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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: November 27, 2021 23:40

I just saw episode 3 great again pity it's over confused smiley... especially the "complete" roof top concert and the after party...... looks like everybody was happy......

What struck me is George Martin's input was minimal or almost nothing.....

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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 27, 2021 23:53

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I wander how many houres were filmed at the R&R Circus love to watch six houres of music and talking by the Stones and friends

For Crossfire Hurricane Brett Morgen conducted a total
of 90 hours of interviews with the The Stones plus Wyman & Taylor .......

Now all of that would be a cool listen ......

thumbs upthumbs upthumbs up Your complete right Rocky.......let them release the whole bunch

Yes, behind the scenes footage is great...bring it on. 90 hours though? I'd like someone to cull it and bring us 6 hours of entertaining clips.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 28, 2021 01:42

A rainy afternoon, a little lubricant, and I’m lying back on the sofa to start this.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 28, 2021 04:41

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Paddy
A rainy afternoon, a little lubricant, and I’m lying back on the sofa to start this.

hang on. are you watching porn?

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 28, 2021 05:12

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Paddy
A rainy afternoon, a little lubricant, and I’m lying back on the sofa to start this.

hang on. are you watching porn?


This is my porn!! Watching these guys work out tunes is fascinating.
My lubricant comes in flower form ....... smoking smiley

This is a really really fascinating watch. Lennon seems withdrawn at times while also taking everything in. Yoko’s just there. No big deal. The clip of Lennon and her dancing is something I haven’t seen since the anthology and it was nice to see again. Moves like Lennon..... Ringo is like some silent anchor, he just keeps a calm vibe over things from his kit. George is a bit whiny at times, but these guys are hard to figure out at times. George is yawning at one point McCartney is showing them Get Back, then he casually plays a lick that would end on the finished record! McCartney seems to be the leader, at these sessions, the amount of tunes he’s throwing about is amazing. A chunk of the Abbey Road tines had fragments at this time.

It’s cool to see that interaction between George and Paul where George wants to play it out until they find something that works and McCartney wants to have some direction and format for what they’re going to play. The argument of a million bands a million times!!

(Only one episode watched so far, my take on could change by the end)



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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: November 28, 2021 06:22

I just finished Part 3 after starting and stopping all afternoon. It's amazing to witness first hand how the songs developed from a bunch of lyrics sometimes incomplete but with a raw melody. From this point on we learn that Paul is undoubtedly in charge and most diverse musically. These guys were big cigarette smokers (Kent), and tea and toast was a morning ritual. Yet they worked through everything showing up daily. They also liked reading the tabloids and stories written about them. Worth pointing out the value of a piano and acoustic guitar in developing a song. Throughout the three parts, that becomes quite obvious.

After the Part 1 Twickenham warehouse sessions it's hard to believe they came out with anything coherent. That seems to be lost in the film. By the time Part 2 starts the songs are already cleaned up and more album like, a far cry from Twickenham. After the band acclimated to their new surroundings on Savile Row, they hunkered down and just began to refine the sound, becoming more comfortable and goofing around for the camera while fine tuning the music. Billy Preston arriving on the scene really helped the band by providing an experienced keyboard player with a upbeat personality. There was also an interesting but brief clip discussing how Preston would be paid.

The rooftop show was brilliant as we all know and scenes with the cops trying to bully management with captioned audio was priceless. It's a sad ending knowing what could have been. I think things may have been different had they taken their show on the road and toured as a more mature group but...

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: terraplane ()
Date: November 28, 2021 07:36

Billy Preston certainly made a significant musical contribution to the tunes he played on

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 28, 2021 07:55

Robert Plant's comment that Paul should play bass for the Stones... excellent.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: BowieStone ()
Date: November 28, 2021 15:14


Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: jahisnotdead ()
Date: November 28, 2021 18:25

I'm thinking a lot about this movie and trying to understand exactly why it didn't work for me.

On one hand it is a great collection of historical material. On the other hand it doesn't work as straight up musical entertainment. All the repetition robs the songs of their impact that they would have had if you had only heard the finished songs once.

The Parthenon or whatever ancient stadium ruins they were thinking of playing would have been cool. Lit right, going from day to sunset to night would have looked good, I think. And they could have done it in warm weather. It would have been a great way of presenting 14 brand new songs, making an album, a movie, and a return to the live stage all at once.

To go from what could have been to the rooftop "concert" that was, is just sad to me. The idea to have the concert on the roof was done from desperation, not inspiration.

