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Artistic/Poetic license. It's the same reason when we go see a Scorsese film we don't get offended by the extreme profanity, racial slurs and violence. It's not real life. Now if Mick were to be caught saying those things in a non performance context, would be entirely different story.

Good point--most of these songs are from the point of view of personas, rather than Mick personally.

Almost like a novelist (Lennon sarcastically accused McCartney of writing characters in his songs as if a novelist).

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Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

I honestly think that was a clash of cultures coming to play. I think the British are more self deprecating and he meant it as a levity thing, in an otherwise horrible situation. That joke woulda killed in London!

Exactly.

Just think of the terrible "Gunface" lyrics from "Bridges To Babylon";

"Your tongue lickin` way out of place,
I`ll rip it out,
I`ll stick a gun in your face,
you`ll pay with your life."

Jaggers lyrics must be childrens fairytales compared to every rapper/hip hopper...

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Jaggers lyrics must be childrens fairytales compared to every rapper/hip hopper...

That's an incredibly fair point.

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Jaggers lyrics must be childrens fairytales compared to every rapper/hip hopper...

That's an incredibly fair point.

To Jagger's lyrics?

what's his worst one?

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He didn't really get away with some of it. He had some troubles with all the lyrics you mentioned when they were released.

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Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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Mick Jagger, 12/12/12
“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

(Can you explain) why?

And also: what does it (possibly) have to do with 'let alone the two-song set list' to judge it as "almost be a slap in the face"?
In my view: there was no law that said they had to be there but they were and they supported with two songs because that probably was a result of what was possible and what they wanted - imo it was great for everyone they were there too so...why question it like that
And the joke imo has to do with this British thing with rain; they are whining about rain for so many centuries that it's become pretty laughable for them...a way of coping with their lack of sunshine.

I thought of their two-song setlist as them saying, "Alright, we're having a $50 PPV tomorrow, see more songs then!" I suppose it could be misinterpreted (like I did), but comparing rain to a Hurricane that killed over 100 people...that just seems like a joke backfiring.
Here's a few links to journalism websites that were offended by Jagger's comments:
International Business Times
CBS New York

BTW-I do think that PC could have played a role in this, in retrospect.

Bright side is that their whole performance is on all of the 12/12/12 releases!

I really think Stray Cat Blues is very raw!

Bet your mamma don't know that you spit like that...
And Mick is talking about a thirteen years old!

To my ears it sound much more raw than "Down with your bedclothes, up with your nightshirt. You won't shout as I fiddle about" from Tommy. Uncle Ernie is a caracter, in Stray Cat Blues there's no caracter at all! Just Mick Jagger singing.

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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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Mick Jagger, 12/12/12
“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

I find it funny. Maybe you should get yourself accostumed to the witty English humour?
I mean, there's a life beyond SNL and its ungainliness...

Never! I'm perfectly fine with all my squeaky-clean SNL/Bill Cosby/George Carlin comedy!

(Pssst! One of those things is not like the other!)

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I really think Stray Cat Blues is very raw!

Bet your mamma don't know that you spit like that...
And Mick is talking about a thirteen years old!

To my ears it sound much more raw than "Down with your bedclothes, up with your nightshirt. You won't shout as I fiddle about" from Tommy. Uncle Ernie is a caracter, in Stray Cat Blues there's no caracter at all! Just Mick Jagger singing.

SCB is very raw. BTW-Nice signature!

I walk the streets of love...

Horrible and offensive to every Stones fan.

Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!



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Mick has gotten away with lyrics no one else could.

Wonder if he has regrets about the Ya Ya's Stray Cat Blues? "I can see that your just thirteen years old. I don't want your ID. You look so lonesome and you, so far from home".

Nah. That's typical of old blues men. You know, tighter...

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Just think of the terrible "Gunface" lyrics from "Bridges To Babylon";

"Your tongue lickin` way out of place,
I`ll rip it out,
I`ll stick a gun in your face,
you`ll pay with your life."

