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Anti-Taylorite was a slip but it's fitting. Mathijs clearly is not anti Taylor just the fuss made over him. There is no doubt Taylor upped the guitar game and made Keith a better blues player. WH is just one example of Taylor's great rhythm skills. I am surprised there is any question regarding Mick's right hand and skills as an all around player but we are comparing the world's elite and should not forget the league these guys are in.Quote
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Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
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DoomandGloom
Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
Come on Dandie, don't try to seem ignorant. Our dear friend Matthijs is the contrary of a Taylorite, in fact he's the informal leader of the anti-Taylor lobby here.
As for you yourself, I think you're at least ambiguous on this matter.
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DoomandGloomAnti-Taylorite was a slip but it's fitting. Mathijs clearly is not anti Taylor just the fuss made over him. There is no doubt Taylor upped the guitar game and made Keith a better blues player. WH is just one example of Taylor's great rhythm skills. I am surprised there is any question regarding Mick's right hand and skills as an all around player but we are comparing the world's elite and should not forget the league these guys are in.Quote
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Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
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DoomandGloom
Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
Come on Dandie, don't try to seem ignorant. Our dear friend Matthijs is the contrary of a Taylorite, in fact he's the informal leader of the anti-Taylor lobby here.
As for you yourself, I think you're at least ambiguous on this matter.
Like I said, kleerie, we've been discussing the Stones here since 1996/97. Since then, very few have posted more praisal for Taylor here than Mathijs.
But we all grow up (at least some of us), and there comes a time when guitar solos or lead playing isn't necessarily the barometer for how great a song is - even for guitar players
Despite our age difference, I'm pretty certain I've heard tons more Taylor than you have. That comes with my part-time profession, and inspiration for what I do. People think I'm nuts, listening to this "mediocre" band, but that's what I love - and have learned so much from.
If IORR hadn't crashed in 2005, I'm pretty sure many would have had a different view of both myself and Mathijs when it comes to Taylor.
We all love Mick Taylor on this board, there simply isn't a "Anti-Taylor-movement" around.
But when people whine about a release, because a lead guitar isn't loud enough in a few places, important differences in the concept of music and perception arise. That should be debatable.
And we are allowed sometimes, to take a moment and ask ourselves if we're on thin ice on certain subjects - I know I certainly should - how about you?
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Mick T was never a big rhythm guitar player, but he sure did have his moments, especially early in his Stones time.
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One windmill in a band is enough.
As for Kleers initial question I would say: Mention 3 solos I don't like.
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I'm with Mathijs.
Gimme Shelter, London, September 9, 1973
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Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
Come on Dandie, don't try to seem ignorant. Our dear friend Matthijs is the contrary of a Taylorite, in fact he's the informal leader of the anti-Taylor lobby here.
As for you yourself, I think you're at least ambiguous on this matter.
Like I said, kleerie, we've been discussing the Stones here since 1996/97. Since then, very few have posted more praisal for Taylor here than Mathijs.
But we all grow up (at least some of us), and there comes a time when guitar solos or lead playing isn't necessarily the barometer for how great a song is - even for guitar players
Despite our age difference, I'm pretty certain I've heard tons more Taylor than you have. That comes with my part-time profession, and inspiration for what I do. People think I'm nuts, listening to this "mediocre" band, but that's what I love - and have learned so much from.
If IORR hadn't crashed in 2005, I'm pretty sure many would have had a different view of both myself and Mathijs when it comes to Taylor.
We all love Mick Taylor on this board, there simply isn't a "Anti-Taylor-movement" around.
But when people whine about a release, because a lead guitar isn't loud enough in a few places, important differences in the concept of music and perception arise. That should be debatable.
And we are allowed sometimes, to take a moment and ask ourselves if we're on thin ice on certain subjects - I know I certainly should - how about you?
First of all we should avoid the qualification 'whiner', because that kills any discussion. For the rest anything is debatable. But regardless of quantity (of having listened certain music), it's obvious that personal preferences and taste are of great importance. But they shouldn't be mixed up with facts.
As for being on thin ice, that's a rather obscure expression - what do you mean by it?
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Richard from Canada
I'm with Mathijs.
Gimme Shelter, London, September 9, 1973
Is this the version on the "unofficial" Brussels Affair boot?
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Mathijs you are one consistent anti-Taylorite....
Er, he? Wot? I name three tracks that really blow my socks off, and than I am a anti-Taylorite?
He's done a ton of fantastic things (TD and Angie solo from Brussels, Heartbreaker from London, Sympathy from Ya Ya's, Love in Vain and YCAGWYW in 1972), but these three really spring in mind first of mind-boggling solo's he's done. These are carreer defining in my opinion.
