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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 21, 2018 00:12

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Cristiano Radtke
Exclusive Report: White Album 50th Anniversary Reissue Details!

A report on what the upcoming 50th anniversary White Album reissue …

Two media listening parties for the 50th anniversary reissue of The Beatles’ White Album are set for Sept. 26 in New York City. And sources tell Beatlefan that the various configurations of the White Album reissues look like this:

A 4-LP set (2 discs of the new stereo remix + 2 discs of Esher demos)
A 3-CD set (same material as above). Apparently two of the CDs are the new remix and the third CD is the Esher demos.
And a Super Deluxe CD Box (3 CDs as above + 3 CDs of outtakes). Plus the box will include a Blu-ray disc that will be audio only. There will be no video.

The outtakes include “Hey Jude,” “Revolution,” “Inner Light,” “Across the Universe,” “Lady Madonna,” and nonalbum tracks/jams/improvisations. Of the latter, Beatlefan has been told that at least a couple are previously unknown. There also are some rehearsals.

Included will be the 12-minute version of “Helter Skelter” that previously was boiled down to about 5 minutes for the “Anthology,” but the legendary 27-minute version of “Helter Skelter” will NOT be included.

We’re told that the new remix of the album by Giles Martin has “incredible clarity and more bass and drums present.”

An official announcement of the releases is expected soon. The release date is expected to be Nov. 9.

[beatlefansomethingnew.wordpress.com]

Wow...gotta go with the Super Deluxe, but also want the vinyl!!!! smiling smiley $$$ eye popping smiley

Between this, More Blood on the Tracks, and The Beggars 50th - it's gonna be an expensive November!

And between all of these and all the boots I have, my cup runneth over! thumbs up

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: September 21, 2018 00:24

I'm disappointed about no mono mixes included. Besides that I like what I read.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 21, 2018 01:28

The White album was included in the mono box set, as well as the stereo box set!
Never bought the stereo box set, but did buy Let it Be and Abbey Road stereo remaster individually as those were the only two that were originally recorded in stereo.

Here's an interesting article:

The White Album: Mono vs Stereo

"The White Album is literally a toss up when it comes to mono vs stereo.
This is the album that every fan should own both versions of – because literally, some songs sound better on mono, some sound better on stereo".


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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: September 21, 2018 01:32

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Hairball
The White album was included in the mono box set, as well as the stereo box set!
Never bought the stereo box set, but did buy Let it Be and Abbey Road stereo remaster individually as those were the only two that were originally recorded in stereo.

Here's an interesting article:

The White Album: Mono vs Stereo

"The White Album is literally a toss up when it comes to mono vs stereo.
This is the album that every fan should own both versions of – because literally, some songs sound better on mono, some sound better on stereo".

I bought the mono box some years ago and to me it was like listening to this album for the first time. The same goes for Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 21, 2018 01:48

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Cristiano Radtke
Quote
Hairball
The White album was included in the mono box set, as well as the stereo box set!
Never bought the stereo box set, but did buy Let it Be and Abbey Road stereo remaster individually as those were the only two that were originally recorded in stereo.

Here's an interesting article:

The White Album: Mono vs Stereo

"The White Album is literally a toss up when it comes to mono vs stereo.
This is the album that every fan should own both versions of – because literally, some songs sound better on mono, some sound better on stereo".

I bought the mono box some years ago and to me it was like listening to this album for the first time. The same goes for Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's.

Yes Cristiano, I bought it when it was first released and it's still a holy grail in my collection. Bought a second set when there was a massive sale on popmarket.com for as little as $100.
Looking at my amazon account order history from 2009 (wow spent alot of money that year!), I see that along with the Let it Be and Abbey Road stereo remaster,
I also bought the Past Masters (vol. I &II) stereo remaster which was also included as mono in the mono box set.

And now this new White album Deluxe will be another addition to the Beatlemania...might have to live off of porridge for a few months with all these deluxe/box sets being released...winking smiley

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: spikenyc ()
Date: September 21, 2018 18:11

New Lennon and Harrison video.
This is great!

"How Do You Sleep"
[www.youtube.com]

Here is a little info here -
[www.npr.org]

New & exclusive 2018 Raw Studio Mix video with never-before-seen footage.
Preorder Imagine The Ultimate Collection at Amazon [bit.ly]
The IMAGINE Raw Studio Mixes place you in the centre of Ascot Sound Studios with John Lennon and The Plastic Ono Band all around you. No reverb or echo, no effects, no strings, just live, unvarnished and raw. Available in stereo and exclusively in 5.1 Surround Sound in The Ultimate Collection Box Set.

