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I agree with Björnulf among others, it is CHUCK BERRY!!!!
He can do what he wants, he IS Rock N Roll. I saw him twice in 2007 and he was great and if some people Think they gonna get a performer who act and sounds like a 25-year old when he is 87, then they are proper w****rs.
I pray for Mr Berry to perform on stage 'til the day he does not want to do it anymore.
Let the man be and just enjoy the Beautiful World he and other fantastic people have provided for us.
Yes, we have understood your point. He is Chuck Berry and he can do what he wants. But that is still not the point. The point is that the artistry is not acceptable to a lot of people.
Then those people shouldn't go to his concert. THAT is the point.
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I think the great Chuck Berry still has the spirit…but those close to him have to let him know a time has come.
Exactly. He needs to stop. His legacy is being impacted.
Well, when someone behaves so offensive for more then 50 years it has an impact on the memories I have regarding his songs. There is hardly anything nice about the man. It's not just bad performing for 35 years or so...there's the child-abuse charges (convicted; he served 1 1/2 years in prison) and after that when he had his restaurant he was sued by several women who claimed that he had installed a video camera in the ladies' bathroom. When the police did a raid on his house they did find videotapes of women using the restroom (one of the women was a minor). It was never proven in court and Chuck opted for a class action settlement with 59 women...
And what happened with Johnnie Johnson? It was Johnnie's band to begin with! He owed everything to Johnnie and he really liked playing and writing with Johnnie...yet every song was a Berry song.
Johnnie co-wrote some 50 songs with Chuck but never got credits so Johnnie finally sued Chuck in 2000. But the case was dismissed when the judge ruled that too much time had passed since the songs were written...
Chuck never said sorry for anything.
I like those 25 songs or so that made history.
But I can hardly listen to them anymore.
Because to me Chuck really isn't great at all.
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Well, when someone behaves so offensive for more then 50 years it has an impact on the memories I have regarding his songs. There is hardly anything nice about the man. It's not just bad performing for 35 years or so...there's the child-abuse charges (convicted; he served 1 1/2 years in prison) and after that when he had his restaurant he was sued by several women who claimed that he had installed a video camera in the ladies' bathroom. When the police did a raid on his house they did find videotapes of women using the restroom (one of the women was a minor). It was never proven in court and Chuck opted for a class action settlement with 59 women...
And what happened with Johnnie Johnson? It was Johnnie's band to begin with! He owed everything to Johnnie and he really liked playing and writing with Johnnie...yet every song was a Berry song.
Johnnie co-wrote some 50 songs with Chuck but never got credits so Johnnie finally sued Chuck in 2000. But the case was dismissed when the judge ruled that too much time had passed since the songs were written...
Chuck never said sorry for anything.
I like those 25 songs or so that made history.
But I can hardly listen to them anymore.
Because to me Chuck really isn't great at all.
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Well, when someone behaves so offensive for more then 50 years it has an impact on the memories I have regarding his songs. There is hardly anything nice about the man. It's not just bad performing for 35 years or so...there's the child-abuse charges (convicted; he served 1 1/2 years in prison) and after that when he had his restaurant he was sued by several women who claimed that he had installed a video camera in the ladies' bathroom. When the police did a raid on his house they did find videotapes of women using the restroom (one of the women was a minor). It was never proven in court and Chuck opted for a class action settlement with 59 women...
And what happened with Johnnie Johnson? It was Johnnie's band to begin with! He owed everything to Johnnie and he really liked playing and writing with Johnnie...yet every song was a Berry song.
Johnnie co-wrote some 50 songs with Chuck but never got credits so Johnnie finally sued Chuck in 2000. But the case was dismissed when the judge ruled that too much time had passed since the songs were written...
Chuck never said sorry for anything.
I like those 25 songs or so that made history.
But I can hardly listen to them anymore.
Because to me Chuck really isn't great at all.