Terrible indeed - awful bad. Those songs are offensive. Like Streets Of Love, Rock And A Hard Place, Following The River, Winning Ugly - just incredibly offensive.

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I walk the streets of love...

Horrible and offensive to every Stones fan.

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I was gonna go with the "alcoholic c#nts likes knives" from I Go Wild and "all get together and f#ck all night" from Suck On The Jugular. Not because of the cussing, but because the lyrics are so hacky and forced.

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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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Mick Jagger, 12/12/12
“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

(Can you explain) why?

And also: what does it (possibly) have to do with 'let alone the two-song set list' to judge it as "almost be a slap in the face"?
In my view: there was no law that said they had to be there but they were and they supported with two songs because that probably was a result of what was possible and what they wanted - imo it was great for everyone they were there too so...why question it like that
And the joke imo has to do with this British thing with rain; they are whining about rain for so many centuries that it's become pretty laughable for them...a way of coping with their lack of sunshine.

I thought of their two-song setlist as them saying, "Alright, we're having a $50 PPV tomorrow, see more songs then!" I suppose it could be misinterpreted (like I did), but comparing rain to a Hurricane that killed over 100 people...that just seems like a joke backfiring.
Here's a few links to journalism websites that were offended by Jagger's comments:
International Business Times
CBS New York

BTW-I do think that PC could have played a role in this, in retrospect.

Bright side is that their whole performance is on all of the 12/12/12 releases!

Hmmm. Well, I didn't think it was funny, it was horrible humour from someone that always seems out of touch about disasters. I thought it was rather bland - just like the songs they played. And then there's the whole 'Superstorm' (which I've never understood) and 'was it a hurricane? it wasn't a hurricane' - which it wasn't at landfall but whatever - thing.

I thought it was funny. Chacun a son gout.

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Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!

well I'm not personally offended...I just think that if you look at them as they are, they would probably be seen as being offensive.

My point is how does such a mainstream band get away with it over and over unlike most bands? (until you get to more recent hip hop/rap).

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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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Mick Jagger, 12/12/12
“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

To each it's own - I was laughing my a** off when I first heard it. I absolutely love that sense of dry, British humor

Why would you laugh your butt of at it..Its not really funny. Never understand why people feel the need to laugh at everything their favorite band says. he wanted to say someone and he put it in a cool way, not offensive or really funny.

People who comaplained about it just made fools of themselves..People looking to be offended..

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BeforeTheyMakeMeRun
Not exactly lyrics, but don't forget the 12-12-12 Benefit for the U.S. dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, a world-wide broadcast and released concert. In between their two songs they performed, Mick had the audacity to poke some fun at the ordeal, saying,

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Mick Jagger, 12/12/12
“This has got to be the largest collection of old English musicians ever assembled in Madison Square Garden. But I've got to say, if it rains in London, you've got to come and help us, OK?”

The first half isn't anything too offensive, but the bold part is the part that was probably meant to lighten the mood, but came off as offensive. That comment, let alone the two-song set list, seemed to almost be a slap in the face. I don't care if they had a PPV the following night, that comment was downright rude.

I find it funny. Maybe you should get yourself accostumed to the witty English humour?
I mean, there's a life beyond SNL and its ungainliness...

The English are always ready to tell you how funny they are...

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Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!

well I'm not personally offended...I just think that if you look at them as they are, they would probably be seen as being offensive.

My point is how does such a mainstream band get away with it over and over unlike most bands? (until you get to more recent hip hop/rap).

Other than the bit about black girls just want to get fuucked all night, which got some attention but shouldn't have, any offensive lyrics by the Stones remain tepid at best. I can't think of one person that was offended by the line in I Go Wild. Nobody noticed. Besides, it was rather appropriate.

Current (and last 20 years or so of) hip hop/rap lyrics aren't offensive because they're not being listened to by the pathetic people that found Under My Thumb, Stupid Girl and whatever else offensive.

List what you mean by 'most bands' that have 'offensive lyrics'. I can't think of any other than GNR's One In A Million.