And no, I don't think he made Keith a better player (Ronnie did that, from 1975 to 1982 on), and no I don't think Taylor was a good rhythm guitar player, and yes I do think his role in the Stones is very much overrated. But that all doesn't take anything away from these three stand-out moments.
Mathijs
"Anti-Taylorite" or "Anti-Taylor"?
DoomAndGloom probably hasn't been around here long enough to catch the hundreds of positive posts about Taylor you've shared with us...
Come on Dandie, don't try to seem ignorant. Our dear friend Matthijs is the contrary of a Taylorite, in fact he's the informal leader of the anti-Taylor lobby here.
As for you yourself, I think you're at least ambiguous on this matter.
Like I said, kleerie, we've been discussing the Stones here since 1996/97. Since then, very few have posted more praisal for Taylor here than Mathijs.
But we all grow up (at least some of us), and there comes a time when guitar solos or lead playing isn't necessarily the barometer for how great a song is - even for guitar players
Despite our age difference, I'm pretty certain I've heard tons more Taylor than you have. That comes with my part-time profession, and inspiration for what I do. People think I'm nuts, listening to this "mediocre" band, but that's what I love - and have learned so much from.
If IORR hadn't crashed in 2005, I'm pretty sure many would have had a different view of both myself and Mathijs when it comes to Taylor.
We all love Mick Taylor on this board, there simply isn't a "Anti-Taylor-movement" around.
But when people whine about a release, because a lead guitar isn't loud enough in a few places, important differences in the concept of music and perception arise. That should be debatable.
And we are allowed sometimes, to take a moment and ask ourselves if we're on thin ice on certain subjects - I know I certainly should - how about you?
First of all we should avoid the qualification 'whiner', because that kills any discussion. For the rest anything is debatable. But regardless of quantity (of having listened certain music), it's obvious that personal preferences and taste are of great importance. But they shouldn't be mixed up with facts.
As for being on thin ice, that's a rather obscure expression - what do you mean by it?
Good! Then we agree. What's wrong with a little whining, btw? You have been constantly complaining about a release lots of other posters treasure, keep that in mind
Being on thin ice means being on unsafe ground. In this case, it has to do with being dead sure about something one might not have the total knowledge of...
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He he, kleerie That's exactly what I'm talking about..
My point was that if other people love something, repeated, hard criticism of it may come across as whining.
No one's disqualified from anything, I don't see the logic in that?
Good to see that your mixing/mastering education paid off
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Surprised nobody has included this........
Taylor showing the world he is still Mick Taylor, during the fantastic 12 minute performance of Midnight Rambler in Shanghai earlier this year.
The screeching by a member of the audience at 6:40 sums the performance up completely
The Stones absolutely on fire!
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i find the stones and mick taylor fairly indulgent in their live performances in the 70s, i can't listen to them.
i am a big mick taylor fan though. my favourites are i) stray cat blues on ya yas b) sympathy for the devil on ya yas and iii) no expectations with the rhythm kings.
all of those are amazin' and keef can only watch in awe
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Richard from Canada
I'm with Mathijs.
Gimme Shelter, London, September 9, 1973
Is this the version on the "unofficial" Brussels Affair boot?
It's on the bootleg called Brussels Affair-Definitive Edition.
And here you have it:
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i find the stones and mick taylor fairly indulgent in their live performances in the 70s, i can't listen to them.
i am a big mick taylor fan though. my favourites are i) stray cat blues on ya yas b) sympathy for the devil on ya yas and iii) no expectations with the rhythm kings.
all of those are amazin' and keef can only watch in awe
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MarkSchneider
Keith played fantastic, as always. With MT, he definitely met (and is still meeting) his perfect musical match.
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DandelionPowderman
Lucky Keith who found utmost match!
Mick Taylor (guitar) - true - for a while
Mick Jagger (song writing) - for a while, Mick was the lucky one
Brian Jones (arrangement) - For a while, a brilliant guitar partner
Charlie Watts (rythm) - true
Ron Wood (mate) - for a while, his best guitar PARTNER
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DandelionPowderman
Lucky Keith who found utmost match!
Mick Taylor (guitar) - true - for a while
Mick Jagger (song writing) - for a while, Mick was the lucky one
Brian Jones (arrangement) - For a while, a brilliant guitar partner
Charlie Watts (rythm) - true
Ron Wood (mate) - for a while, his best guitar PARTNER
Are we talking about talent/skill here, or personal taste?
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DandelionPowderman
Lucky Keith who found utmost match!
Mick Taylor (guitar) - true - for a while
Mick Jagger (song writing) - for a while, Mick was the lucky one
Brian Jones (arrangement) - For a while, a brilliant guitar partner
Charlie Watts (rythm) - true
Ron Wood (mate) - for a while, his best guitar PARTNER
Are we talking about talent/skill here, or personal taste?