songs, the lyrics and, yes, that voice. The hotel room scene with Donovan is startling, funny, cruel. Bob's short performance of Baby Blue is prescient and powerful.

The problem is, that if you are the coolest guy on the planet, and you realize that, you are not the coolest guy on the planet anymore.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: johnnythunders ()
Date: January 22, 2025 11:50

So – random thoughts on last night’s screening of No Direction Home

It does not feel like 2hrs 20 – good sense of pace
Period feel is great
You can tell the exact moment when Dylan starts doing speed
Was Joan Baez really that annoying ?
Did not realise that Dylan and Cash went so far back
Strong supporting cast especially Seeger, Grossman
What is the point of Bob Neuwirth?
Think the Suzy Rotolo character underplays her strength and independence
I forgive most of the inaccuracies made in the name of expedience but moving “play f*cking loud” from Manchester to Newport and then leaving out the “f*cking” – no
The singing and playing are all first rate

I still think Dylan was a rock’n’roller who cynically exploited the folk boom and then jettisoned it as soon as he could to be a pop star, but my friend Harry tells me I ‘m wrong about that

I really enjoyed it – right up there with Walk The Line (same director) as a biopic

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 22, 2025 11:53

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johnnythunders
So – random thoughts on last night’s screening of No Direction Home

It does not feel like 2hrs 20 – good sense of pace
Period feel is great
You can tell the exact moment when Dylan starts doing speed
Was Joan Baez really that annoying ?
Did not realise that Dylan and Cash went so far back
Strong supporting cast especially Seeger, Grossman
What is the point of Bob Neuwirth?
Think the Suzy Rotolo character underplays her strength and independence
I forgive most of the inaccuracies made in the name of expedience but moving “play f*cking loud” from Manchester to Newport and then leaving out the “f*cking” – no
The singing and playing are all first rate

I still think Dylan was a rock’n’roller who cynically exploited the folk boom and then jettisoned it as soon as he could to be a pop star, but my friend Harry tells me I ‘m wrong about that

I really enjoyed it – right up there with Walk The Line (same director) as a biopic

I've never really been able to figure out Dylan as a person honestly. He's a bit like Mick in that he's insanely private (managed to keep at least one marriage and kid a secret for years!) but at least Mick shares a little more of himself it feels like. Or maybe that's just good acting on his part.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: frenki09 ()
Date: January 22, 2025 12:07

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johnnythunders
I still think Dylan was a rock’n’roller who cynically exploited the folk boom and then jettisoned it as soon as he could to be a pop star, but my friend Harry tells me I ‘m wrong about that

Oh, yes! There might be some truth in there somewhere, although it sounds more like a flat-Earth conspiracy. I can see the grin on Dylan's face as he reads your comment...

It was in his senior yearbook while attending Hibbing High School that Dylan professed his fondness for Richard, where he filled in the section that started with: “We’ll remember always…” by finishing “to join ‘Little Richard’.”

Little Richard was everything to him and then he went folk.

Eventually, Dylan would leave rock and roll to the wayside. “The thing about rock’n’roll is that for me anyway it wasn’t enough,” Dylan told Cameron Crowe in 1985. “There were great catch-phrases and driving pulse rhythms … but the songs weren’t serious or didn’t reflect life in a realistic way. I knew that when I got into folk music, it was more of a serious type of thing. The songs are filled with more despair, more sadness, more triumph, more faith in the supernatural, much deeper feelings.”

But after he reintroduced himself to rock and roll, Dylan was actually able to perform with Richard later in life. “I played some shows with him in Europe in the early nineties and got to hang out in his dressing room a lot,” Dylan tweeted out in response to the performer’s death in 2020. “He was always generous, kind and humble. And still dynamite as a performer and a musician and you could still learn plenty from him.”

Adding: “I’m so grieved. He was my shining star and guiding light back when I was only a little boy. His was the original spirit that moved me to do everything I would do… In his presence he was always the same Little Richard that I first heard and was awed by growing up and I always was the same little boy. Of course he’ll live forever. But it’s like a part of your life is gone.”

Far Out Mag

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 23, 2025 03:45

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johnnythunders
I forgive most of the inaccuracies made in the name of expedience but moving “play f*cking loud” from Manchester to Newport and then leaving out the “f*cking” – no

I also thought that was funny. I almost audibly during the movie was like "come on!" Not like it was because it was PG-13 or anything.

If anyone is interested, the No Direction Home doc from 20 years ago is a great companion to this movie. They nailed a good amount of this it seems like, and obviously dramatized and sped things up for movie time purposes, most of which seem like the right call:

[rumble.com] ... -2005.html

[rumble.com] ... -2005.html

For what its worth, they interview Dylan in it and based on that and the press conferences from the 60s, it genuinely does seem like he wanted to do folk when he did, and then he wanted to do rock when that struck him. He just moved like the wind, and he couldn't explain it even though everyone wanted to know. Honestly, maybe it was silly everyone cared so much. He was doing what he wanted. A complex, private man.



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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 23, 2025 05:02

Finally watched Rolling Thunder Revue, didn't think I would enjoy it but I fell in love with it.. I thought some of the live performances were amazing, Isis, Hurricane, my favorite part was watching a more modern day Dylan reflect back on it, it's the most unguarded I remember seeing him in interviews -- maybe there's a lot more interview material like that but the clips I always catch he seems like he's playing the iconic mystery man.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: ChrisL ()
Date: January 23, 2025 17:43

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snoopy2
Finally watched Rolling Thunder Revue, didn't think I would enjoy it but I fell in love with it.. I thought some of the live performances were amazing, Isis, Hurricane, my favorite part was watching a more modern day Dylan reflect back on it, it's the most unguarded I remember seeing him in interviews -- maybe there's a lot more interview material like that but the clips I always catch he seems like he's playing the iconic mystery man.