You have to get over this. Every artist - every human - is deeply flawed. Even Mother Teresa was a piece of work, according to Chris Hitchens. And Chuck was never a hypocrite about it. BTW, don't believe everything you cut and paste from Wikipedia.
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he can do what he pleases. And you can part with your money or not. There is something heroic about riding the horse till it throws you. I don't think it diminishes his legacy.
He's always done what he pleases, nothing you or I might ever have said or might yet have to say would ever have had or would ever now alter that ........ so what's your point ?
And I will certainly no longer part with my money to see him nowadays, he has done great to stay playing until now. But I have to disagree with you about the legacy, because in part someone's legacy is what YOU remember of them. I don't wish to remember him as the sad shadow of his once glorious rock n' rollin' self that unfortunately he has become today. What's down on vinyl is one thing, you cannot argue the magnificence of that, but he really ought to bow out of live performances now. It is becoming a little embarrassing.
Needless to say you'll disagree. Whatever ........... ?
Very much embarrassing i would say, it´s total madness. He can´t play a chord right anymore.
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At some point I decided to move on: plenty of new music to discover played by so much nicer people.
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At some point I decided to move on: plenty of new music to discover played by so much nicer people.
How do you know, though? It's amazing the skeletons people in the public eye manage to keep hidden. Chuck's are probably no worse than many if not most.
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he can do what he pleases. And you can part with your money or not. There is something heroic about riding the horse till it throws you. I don't think it diminishes his legacy.
He's always done what he pleases, nothing you or I might ever have said or might yet have to say would ever have had or would ever now alter that ........ so what's your point ?
And I will certainly no longer part with my money to see him nowadays, he has done great to stay playing until now. But I have to disagree with you about the legacy, because in part someone's legacy is what YOU remember of them. I don't wish to remember him as the sad shadow of his once glorious rock n' rollin' self that unfortunately he has become today. What's down on vinyl is one thing, you cannot argue the magnificence of that, but he really ought to bow out of live performances now. It is becoming a little embarrassing.
Needless to say you'll disagree. Whatever ........... ?
Very much embarrassing i would say, it´s total madness. He can´t play a chord right anymore.
He actually start the same wrong song several times while the bandmembers correct him and that happens often during one concert...so it might would be a good idea to just stop.
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I think the great Chuck Berry still has the spirit…but those close to him have to let him know a time has come.
Exactly. He needs to stop. His legacy is being impacted.
Well, when someone behaves so offensive for more then 50 years it has an impact on the memories I have regarding his songs. There is hardly anything nice about the man. It's not just bad performing for 35 years or so...there's the child-abuse charges (convicted; he served 1 1/2 years in prison) and after that when he had his restaurant he was sued by several women who claimed that he had installed a video camera in the ladies' bathroom. When the police did a raid on his house they did find videotapes of women using the restroom (one of the women was a minor). It was never proven in court and Chuck opted for a class action settlement with 59 women...
And what happened with Johnnie Johnson? It was Johnnie's band to begin with! He owed everything to Johnnie and he really liked playing and writing with Johnnie...yet every song was a Berry song.
Johnnie co-wrote some 50 songs with Chuck but never got credits so Johnnie finally sued Chuck in 2000. But the case was dismissed when the judge ruled that too much time had passed since the songs were written...
Chuck never said sorry for anything.
I like those 25 songs or so that made history.
But I can hardly listen to them anymore.
Because to me Chuck really isn't great at all.