Imagine you are at the Lennon’s home, Tittenhurst Park in Ascot, England. It's night. It's the last week in May in 1971 and you are their special guest, sat in a chair in the very center of the their recording studio, Ascot Sound Studios. John Lennon is sat in front of you, teaching the musicians one of his latest compositions. He is talking and singing and playing the same wood-finish Epiphone Casino electric guitar he played on 'Revolution'. A bearded George Harrison is in front of you, to the right, playing electric slide on John's pale blue Fender Strat. Just behind you and to your right, Rod Lynton with Ted Turner from Wishbone Ash are strumming chords on twelve string acoustic guitars, and directly behind you to the right, John and George's old friend Klaus Voormann is playing his deep hand-painted Fender Precision bass. Behind you to the left, Alan White (who would later join Yes) is playing his Ludwig silver sparkle drumkit, and in front of you to the left, John Tout from Renaissance is playing chords on the Steinway upright piano, and to his right, Nicky Hopkins is improvising on the red-top Wurlitzer Electric Piano, literally days before he leaves for Nellcôte to play on Exile on Main Street with The Rolling Stones. You are listening to the band playing 'How Do You Sleep' and all the hairs are standing up on your arms.

Imagine - The Raw Studio Mixes & Out-takes in 5.1 and Stereo
Produced by Yoko Ono
Mixed by Rob Stevens
Mix Engineer: Paul Goodrich at Merlin Studios
Mastered by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound, New York & Nashville

For the Raw Studio Mix of 'How Do You Sleep?' (Takes 5 & 6) In the Imagine Ultimate Collection Box Set on Blu-Ray Audio Disc 2, the 5.1 Surround Sound positions are:
Front Centre - John Lennon: electric guitar, vocal
Front Left - Nicky Hopkins: electric piano
Front Right - George Harrison: electric slide guitar
Surround Left - Alan White: drums
Surround Right - Klaus Voormann: bass


About ‘How Do You Sleep?’ by John & Yoko
excerpted from the 120 page book in the Imagine Ultimate Collection Box Set

John: Somebody said the other day ‘It’s about me’. You know, there’s two things I regret. One is that there was so much talk about Paul on it, they missed the song. It was a good track. And I should’ve kept me mouth shut – not on the song, it could’ve been about anybody, you know? And when you look at them back, Dylan said it about his stuff, you know, most of it’s about him. The only thing that matters is how he and I feel about those things and not what the writer or the commentator thinks about it, you know? Him and me are OK. So I don’t care what they say about that, you know? I’ve always been a little, you know, loose. And I hope it’ll change because I’m fed up of waking up in the papers. But if it doesn’t, my friends are my friends whatever way.

Find out more at [imaginejohnyoko.com]
Category
Entertainment
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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: September 21, 2018 19:10

John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Imagine & Gimme Some Truth (5-Oct-2018):

[www.Eagle-Rock.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 21, 2018 19:35

In addition to the video posted above by spikenyc, there's this showing the work in progress:

Recording 'How Do You Sleep' - John Lennon

"When it gets to the D bit, let's try to change the rhythm slightly.
I've always sort of envisaged sort of some kind of ...a bit reggae..."
- John

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: September 21, 2018 23:25

White album leak



Track list, 3 disc version:

CD 1: The Beatles, side 1 and 2 New stereo mix
CD 2: The Beatles, side 3 and 4 New stereo mix
CD 3: Esher Demos:
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness is a Warm Gun
I’m so tired
Blackbird
Piggies
Rocky Raccoon
Julia
Yer Blues
Mother Nature’s Son
Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey
Sexy Sadie
Revolution
Honey Pie
Cry Baby Cry
Sour Milk Sea
Junk
Child of Nature
Circles
Mean Mr. Mustard
Polythene Pam
Not Guilty
What's the New Mary Jane



WHITE ALBUM SUPER DELUXE 50TH anniversary: 6 CDS + BLU RAY:



CDs 1 & 2: 2018 Stereo Album Mix
CD3: Esher demos
CDs 4, 5 & 6: Sessions - 50 additional recordings, mostly unpublished, from the studio sessions of the 'White Album'; all remixed from the four-track and eight-track session bands, sorted by their recording start dates. Includes hitherto unknown white album recording of the song "Let It Be"!