Sort of unguarded. Much of the modern stuff is untrue, as part of the gag of doing the film.

OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: January 23, 2025 18:00



"A Complete Unknown" received an Oscar nomination for Best Picture, and Timothée Chalamet was nominated for Best Actor. James Mangold was nominated for Best Director. Monica Barbaro (Joan Baez) and Edward Norton (Pete Seeger) received Actress In A Supporting Role and Actor In A Supporting Role nominations.

The film received 8 total nominations.

[www.oscars.org]

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 23, 2025 18:23

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ChrisL
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snoopy2
Finally watched Rolling Thunder Revue, didn't think I would enjoy it but I fell in love with it.. I thought some of the live performances were amazing, Isis, Hurricane, my favorite part was watching a more modern day Dylan reflect back on it, it's the most unguarded I remember seeing him in interviews -- maybe there's a lot more interview material like that but the clips I always catch he seems like he's playing the iconic mystery man.

Sort of unguarded. Much of the modern stuff is untrue, as part of the gag of doing the film.



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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 23, 2025 20:48

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ChrisL
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snoopy2
Finally watched Rolling Thunder Revue, didn't think I would enjoy it but I fell in love with it.. I thought some of the live performances were amazing, Isis, Hurricane, my favorite part was watching a more modern day Dylan reflect back on it, it's the most unguarded I remember seeing him in interviews -- maybe there's a lot more interview material like that but the clips I always catch he seems like he's playing the iconic mystery man.

Sort of unguarded. Much of the modern stuff is untrue, as part of the gag of doing the film.

For anyone that hasn't seen, its great even if they (in such typical Dylan fashion) threw in a whole other angle to joke with people:

[archive.org]

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RnT ()
Date: January 23, 2025 20:59

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snoopy2
Finally watched Rolling Thunder Revue, didn't think I would enjoy it but I fell in love with it.. I thought some of the live performances were amazing, Isis, Hurricane, my favorite part was watching a more modern day Dylan reflect back on it, it's the most unguarded I remember seeing him in interviews -- maybe there's a lot more interview material like that but the clips I always catch he seems like he's playing the iconic mystery man.

If you like the Rolling Thunder tour, try to find Larry "Ratso" Sloman's book 'On The Road With Bob Dylan'. A great book by a man who was actually there.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 23, 2025 22:37





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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: mikey C ()
Date: January 24, 2025 12:45

I saw the Dylan film last night I recommend it very enjoyable!Peace.M

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: MelBelli ()
Date: January 24, 2025 14:37

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Rockman

Someone should make a movie about that period. THAT would be truly fascinating. Bob railing against KISS!

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: Zotz ()
Date: January 25, 2025 01:30

The Chopped Liver Band (Bob Dylan x Pete Himmelmam x Harry Dean Stanton)

Songs

1- "Ein Schlaf Mein Kind"
2- "La Adelita [Mexican folk song]
3- "Hava Nagila"


video: [youtu.be]



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Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 26, 2025 19:14

As someone who poured over liner notes for hours as a kid and owned/loved the Infidels LP, it took me until last year to realize Mick Taylor plays on it.. Maybe I knew it then, went on with my life and forgot about it, I’ll never know.

P.s. still miffed a bit about the whole gag of Rollin Thunder Revue.. Bob I get doing it, but Marty? Maybe Taxi Driver is really a documentary disguised as narrative.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 26, 2025 23:12

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snoopy2
P.s. still miffed a bit about the whole gag of Rollin Thunder Revue.. Bob I get doing it, but Marty? Maybe Taxi Driver is really a documentary disguised as narrative.
I don't disagree, but what are ya gonna do. Marty is an ass kisser, so he'll do whatever the artist wants. And I guess its be able to make one under Bob's conditions, with new interviews with him (however inaccurate moments might be), or not get the chance to do. Or one gets made without Bob's involvement. This is probably the best that could be hoped for, and in the end it provides some incredible footage at the very least. And its long, which doesn't actually do it any favors, but at least they threw everything in instead of making it short. Overall, its far from perfect, but I'm still happy to exists. Bob's participation alone, no matter how brief, makes it worth it to me.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: January 27, 2025 02:07

Chalamet dug deep last night -- Bob himself has never performed "Three Angels" in concert:

[youtu.be]

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: January 27, 2025 17:11

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MelBelli
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Rockman

Someone should make a movie about that period. THAT would be truly fascinating. Bob railing against KISS!

I'm fascinated by that period of his. Some of the music was very good, some not so much, but fascinating period. I might be one of the few who bought the "super super" deluxe version of Trouble No more which included an extra concert CD, which quite frankly is just another concert, nothing special, wasn't really worth it, however I highly recommend the regular box set.

Re: OT:Bob Dylan stuff
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: January 27, 2025 17:12

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Glam Descendant
Chalamet dug deep last night -- Bob himself has never performed "Three Angels" in concert:

[youtu.be]

That was very interesting. Didn't know if he was going to do it as Dylan or put his own spin on it, was the latter which was pretty cool



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