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They all play pretty great on this, it all just works. The music seems at odds with the gossip and memories about the concert.
I take it this wasn't also recorded on multitrack? This would have made for a top bootleg series release, stereo mix and with lowered sax of course.
Heavens, we do agree again. That mustn't become a habit.
This is new to me.
Hear Jagger say: thank you, Mick Taylor (or: Mick Taylor, thank you) after Black Limousine. Forget about the setlist sources.
Yes he did, but that doesn't mean that the band did also progress along the process...
- Doxa
Sure. But after 10 or more listens to other 81 shows it won't be that musically interesting anymore - as there are way better shows out there.
The "gathering" is interesting, of course.
And the slowest as well... you have very selected ears...
- Doxa
Or the songs.
10 or more listens!? Phew, you're expecting too much from me.
The leading anti-Taylorite here, no Taylor-related thread without a nasty remark... But the most happiest Rolling Stones fan since 1974 since no need to suffer of that guitar pullotion... unless that is given in a nice Vegas offering a'la external guitar solos, without anything to disturbing with the 'real thing'...
- Doxa
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-12-30 03:23 by DoomandGloom.
Hey, that's before circa May 30th - June 8th 1969.
"sorry this film is not available in your country"...
- Doxa
Thanks, but unfortunately the same problem...
- Doxa
1) I don't know why you feel like that? Overdubs and edits are as old as the first
multitrack recorders. In the case of PMS there's a timespan of 4 decades between it, odd, but so what? It's the result that counts. I think Jagger did a good 'Frankenstein job'.
2) Right, I think they are too old to deliver the energy and quality that they had during exile era. I would require a lot of edits and overdubs to get a decent result. Even a guitar maniac like John McLaughlin is not the creative and fast player he used to be. I think you get my point.
3) Time is money indeed. Besides, they have nothing to prove anymore.
It's obviously not overdubs and edits in themselves, it's overdubs and edits to tracks done 40 years ago to help shift a re re re re re re release of an album. They have changed greatly since then, especially their singing/playing.
The weirdness of it all comes through in the sound and music.
Some fake tits looks great, but I assume feel weird.
Oops, you "forgot" the rest of my post, where I complimented Taylor.
Childish.
I'm not that interested in the commercial ideas behind it.
We are repeating ourselves, HM. It's the fact that there's a timespan of 40 years between it that is bothering you, gives it a creepy feeling. They changed greatly like you say it, Taylor would have played different in the early 7-tees, and that goes for Jagger as well. Still the recent overdubs are no fake tits to me. Those tits are Mick Taylor and Jagger AD 2009 finishing a 40 years old track.. I like that experiment and I respect it.
Think different, or just ignore. I know it's not always easy.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:05
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DandelionPowderman
It's Taylor. No doubt. Very impro, and not really suitable here, imo.
He does some cool things on BL and Imagination, though.
They all play pretty great on this, it all just works. The music seems at odds with the gossip and memories about the concert.
I take it this wasn't also recorded on multitrack? This would have made for a top bootleg series release, stereo mix and with lowered sax of course.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:08
BOB is not "great". But it's a good show indeed.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:08
Interesting then, interesting is great.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:10
It was interesting 10 years ago when I got the bootleg. Today: Nah...
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:15
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DandelionPowderman
It's Taylor. No doubt. Very impro, and not really suitable here, imo.
He does some cool things on BL and Imagination, though.
They all play pretty great on this, it all just works. The music seems at odds with the gossip and memories about the concert.
I take it this wasn't also recorded on multitrack? This would have made for a top bootleg series release, stereo mix and with lowered sax of course.
Heavens, we do agree again. That mustn't become a habit.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:16
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DandelionPowderman
It was interesting 10 years ago when I got the bootleg. Today: Nah...
This is new to me.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:18
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stonehearted
According to set list sources, MT comes in at song 10 (Let me Go) and remains for the rest of the set (total of 16 songs).
Hear Jagger say: thank you, Mick Taylor (or: Mick Taylor, thank you) after Black Limousine. Forget about the setlist sources.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:22
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It was interesting 10 years ago when I got the bootleg. Today: Nah...
This is new to me.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:27
Let Me Go is wrong.
We got it confirmed in this thread that he joined in on Whip. Sounds likely to me, and I have listened a lot to this show
We got it confirmed in this thread that he joined in on Whip. Sounds likely to me, and I have listened a lot to this show
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:35
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Keith is particularly ace on guitar during this time, he has definitely continued to develop as a player way past the "golden era", not a fan of some of the tones though.
