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It is absolutely ridiculous that some people demand that someone should not work. I don't understand why people here get so angry about the fact that somebody sells something that others clearly want to buy. CB is long past his prime, that is clear, but the logic of the argument that he must quit and stay at home because some people here don't find his performance worth it is twisted.

Based on the same logic I demand that all people without whose work the society could live and whose work is really not worth the money they are getting for it stay voluntarily at home and stop recieving their sallary. My estimate is that about 80% of people in US and Europe would be unemployed then. I wonder how many of those people here that demand CB's retirement should quit their jobs based on this logic they so passionately express here.

Plus what CB does is based on market, he takes care of himself. He doesn't get state salary for doing absolutely redundant or often even counterproductive job as millions of state employees do. I find that much more disturbing than the fact that some musician sells tickets to his shows that don't live up to the standard he set 60 years ago.

He can work with whatever he wants, but he should not be on a stage anymore because he can't play and he is making a fool of himself, people are laughing at the old man and that is not funny. Not everyone knows what CB has done in the past and will remember him as a clown who can't play.

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It's clear that a number of people here don't like or respect Chuck Berry or "old people."

This thread is a drag.

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Happy24
It is absolutely ridiculous that some people demand that someone should not work. I don't understand why people here get so angry about the fact that somebody sells something that others clearly want to buy. CB is long past his prime, that is clear, but the logic of the argument that he must quit and stay at home because some people here don't find his performance worth it is twisted.

Based on the same logic I demand that all people without whose work the society could live and whose work is really not worth the money they are getting for it stay voluntarily at home and stop recieving their sallary. My estimate is that about 80% of people in US and Europe would be unemployed then. I wonder how many of those people here that demand CB's retirement should quit their jobs based on this logic they so passionately express here.

Plus what CB does is based on market, he takes care of himself. He doesn't get state salary for doing absolutely redundant or often even counterproductive job as millions of state employees do. I find that much more disturbing than the fact that some musician sells tickets to his shows that don't live up to the standard he set 60 years ago.

He can work with whatever he wants, but he should not be on a stage anymore because he can't play and he is making a fool of himself, people are laughing at the old man and that is not funny. Not everyone knows what CB has done in the past and will remember him as a clown who can't play.

Point to anyone who is laughing at him. Your grasping as straws to fill out your pathetic and incredibly disrespectful argument.

Incredibly disrespectful?

It's people like you who can't handle the truth.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the ability isn't diminished. How we choose to discuss it varies incredibly.

You've taken it upon yourself to describe him as "a clown you can't play". That I think is incredibly disrespectful.

Is that how you describe Keith's diminishing ability as well, or are you more selective in your criticism?

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If you buy a ticket to a concert then it is your responsibility to understand what sort of show that is. By reading reviews, being a fan or by talking to friends. Never in my life I have purchased a ticket BLIND i.e. to a band or an artist I know nothing about.

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It is possible to be ignorant and stupid in this world. If you are afraid of doing a bad investment then stay at home and watch free television, or take a walk. Life is full of surprises.

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He really should stop

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Happy24
It is absolutely ridiculous that some people demand that someone should not work. I don't understand why people here get so angry about the fact that somebody sells something that others clearly want to buy. CB is long past his prime, that is clear, but the logic of the argument that he must quit and stay at home because some people here don't find his performance worth it is twisted.

Based on the same logic I demand that all people without whose work the society could live and whose work is really not worth the money they are getting for it stay voluntarily at home and stop recieving their sallary. My estimate is that about 80% of people in US and Europe would be unemployed then. I wonder how many of those people here that demand CB's retirement should quit their jobs based on this logic they so passionately express here.

Plus what CB does is based on market, he takes care of himself. He doesn't get state salary for doing absolutely redundant or often even counterproductive job as millions of state employees do. I find that much more disturbing than the fact that some musician sells tickets to his shows that don't live up to the standard he set 60 years ago.

He can work with whatever he wants, but he should not be on a stage anymore because he can't play and he is making a fool of himself, people are laughing at the old man and that is not funny. Not everyone knows what CB has done in the past and will remember him as a clown who can't play.

Point to anyone who is laughing at him. Your grasping as straws to fill out your pathetic and incredibly disrespectful argument.

Incredibly disrespectful?

It's people like you who can't handle the truth.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the ability isn't diminished. How we choose to discuss it varies incredibly.

You've taken it upon yourself to describe him as "a clown you can't play". That I think is incredibly disrespectful.

Is that how you describe Keith's diminishing ability as well, or are you more selective in your criticism?

Compared to CB Keith is a master player these days, it says a lot about your music ears and knowledge when you compare Keiths guitar skills these days with CB. It´s two different worlds and if you don´t hear or understand that you must be totally untalented regarding guitar based music.

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Regardless of his playing ability, it would be good to get an insider's account of his *reported* meltdown shortly after his arrival in Denmark, including:

- entering a gas station, kicking everyone out, preventing people from getting in, and calling the cops;
- storming out of the car and walking 5-6 km along a busy road before he's bundled back in again;
- refusing his hotel room, and falling asleep in the lobby.

It's too easy to write this off to "classic Chuck behaviour."

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Regardless of his playing ability, it would be good to get an insider's account of his *reported* meltdown shortly after his arrival in Denmark, including:

- entering a gas station, kicking everyone out, preventing people from getting in, and calling the cops;
- storming out of the car and walking 5-6 km along a busy road before he's bundled back in again;
- refusing his hotel room, and falling asleep in the lobby.

It's too easy to write this off to "classic Chuck behaviour."