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I'm quite surprised by the defenders of Chuck's people continuing to promote this man who is no longer capable of performing. I've dealt with dementia from my closest family members and there is a point where the proper thing is to make choices for their well being. These are painful decisions and often those closest can not fully see the decline as it is gradual at the start. I am certain fans at these shows are enjoying the spectacle of this once great performer, seeing him as a circus act, a laughing stock; the forever angry guitar pioneer now reduced to a lawn jockey with a 355 around his neck.. Those of you that dare to be offended by my statement should look first at what's happening here to Mr. Berry on this very day where in America civil rights are being celebrated, Imagine Mick singing "Tumblin Dice" to "Route 66", no one here would call that Mick's choice, Keith, Charlie, Ron would pull the plug because there is love in this organization, Chuck is too ill to play, perhaps his condition is somewhat reversible, his people should be following that course and we as witnesses have every right to demand he's treated justly and not be exploited and abused, Chuck as any man is entitled to dignity and respect, we should all be battling for this for him not as BV implies for his right to be a fool for yuppies. I can promise you this, I will send a video clip to social services in whatever county Berry lives in because I suspect what's happening to this man is way uglier below the surface
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I'm quite surprised by the defenders of Chuck's people continuing to promote this man who is no longer capable of performing. I've dealt with dementia from my closest family members and there is a point where the proper thing is to make choices for their well being. These are painful decisions and often those closest can not fully see the decline as it is gradual at the start. I am certain fans at these shows are enjoying the spectacle of this once great performer, seeing him as a circus act, a laughing stock; the forever angry guitar pioneer now reduced to a lawn jockey with a 355 around his neck.. Those of you that dare to be offended by my statement should look first at what's happening here to Mr. Berry on this very day where in America civil rights are being celebrated, Imagine Mick singing "Tumblin Dice" to "Route 66", no one here would call that Mick's choice, Keith, Charlie, Ron would pull the plug because there is love in this organization, Chuck is too ill to play, perhaps his condition is somewhat reversible, his people should be following that course and we as witnesses have every right to demand he's treated justly and not be exploited and abused, Chuck as any man is entitled to dignity and respect, we should all be battling for this for him not as BV implies for his right to be a fool for yuppies. I can promise you this, I will send a video clip to social services in whatever county Berry lives in because I suspect what's happening to this man is way uglier below the surface
I'm not surprised at all so many are defending this madness here, they are simply not talented enough to hear how bad CB is playing. They think it sounds good because it's CB playing and it's pathetic when everyone with a little music ears can hear how bad it is.
I would feel very sad (and pissed off) if Chuck's handlers were taking advantage of and/or exploited him in this way.
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Bathroom cams For real?
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I'm not surprised at all so many are defending this madness here, they are simply not talented enough to hear how bad CB is playing. They think it sounds good because it's CB playing and it's pathetic when everyone with a little music ears can hear how bad it is.
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I'm not surprised at all so many are defending this madness here, they are simply not talented enough to hear how bad CB is playing. They think it sounds good because it's CB playing and it's pathetic when everyone with a little music ears can hear how bad it is.
This is a message board on which a large number of posters regularly insist that Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood are currently in the form of their lives.
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mtaylor
Wasn't it the same with BB King recently - people left the consert.
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mtaylor
Wasn't it the same with BB King recently - people left the consert.
They should have the notion when to play and when to stop.
In regards to Stones, I guess Mick known when to stop - thank godness.
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Wasn't it the same with BB King recently - people left the consert.
No, a tabloid wrote that people left the concert. That doesn't really mean it happened. There is a separate thread about it with a link to that absolutely ridiculous article plus an audience video showing that in fact there was nothing really wrong with the performance.
This is the problem - somebody writes an idiotic article and gives it an even more idiotic title. People then only read the title and take it for a fact. And spread it. If it was up to me, I would prohibit this kind of "journalism" by a law. Can't think of one single positive reason why this should exist.
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At some point I decided to move on: plenty of new music to discover played by so much nicer people.
How do you know, though? It's amazing the skeletons people in the public eye manage to keep hidden. Chuck's are probably no worse than many if not most.
By not looking at the same skeletons for too long.
Because if you do you indeed start to believe Chuck's are no worse than others and that he could not influence anything because everything just happened to him...
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Wasn't it the same with BB King recently - people left the consert.
They should have the notion when to play and when to stop.
In regards to Stones, I guess Mick known when to stop - thank godness.