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JOHN LENNON: "With I AM THE WALRUS...I had this idea of doing a song that was a police siren, but it didn't work in the end [sings like a siren] 'I-am-he-as-you-are-he-as...' You couldn't really sing the police siren."
From [lifeofthebeatles.blogspot.com]
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We've heard this many times before of course, but the additional details are illuminating. Indeed, this is a wonderful example of the kind of creativity the Rolling Stones had for many years, though it does beg the question of where that went in recent decades.
For a while I had similar attitude and only respected the "golden years" or "Taylor years" but during this last tour I re-examined what i truly loved about The Rolling Stones and find myself lucky to have come "of age" during Wood's early years with the band. Keith and Ronnie's early experimentation as guitar partners re-invented the way guitarists listen and play with one another and the tones and inversions used for this interplay were fresh and unique at the time. So yeah it's "in my head" where music always is playing..Quote
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DoomandGloomHuh... How many MXR products were sold after SG????? Same boxes Eddie V. later used.... Talk is cheap helped revitalize the loud Tele tone... Influenced everyone..Quote
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1969 nah... His guitar tones were groundbreaking on Some Girls and Tattoo You as well as Talk is Cheap.
Nowt ground breaking about any of those guitar tones.
All in yer head.
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DoomandGloomHuh... How many MXR products were sold after SG????? Same boxes Eddie V. later used.... Talk is cheap helped revitalize the loud Tele tone... Influenced everyone..Quote
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1969 nah... His guitar tones were groundbreaking on Some Girls and Tattoo You as well as Talk is Cheap.
Nowt ground breaking about any of those guitar tones.
All in yer head.
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DoomandGloomFor a while I had similar attitude and only respected the "golden years" or "Taylor years" but during this last tour I re-examined what i truly loved about The Rolling Stones and find myself lucky to have come "of age" during Wood's early years with the band. Keith and Ronnie's early experimentation as guitar partners re-invented the way guitarists listen and play with one another and the tones and inversions used for this interplay were fresh and unique at the time. So yeah it's "in my head" where music always is playing..Quote
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DoomandGloomHuh... How many MXR products were sold after SG????? Same boxes Eddie V. later used.... Talk is cheap helped revitalize the loud Tele tone... Influenced everyone..Quote
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1969 nah... His guitar tones were groundbreaking on Some Girls and Tattoo You as well as Talk is Cheap.
Nowt ground breaking about any of those guitar tones.
All in yer head.
Frankly, I think all of Keith's innovations pre-dated Ronnie, and as good as they sometimes sounded together, Ronnie was really an excuse for Keith to get lazier rather than to continue to innovate. Maybe some innovation on Some Girls (the use of pedal steel on "Whip" comes to mind), but really they have mostly thrashed around for 30 year - for better or worse.
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Keith had already made his musical impact by then, there's little to show that Keith and Ronnie playing together had that much if any impact and influence on how other guitarists play together etc.
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Of course, the MXR would be in every guitar players pedal board after SG, no doubt about that
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Of course, the MXR would be in every guitar players pedal board after SG, no doubt about that
Well there is because MXR stuff was already popular before SG thanks to the likes of Jimmy Page, Nazareth, Van Halen.
Btw, DoomAnd Gloom, Van Halen used MXR before Some Girls was even released, on a debut album that would go on to sell more than SG.
Of course some people bought pedals due to SG, but mostly due to MXR's popularity and the timing of the release of particular pedals. It's not like the up to 1965 minimal sales Maestro FZ-1 and then Satisfaction making everyone and their dog rush out and buy one.
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Woods for the trees... the echo effect was already a well established sound, it's use via a pedal in 1978 is hardly an amazing moment of inspired experimental creativity.
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Woods for the trees... the echo effect was already a well established sound, it's use via a pedal in 1978 is hardly an amazing moment of inspired experimental creativity.
Maybe people just liked to say SG inspired them in that way, and didn't really mean it.
You're right - it's probably just the emperor's new clothes...
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"Frankly" if you think Keith has sucked for forty years why are you here?
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"Frankly" if you think Keith has sucked for forty years why are you here?
Because I didn't say he "sucked", nor do I think he sucked. I do think he stopped innovating. (I also didn't say 40 years). There's a difference.
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Woods for the trees... the echo effect was already a well established sound, it's use via a pedal in 1978 is hardly an amazing moment of inspired experimental creativity.
Maybe people just liked to say SG inspired them in that way, and didn't really mean it.
You're right - it's probably just the emperor's new clothes...
Please post some of these many people who lay direct influence of the use of an MXR pedal on Some Girls as a eureka moment of inspiration.
Influential or not, of course it is to some degree, but it's not an inspired experimental bit of creativity which is what triggered this convo in the first place. Keith hitting the bicycle spokes on Steel Wheels is more in line with the trigger for this off shoot convo, using a delay pedal for it's intended purpose isn't.
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Probably on loads of albums, but maybe not on loads of best-selling albums...
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Of course, the MXR would be in every guitar players pedal board after SG, no doubt about that
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This is a great article but the subject has been discussed by Keith many times, for instance in this interview:
[www.guitarworld.com]
The engineers would "tap" the playback head and run the recording cassette and the master machine simultaneously. By monitoring the input or printing a direct signal the musicians could overdub using this trick.Quote
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bleedingman
This is a great article but the subject has been discussed by Keith many times, for instance in this interview:
[www.guitarworld.com]
Sure, but he's adding in a bit of confusion in that one.
The tape machine take is a live as it happened thing caught on a little tape machine. So the two acoustics he says were done using that method must have involved another guitar player playing at the same time as Keith. It was probably Brian as Bill's books credit him with playing on Jumpin' Jack Flash.
That tape machine recording is then played back through a larger speaker and recorded on to professional multi-track. This acts as a distinctive sounding basic rhythm track.
They then over dub on to the remaining tracks via the usual methods.
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What sounds like electric guitars on JJF is electric guitars, the acoustic tape machine take is the compressed grungey sounding stuff which mostly plays underneath all of the electrics.
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The engineers would "tap" the playback head and run the recording cassette and the master machine simultaneously. By monitoring the input or printing a direct signal the musicians could overdub using this trick.
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I have not paid attention to this before but holy baloney there's a person here with 2 screen names kind of talking and agreeing with himself...