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Have you seen the deluxe version of Hail! Hail! Rock and Roll, the features on the bonus disc where the filmmaker and crew describe their accounts of CB's eccentric behavior? What you outline in your bullet points don't sound so outrageous, compared to the off-screen Hail! Hail! moments as told by the film crew. What you describe as a "meltdown" is just CB being CB, and shows that evidently he is just the same as he always was. In life, genius and eccentricity are companion travelers. Besides, who cares if he falls asleep in a hotel lobby or goes for a walk in traffic? Will this affect how your next listening experience of Maybellene plays out?

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He really should stop

Should The Stones stop? Should McCartney? How about The Who? I can tell you that for some people when they stop doing what they love its a death sentence. We are all of us in uncharted territory with Rock and Roll. This is the first generation of rockers to get to be elderly, let alone pensioners. Chuck, L Richard, JL Lewis, B.B.King... no one will stop until they are quite dead. Bo Diddley, Carl Perkins or even Elvis, not one of them stopped until they were stone dead.
People try to stop. Christine McVie, Bill Wyman, John Lennon, Brian May, Mose Allison, PJ Proby, Phil Collins and they all come crawling back. It's the nature of the beast. Now, Eric Clapton is going to 'retire from touring' next year. I wish him good luck.
Year after year from now until the end expect more of the same.

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Grace Slick is one who has retired successfully from the rock and roll circus.
Evidently she is now somewhat of an accomplished/successful visual artist, but based on the quotes below I think she may have a couple of screws loose.

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I can tell you that for some people when they stop doing what they love its a death sentence. We are all of us in uncharted territory with Rock and Roll. This is the first generation of rockers to get to be elderly, let alone pensioners.

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Grace Slick is one who has retired successfully from the rock and roll circus.
Evidently she is now somewhat of an accomplished/successful visual artist, but based on the quotes below I think she may have a couple of screws loose.

She's a live wire for sure, and has some other quotes that suggest a loose screw. But these quotes make sense, at least for her. If you're that emotionally disconnected from songs you have to sing, and you therefore don't want to sing them, then don't, if only for your peace of mind. If I were in her place and could still belt out great songs that have stood the test of time, I would belt them out. But I like and respect her take on it.

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Apologies for posting this here, but someone in this thread said pages ago that Glen Campbell shouldn't be touring anymore either. I saw Campbell on his last tour, he looked healthy and he still sang and played really well. It was a wonderful concert and it was sweet to see his children on stage with him. They were clearly looking out for him and guiding him when he made a few missteps. He looked healthy and happy and it was inspiring to see him doing what he loved even if he needed a little help. Maybe I just got to see him on a particularly good night, but I'm so glad I did get to see him before it was too late. Something to keep in mind about Chuck Berry touring.

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Apologies for posting this here, but someone in this thread said pages ago that Glen Campbell shouldn't be touring anymore either. I saw Campbell on his last tour, he looked healthy and he still sang and played really well. It was a wonderful concert and it was sweet to see his children on stage with him. They were clearly looking out for him and guiding him when he made a few missteps. He looked healthy and happy and it was inspiring to see him doing what he loved even if he needed a little help. Maybe I just got to see him on a particularly good night, but I'm so glad I did get to see him before it was too late. Something to keep in mind about Chuck Berry touring.

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Yes, because he can't play anymore.

Yes but it's already too late to hear and see Mr Berry play the songs we all know.

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He really should stop

Should The Stones stop? Should McCartney? How about The Who? I can tell you that for some people when they stop doing what they love its a death sentence. We are all of us in uncharted territory with Rock and Roll. This is the first generation of rockers to get to be elderly, let alone pensioners. Chuck, L Richard, JL Lewis, B.B.King... no one will stop until they are quite dead. Bo Diddley, Carl Perkins or even Elvis, not one of them stopped until they were stone dead.
People try to stop. Christine McVie, Bill Wyman, John Lennon, Brian May, Mose Allison, PJ Proby, Phil Collins and they all come crawling back. It's the nature of the beast. Now, Eric Clapton is going to 'retire from touring' next year. I wish him good luck.
Year after year from now until the end expect more of the same.

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He really should stop

Should The Stones stop? Should McCartney? How about The Who? I can tell you that for some people when they stop doing what they love its a death sentence. We are all of us in uncharted territory with Rock and Roll. This is the first generation of rockers to get to be elderly, let alone pensioners. Chuck, L Richard, JL Lewis, B.B.King... no one will stop until they are quite dead. Bo Diddley, Carl Perkins or even Elvis, not one of them stopped until they were stone dead.
People try to stop. Christine McVie, Bill Wyman, John Lennon, Brian May, Mose Allison, PJ Proby, Phil Collins and they all come crawling back. It's the nature of the beast. Now, Eric Clapton is going to 'retire from touring' next year. I wish him good luck.
Year after year from now until the end expect more of the same.

Grace Slick is one who has retired successfully from the rock and roll circus.
Evidently she is now somewhat of an accomplished/successful visual artist, but based on the quotes below I think she may have a couple of screws loose.

A couple of quotes attributed to her:

"all rock-and-rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire"
-GS, 1998

"you can do jazz, classical, blues, opera, country until you're 150, but rap and rock and roll are really a way for young people to get that anger out"
-GS, 2007

and:

"it's silly to perform a song that has no relevance to the present or expresses feelings you no longer have".
-GS, 2007

"We built this city on rock and roll..................."

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People have been complaining about Keef's playing for years now and justifiably so as he was hit or miss during ABB and the recent U.S. tour based on the shows I have seen the bootlegs I have listened to but IMHO it does not detract from his legacy.

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On Parker: "The long improvisatory flights for which he's famed were shorter now, but still potent."

Exactly.

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