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Yes but his account has changed, about a million years ago I read how this was done by tapping the record and playback heads. This is more in the school of British recording and audio engineering. At least for SFM I believe they used this direct process, JJF was probably done as described.Quote
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The engineers would "tap" the playback head and run the recording cassette and the master machine simultaneously. By monitoring the input or printing a direct signal the musicians could overdub using this trick.
That's possible and it's something i've considered before, but it's not what he's really describing.
The tape recording was played back through a bigger speaker and mic'd up. The recent article gives better clarity about that process. Also he talks in 2002 as if there's only two guitars on Jumpin' Jack Flash, but there's atleast 5 or so.
What sounds electric is still electrics though, there's still an obvious difference. It might be easier to hear if you've played through the Vox and Triumph amps they were using during that time, especially the Triumph Silicon 100.
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Of course, the MXR would be in every guitar players pedal board after SG, no doubt about that
Something similar a couple of years prior to that by MT already
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This is a great article but the subject has been discussed by Keith many times, for instance in this interview:
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Sure, but he's adding in a bit of confusion in that one.
The tape machine take is a live as it happened thing caught on a little tape machine. So the two acoustics he says were done using that method must have involved another guitar player playing at the same time as Keith. It was probably Brian as Bill's books credit him with playing on Jumpin' Jack Flash.
That tape machine recording is then played back through a larger speaker and recorded on to professional multi-track. This acts as a distinctive sounding basic rhythm track.
They then over dub on to the remaining tracks via the usual methods.
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What sounds like electric guitars on JJF is electric guitars, the acoustic tape machine take is the compressed grungey sounding stuff which mostly plays underneath all of the electrics.
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Bill is also crediting himself on JJF...
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Bill is also crediting himself on JJF...
Yes, on organ.
I doubt it's the hammond though, but might be what is possibly a harmonium heard towards the end of the track.
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On bass as well?
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Ok. Sounds like a harmonium and not a hammond organ.
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Of course, the MXR would be in every guitar players pedal board after SG, no doubt about that
Something similar a couple of years prior to that by MT already
Absolutely, but not noticed by the masses.
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"Frankly" if you think Keith has sucked for forty years why are you here?
Because I didn't say he "sucked", nor do I think he sucked. I do think he stopped innovating. (I also didn't say 40 years). There's a difference.
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"Frankly" if you think Keith has sucked for forty years why are you here?
Because I didn't say he "sucked", nor do I think he sucked. I do think he stopped innovating. (I also didn't say 40 years). There's a difference.
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In the interest of accuracy, I did say 30 years.
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"Frankly" if you think Keith has sucked for forty years why are you here?
Because I didn't say he "sucked", nor do I think he sucked. I do think he stopped innovating. (I also didn't say 40 years). There's a difference.
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In the interest of accuracy, I did say 30 years.
He he, since Ronnie joined, I meant
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I would say that the Keith Richards who popped up on stage in 89 with the Music Man and the electric nylon string did the last "innovation".
He played things he'd never done before lead-wise, including some spanish-sounding licks (Rock And A Hard Place, PI.
Unfortunately, he was more determined to be a guitar hero than to add to the band's overall sound, seemingly. And I didn't like the sound of the nylon string guitar.
But it was pretty innovative on stuff like Sad Sad Sad, PIB, 2000 LYFH and Almost Hear You Sigh. Even on Can't Be Seen, like it or not...
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It was a crazy idea: An electric guitar with nylon strings.
I thought it worked well on PIB and RT, but not so good on Play With Fire and Angie.
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It was a crazy idea: An electric guitar with nylon strings.
I thought it worked well on PIB and RT, but not so good on Play With Fire and Angie.
Those instruments were fashionable at the time .
Keith was just one of a number who played around with them and went through a bit of an infatuation with the classical guitar [as featured on AHYS.]
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The technology has advanced a lot since then, maybe he should try again, but with a new guitar.
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SFM is the counterpart of Revolution. But it has no political meaning at all. It's pure hooliganism.
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SFM is the counterpart of Revolution. But it has no political meaning at all. It's pure hooliganism.
No it isn't--it's saying that there's revolution going on all over Europe amd he'd like to be in on it, but he lives in London where there's no place for a street fighting man. So he's playing for a rock and roll band as that's his only way of contributing to the struggle.
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Mmm, your interpretation is going too far imo.
There's mention of a 'palace revolution' and shouting about killing the king and railing at his servants, but that's not a real revolution.
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The technology has advanced a lot since then, maybe he should try again, but with a new guitar.
It has and it hasn't.
Pickup systems for acoustic instruments have come a long way but you can keep all that modelling technolgy. It sounds convincing but still doesn't respond very well to touch.
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The technology has advanced a lot since then, maybe he should try again, but with a new guitar.
It has and it hasn't.
Pickup systems for acoustic instruments have come a long way but you can keep all that modelling technolgy. It sounds convincing but still doesn't respond very well to touch.
It was electric.