Blu-ray Audio:

- 2018 album mix in high-resolution PCM stereo
- 2018 DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 Album mix
- 2018 Dolby True HD 5.1 album mix
- 2018 direct transfer of the original monomix of the album

[wogew.blogspot.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: September 22, 2018 00:01

Good to see they didn't overlook the mono mix. Looking forward to the box set. The picture of it is great.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: potus43 ()
Date: September 22, 2018 00:46

can't wait (not)

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: September 22, 2018 01:25

Found the troll, and in The Beatles thread no doubt.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: tatters ()
Date: September 23, 2018 02:45



May 1971. I'm thinking this [www.youtube.com] is probably the last time John and George played together .... except for that "I'm the Greatest" track on the 1973 Ringo album.



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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Ross ()
Date: September 24, 2018 18:35

More info from Rolling Stone...

[www.rollingstone.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 24, 2018 18:41


Amazing. That video was very insightful detailing the daunting task at hand...utilizing some of the same original equipment at Abbey Road, etc., etc.
They should make a documentary "the making of White album Deluxe" - breaking down individual tracks, etc.

Thanks for posting Cristiano...SO much to look forward to!!!! smiling smiley

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: September 24, 2018 18:48

My pleasure, Hairball! smileys with beer

I guess this video won't last too long on YT.

Back in the USSR (Stereo Demo)

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: September 24, 2018 18:56

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Cristiano Radtke
My pleasure, Hairball! smileys with beer

I guess this video won't last too long on YT.

Back in the USSR (Stereo Demo)

Like looking through a newly discovered sketchbook from Michelangelo of his work on the Sistine Chapel.
Might not be my favorite painting in the chapel, but to see the original sketch brings a new appreciation. smiling smiley

Hoping for more leaks!

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"Rip this joint, gonna save your soul..."

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: September 24, 2018 19:36

"Three different "Back In The U.S.S.R." mixes from the new release are available to listen to right now - the new 2018 Mix, the unreleased Take 5 Mix, and the Esher Demo"

[twitter.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: September 24, 2018 20:48

"MOJO 300 has been sighted! Look out for it in UK shops this week."



[twitter.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Sighunt ()
Date: September 29, 2018 23:32

Boy, I was looking at the upcoming release on Amazon. As a big fan of the White Album, this re-release with all the bonus material is mighty impressive!

[www.amazon.com]



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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 3, 2018 00:31



HERALD SUN --- 3 October 2018

ROCKMAN

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: October 3, 2018 07:53

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Rockman


HERALD SUN --- 3 October 2018

Impressive...I have not doubt that the Beggars Banquet superdeluxe set will be equally as exhaustive. Just look at last year's TSMR. We got mono AND stereo!

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: October 3, 2018 11:25

Rest in Piece Geoff Emerick - 12/05/1945-10/02/2018


[www.EmerickBeats.com]

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 4, 2018 09:32



Herald Sun -- 04 October 2018

ROCKMAN

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: potus43 ()
Date: October 5, 2018 01:03

so bored

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 5, 2018 01:20

Play JJF from Randwick 73 LOUD ……. you could jump-start a dead horse from those Keef riffs ….

ROCKMAN

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: October 5, 2018 02:45

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potus43
so bored

Misspelled boring.
Or perhaps boarish. Damn autocorrect.. amiright?

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: October 5, 2018 03:47

[www.billboard.com]
John Lennon's Collaborators Reflect on 'Imagine' Sessions & Why 'He Hated His Voice'
Back in 1971, Jim Keltner closed his eyes as he laid down the drums to John Lennon’s bittersweet ballad “Jealous Guy.” He knew he shouldn’t do it blind -- the song was just so mesmerizing. He almost forgot that he was collaborating with a former Beatle.
“But when I opened my eyes and saw John singing on the microphone…” he trails off, recalling the moment to Billboard. “That’s something I’ll never forget. It still gives me that same feeling today.”

On Friday (Oct. 5), the music that enchanted a young Keltner nearly 50 years ago receives its most lavish reissue yet with Imagine: The Ultimate Collection (Geffen/UMe).

Beatles fans may know these songs by heart, but over the course of six discs, this box set dives deep into Lennon’s first Billboard 200 No. 1 solo album and brings listeners right into the studio. Throughout it all, however, one element stands the test of time and studio trickery: Lennon’s voice.

It all started at Ascot Studios, the London recording space built by Lennon and Yoko Ono on the grounds near their country home, Tittenhurst Park. Finally freed from public pressure, bureaucracy and bad vibes, the newly emancipated Beatle could work on his own terms.
Ono sees the studio as a mini-rebellion against the trappings of a mainstream pop band -- and for a holistic “us.” “Both of us understood that it was very important to be honest and open,” she remembers. “Not for other people, but for ourselves.”