It's nice to hear you saying that - finally
Huh, i've said similar many times.
Keith advanced technically right up to and including the 90's.
Yes he did, but that doesn't mean that the band did also progress along the process...
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:37
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It was interesting 10 years ago when I got the bootleg. Today: Nah...
This is new to me.
Sure. But after 10 or more listens to other 81 shows it won't be that musically interesting anymore - as there are way better shows out there.
The "gathering" is interesting, of course.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:37
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He missed the slow days with RTJ, JJF, ADTL, BS and MR?
Those songs weren't played "fast and furious" during Taylor's days at all the way they were in 81/82: ragged and rushed. Besides they played all songs that way, so that it seemed as if it was all one and the same 'song'. I heard it myself. Very boring.
Yes, they were, and it's easy to prove as well
They were played fast - except ADTL, BS, and MR - but tasty. Not furious, let alone ragged and rushed.
Except MR? Fastest ever in 73...
And the slowest as well... you have very selected ears...
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:38
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He missed the slow days with RTJ, JJF, ADTL, BS and MR?
Those songs weren't played "fast and furious" during Taylor's days at all the way they were in 81/82: ragged and rushed. Besides they played all songs that way, so that it seemed as if it was all one and the same 'song'. I heard it myself. Very boring.
Yes, they were, and it's easy to prove as well
They were played fast - except ADTL, BS, and MR - but tasty. Not furious, let alone ragged and rushed.
Except MR? Fastest ever in 73...
And the slowest as well... you have very selected ears...
Come on! Don't be stupid...
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
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His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:40
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Doxa
Yes he did, but that doesn't mean that the band did also progress along the process...
- Doxa
Or the songs.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:43
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DandelionPowderman
Sure. But after 10 or more listens to other 81 shows it won't be that musically interesting anymore - as there are way better shows out there.
The "gathering" is interesting, of course.
10 or more listens!? Phew, you're expecting too much from me.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:45
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DandelionPowderman
It's Taylor. No doubt. Very impro, and not really suitable here, imo.
The leading anti-Taylorite here, no Taylor-related thread without a nasty remark... But the most happiest Rolling Stones fan since 1974 since no need to suffer of that guitar pullotion... unless that is given in a nice Vegas offering a'la external guitar solos, without anything to disturbing with the 'real thing'...
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-12-30 02:46 by Doxa.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: December 30, 2013 02:52
I heard stuff in BOB that made it sound it belonged on Sticky Fingers... Taylor is a blues/pop guitar wizard.... Take for example the hooks he added to SFM, his irreverence for The Glimmers makes him a full fledged creative force. Ronnie acting as Keith's caddy shows the pro that he is but Taylor bows to no one and dares to lead and explore... After all he's a "lead guitarist."
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: December 30, 2013 03:05
I guess Taylor is the only guitarist in the history of the Rolling Stones that you can actually throw on the stage without any rehearsal, without actually knowing the songs in particular, and do the thing... Does he 'fit' there with every note or not is not the thing - he will manage it anyhow, and they know it...
- Doxa
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
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Date: December 30, 2013 03:21
At his best Taylor reacts to the moment in a manner that we no longer see in rock. The question, can he still do it? was answered for me when I saw him with Ronnie at The Cutting Room. He is always searching for the sweet spot, rather than simply compliment, he strives to elevate... While he may no longer be over aggressive fact is his spontaneity must be respected.Quote
Doxa
I guess Taylor is the only guitarist in the history of the Rolling Stones that you can actually throw on the stage without any rehearsal, without actually knowing the songs in particular, and do the thing... Does he 'fit' there with every note or not is not the thing - he will manage it anyhow, and they know it...
- Doxa
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Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: December 30, 2013 05:44
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DandelionPowderman
It's Taylor. No doubt. Very impro, and not really suitable here, imo.
The leading anti-Taylorite here, no Taylor-related thread without a nasty remark... But the most happiest Rolling Stones fan since 1974 since no need to suffer of that guitar pullotion... unless that is given in a nice Vegas offering a'la external guitar solos, without anything to disturbing with the 'real thing'...
- Doxa
Hey, that's before circa May 30th - June 8th 1969.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: December 30, 2013 06:29
I finally found the interview footage where MT talks about his appearance in KC and describes the music as "fast and furious" and that the show felt strange for him because the music seemed so different--it's from that unauthorized DVD series Just For The Record (the 80s). Starts at about 14:38 in the following link: [www.snagfilms.com]
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: December 30, 2013 10:38
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stonehearted
I finally found the interview footage where MT talks about his appearance in KC and describes the music as "fast and furious" and that the show felt strange for him because the music seemed so different--it's from that unauthorized DVD series Just For The Record (the 80s). Starts at about 14:38 in the following link: [www.snagfilms.com]
"sorry this film is not available in your country"...