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Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!

well I'm not personally offended...I just think that if you look at them as they are, they would probably be seen as being offensive.

My point is how does such a mainstream band get away with it over and over unlike most bands? (until you get to more recent hip hop/rap).

Other than the bit about black girls just want to get fuucked all night, which got some attention but shouldn't have, any offensive lyrics by the Stones remain tepid at best. I can't think of one person that was offended by the line in I Go Wild. Nobody noticed. Besides, it was rather appropriate.

Current (and last 20 years or so of) hip hop/rap lyrics aren't offensive because they're not being listened to by the pathetic people that found Under My Thumb, Stupid Girl and whatever else offensive.

List what you mean by 'most bands' that have 'offensive lyrics'. I can't think of any other than GNR's One In A Million.

Put it another way.

If U2 came out with, 'black girls just wanna get F... all night', what would the public reaction be?

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Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!

well I'm not personally offended...I just think that if you look at them as they are, they would probably be seen as being offensive.

My point is how does such a mainstream band get away with it over and over unlike most bands? (until you get to more recent hip hop/rap).

Other than the bit about black girls just want to get fuucked all night, which got some attention but shouldn't have, any offensive lyrics by the Stones remain tepid at best. I can't think of one person that was offended by the line in I Go Wild. Nobody noticed. Besides, it was rather appropriate.

Current (and last 20 years or so of) hip hop/rap lyrics aren't offensive because they're not being listened to by the pathetic people that found Under My Thumb, Stupid Girl and whatever else offensive.

List what you mean by 'most bands' that have 'offensive lyrics'. I can't think of any other than GNR's One In A Million.

Put it another way.

If U2 came out with, 'black girls just wanna get F... all night', what would the public reaction be?

The difference is they know the Stones will not bow to pressure of apologize. The PC bullies can't bully people like that so they don't like to go after them..Bono would have a press conference, cry and ask for forgivness, plus probably give some money to someone's favorite charity.

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Those (the first posted lyrics in question) aren't offensive. Pish posh!

well I'm not personally offended...I just think that if you look at them as they are, they would probably be seen as being offensive.

My point is how does such a mainstream band get away with it over and over unlike most bands? (until you get to more recent hip hop/rap).

Other than the bit about black girls just want to get fuucked all night, which got some attention but shouldn't have, any offensive lyrics by the Stones remain tepid at best. I can't think of one person that was offended by the line in I Go Wild. Nobody noticed. Besides, it was rather appropriate.

Current (and last 20 years or so of) hip hop/rap lyrics aren't offensive because they're not being listened to by the pathetic people that found Under My Thumb, Stupid Girl and whatever else offensive.

List what you mean by 'most bands' that have 'offensive lyrics'. I can't think of any other than GNR's One In A Million.

Put it another way.

If U2 came out with, 'black girls just wanna get F... all night', what would the public reaction be?

The difference is they know the Stones will not bow to pressure of apologize. The PC bullies can't bully people like that so they don't like to go after them..Bono would have a press conference, cry and ask for forgivness, plus probably give some money to someone's favorite charity.

OK, so are you saying the reason the Stones get away with it, is that the public knows they won't apologize, so the choice of the public is to live with it and accept it and still embrace the band?

I want to reiterate that I don't personally have a problem with this, but I've always wondered how it is that they not only get away with it, but are revered and maybe even revered for it?

Slew & Goo ...

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Some nut just wrote a longgg piece about being offended by "Under My Thumb" in a Trader Joe's. (She is a professor at NYU, so...)

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Some nut just wrote a longgg piece about being offended by "Under My Thumb" in a Trader Joe's. (She is a professor at NYU, so...)

Didn't "Under My Thumb" and "Stupid Girl" start the whole 'offensive lyric' thing?

The rather obvious misogynistic tone to those tunes got the ball rolling I think.

Hardly surprising someone would be offended, but to be offended now, almost 50 years later seems a bit of a 'delayed reaction'.

Yeah, almost 50 years. Pleeze

Under my thumb isn't fair to cats. Or dogs.



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