Lennon’s first solo album, John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band, was tortured, didactic and consumed with grief. With its follow-up, Imagine, he was ready to deliver similar messages in a more accessible package. The result was Lennon’s most commercially successful album, hung on its startling title track, which became a modern standard by earnestly depicting a world without hierarchy or dogma.

And its satellite songs were nearly as good: the elegant ballad “How?”, the apologetic “Jealous Guy,” and the bile-filled indictment of manipulative political figures “Gimme Some Truth."
But even as those songs have saturated the public consciousness over nearly five decades, it turns out there were still ways to flatter the sound. Specifically, Lennon was notoriously insecure about his vocal ability, leading to lots of double-tracking and tape delay on the 1971 mixes.
And Phil Spector’s production, while forward-thinking, sometimes bore his mark a little too much; “I Don’t Wanna Be A Soldier Mama,” in particular, swims in reverb and buries its powerful live-in-the-studio performance between Lennon, Keltner and bassist Klaus Voormann.

Engineers Paul Hicks and Rob Stevens took a unique, double-faced perspective to The Ultimate Collection. Hicks, a long-time Beatle comrade who worked on projects like Cirque du Soleil's Love show, the remix album Let It Be… Naked and the Beatles’ 2009 remaster campaign, handled Disc 1’s Ultimate Mixes. He simply shone the original 1971 mix to a 2018 clarity without making it overly slick or modernized.
Stevens, who co-produced 1998’s The John Lennon Anthology with Ono, took Disc 3, called Raw Studio Mixes, which feature no strings, overdubs or decoration: simply the barest, driest version of the music, as if the listener was sitting in with the band. According to Stevens, the only way to access this ultra-pure version of Imagine was to drop his own ego.

“Let’s bring up these faders, let’s forget who it is, let’s forget it’s a legend,” he remembers of the process behind Raw Studio Mixes. “Otherwise, you’re listening through a filter of ‘This is freaking John from the Beatles. This is John who sang 'No one, I think, is in my tree,' and made me sit there with my jaw dropped.’”
While Hicks’ presentation of Imagine is simmering and subtle, recommended for acolytes of the original mix, it’s by design that Stevens would go deepest into what actually happened in the room. Lennon’s living bandmates on Imagine -- Keltner, Voormann and drummer Alan White -- all hear John’s sweet-and-sour voice, accompanied by guitar or piano, as all you need from the man.

“It was always a mistake,” says Voormann, now one of John’s oldest friends and collaborators in the visual and musical realms. “He hated his voice. He told me he didn’t like his voice. But you can get much more into John’s feelings when you don’t have those effects.”

Keltner, who drummed on “Jealous Guy” and “I Don’t Wanna Be a Soldier,” agrees that less is more with Lennon: “He had one of the greatest voices ever. But he was a searcher. He loved to have things not how they were.” Voormann, who’s perhaps known Lennon the longest of the Imagine crew, agrees. “You can get much more into John’s feelings when you don’t have those effects.”

Despite being apprehensive about his voice, Lennon was, by all accounts, more relaxed than ever at Ascot. Alan White, who drums on most of Imagine, recalls a “homey” atmosphere where all involved shared meals around a big wooden table.

“It was informal,” White says, “But there was a sense of the meaningfulness of the songs. John would give us the lyrics beforehand to make sure we knew what they meant and what we were saying to the world.”

The Ultimate Collection is not the first re-release of Imagine, but it is by far the most extensive, spanning four CDs and two Blu-Ray discs in a visually arresting, Ono-curated package.

“This is it for Imagine, as far as I can… imagine,” Hicks says with a chuckle. “There’s nothing else. We’ve gone through all the tapes.”

Stevens also sees this box set as the logical finish line for an album that has continued to ensnare new fans over the last several decades. “The reason the word ‘ultimate’ was used was because that was the intention,” he says. “If you wanted to put out an Imagine that was more comprehensive and artistic than this one, good luck.”

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'I'm a monkey! I'm a monkey! Monkey! monkey! monkey!......."
M. Jagger/K. Richards



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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: October 5, 2018 17:32

Interesting to compare the productivity of John Lennon and The Stones around the same time.
Lennon completed his album in a very short space of time at his home studio.
By contrast Th Stones still had a lot of work to do on their (admittedly double album) by the time they left their home studio in The South of France later that year.
When he put his mind to it, John COULD BE extremely creative, decisive and focussed.
And be prepared to take on board other musicians ideas.
Neither Mick nor Keith seem to possess these qualities? Shame.

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