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: December 30, 2013 10:58
Here, Doxa, try this dailymotion link. It used to be on YouTube until recently, but has since been taken down: [www.dailymotion.com]
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: December 30, 2013 11:36
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stonehearted
Here, Doxa, try this dailymotion link. It used to be on YouTube until recently, but has since been taken down: [www.dailymotion.com]
Thanks, but unfortunately the same problem...
- Doxa
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
erad
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Date: December 30, 2013 12:01
Should be able to watch it through a proxy.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
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Date: December 30, 2013 12:13
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His Majesty
Frankenstein goes for the odd ball studio creations featuring ye olde tracks with modern editing and overdubs. Like a 50 year old woman with sprayed on tan, face lift and fake tits.
I wonder what you would say if the initial tracks turned out to be only 5 years old.
No, actually I don't.. Jagger's and Taylor's overdubs are face lift and fake tits to you.
1) Just so you know, I feel the same way about the other overdubbed tracks which had no Taylor involvement.
2) Why not just get together to work on the incomplete songs and record them new with as much of the exile era band as possible? That would require too much effort of course, maybe show them up as not being fit for duty.
3) Cheaper and lazier to go the overdub route.
1) I don't know why you feel like that? Overdubs and edits are as old as the first
multitrack recorders. In the case of PMS there's a timespan of 4 decades between it, odd, but so what? It's the result that counts. I think Jagger did a good 'Frankenstein job'.
2) Right, I think they are too old to deliver the energy and quality that they had during exile era. I would require a lot of edits and overdubs to get a decent result.
Even a guitar maniac like John McLaughlin is not the creative and fast player he used to be. I think you get my point.3) Time is money indeed. Besides, they have nothing to prove anymore.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: December 30, 2013 12:34
Quote
LuxuryStones
1) I don't know why you feel like that? Overdubs and edits are as old as the first
multitrack recorders. In the case of PMS there's a timespan of 4 decades between it, odd, but so what? It's the result that counts. I think Jagger did a good 'Frankenstein job'.
It's obviously not overdubs and edits in themselves, it's overdubs and edits to tracks done 40 years ago to help shift a re re re re re re release of an album. They have changed greatly since then, especially their singing/playing.
The weirdness of it all comes through in the sound and music.
Some fake tits looks great, but I assume feel weird.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 30, 2013 12:55
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DoxaQuote
DandelionPowderman
It's Taylor. No doubt. Very impro, and not really suitable here, imo.
The leading anti-Taylorite here, no Taylor-related thread without a nasty remark... But the most happiest Rolling Stones fan since 1974 since no need to suffer of that guitar pullotion... unless that is given in a nice Vegas offering a'la external guitar solos, without anything to disturbing with the 'real thing'...
- Doxa
Oops, you "forgot" the rest of my post, where I complimented Taylor.
Childish.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
LuxuryStones
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Date: December 30, 2013 13:22
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LuxuryStones
1) I don't know why you feel like that? Overdubs and edits are as old as the first
multitrack recorders. In the case of PMS there's a timespan of 4 decades between it, odd, but so what? It's the result that counts. I think Jagger did a good 'Frankenstein job'.
It's obviously not overdubs and edits in themselves, it's overdubs and edits to tracks done 40 years ago to help shift a re re re re re re release of an album. They have changed greatly since then, especially their singing/playing.
The weirdness of it all comes through in the sound and music.
Some fake tits looks great, but I assume feel weird.
I'm not that interested in the commercial ideas behind it.
We are repeating ourselves, HM. It's the fact that there's a timespan of 40 years between it that is bothering you, gives it a creepy feeling. They changed greatly like you say it, Taylor would have played different in the early 7-tees, and that goes for Jagger as well. Still the recent overdubs are no fake tits to me. Those tits are Mick Taylor and Jagger AD 2009 finishing a 40 years old track.. I like that experiment and I respect it.
Think different, or just ignore. I know it's not always easy.
Re: Mick Taylor in Kansas City MO
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: December 30, 2013 14:39
I only listen to it when it gets discussed to see what's what with regards to something in the convo's.
Ultimately, it's just weird listening.
Ultimately, it's just weird listening.
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