I guess I just don't understand why they didn't wait through Ringo's movie and spend that time writing and rehearsing all 14 songs

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: November 28, 2021 21:36

jahisnotdead, you make some great points. Personally I think they waisted a lot of film on the wrong project. Maybe Abbey Road album would have been better? I suppose this is the reason it sat in the vaults so long. Anyhow, I think if they edit it down to 90 minutes with the rooftop concert included would be okay. But no more than that. It's just boring, sorry to say and I'm a huge fan.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: November 28, 2021 21:44

I crashed out during the trailer ....



ROCKMAN

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: November 29, 2021 00:15

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jahisnotdead

I'm thinking a lot about this movie and trying to understand exactly why it didn't work for me.

It works foremost as a historical document. Get Back worked also for me in a way - got my €/$/£ 1.99 back. winking smiley

But the 7+ hours Disney-version is way too long and probably boring for the general audience or younger generation (used to fast music-video cuts).

They should make an approx. 2-hrs-version. Leave away all the Abbey-Road-/Solo-/Cover-Tracks and focus only on the 11 Tracks of LIB-Naked since there's no Orchestra or Phil Spector in the GetBack-film. Paul McCartney's aim in 1969 was to reinvigorate the band by returning to a simpler Rock & Roll configuration and there were - with Billy Preston - mainly 5 musicians involved.

The 2-hrs-version could depict the creation, rehearsal and recording of the LIB-songs in the timeframe January 2-28, 1969. Maybe not exactly day-by-day like in the Disney-parts but as the 4 weeks until the rooftop-performance. The depiction could be supported by short, explanatory texts to save time and for a better understanding of the situations.

The rooftop-performance should contain the 5 complete performed LIB-songs in full length and uninterrupted (4 of them are on LIB-Naked). The visual presentation should focus on the performance of the songs; the split-screen should be used sparingly and mainly to show the instruments played at the same time. The full rooftop-performance in its entirety as well as the scenes with the policemen and the spectators on the street/neighborhood could be shown in bonus-features on an extra Disc.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: donvis ()
Date: November 29, 2021 05:44

Loved it although it’s really for hard-core fans. And I don’t mean to be snarky but did Ringo ever wash his hair once the entire month? I love the Beatles but I love the stones more!

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: automaticchanger ()
Date: November 29, 2021 06:41

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donvis
Loved it although it’s really for hard-core fans. And I don’t mean to be snarky but did Ringo ever wash his hair once the entire month? I love the Beatles but I love the stones more!

I spent half of Episode 2 wondering when Paul, Ringo and John would next wash their hair - seems George was the only one who consistently cared about looking his best for the cameras.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: z ()
Date: November 29, 2021 08:26

Beatles shmeatles...

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: November 29, 2021 11:29

29th November 2001:



20 years ago that George Harrison passed away at the age of just 58.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: filstan ()
Date: November 29, 2021 20:54

The Get Back 3 part documentary is essential viewing for any serious fan of The Beatles. All three parts need to be watched to understand how the project, people involved, and the songs evolved into a final product. We were able to see songs created more or less from beginning to end. The band searching to develop the music towards a conclusion.

While I thought part one was a little bit plodding at times, this was simply how it developed as the band members started trying to find their way with new material. Clearly, they hated the feel of that large set at Twickenham as it lacked the intimacy of a smaller room. The dynamic between band members was on display for better or worse. George clearly was not feeling good about the process via his involvement or lack there of. It was pretty much Paul as musical director, as no one else really seemed to want the move things forward. John seemed kind of detached over at Twickenham. Weird to watch Yoko. The other band members had to be somewhat put off with her presence. Linda Eastman certainly gave Paul plenty of space, and was content to watch at a respectful distance. I don't blame Yoko for any of this. Why John felt the need to have her always at hands length seemed a bit unfair to the other guys, so I lay that dynamic on John. Never mind the Yoko screeching bits jamming with a few of the guys. Ouch. As rough on the ears as her participation in R and R Circus.

Part two and three certainly were more lively as the band got down to the work necessary to complete songs. Lennon emerged as a creative force both lyrically and as a guitar player to move things forward. George for sure back in the fold with new found enthusiasm. Ringo ever the good soldier.There at exactly the right time laying it down. I have a greater appreciation of Paul the musician than ever before having watched this. The guy was a dynamo, moving from bass to acoustic guitar, over to piano. Peeling off so many different songs on piano, never missing a beat. Diverse vocal stylings. A supremely talented guy. I was also surprised to watch and hear John as a guitarist play stuff I always assumed was George. John was a much more accomplished guitar player than I had previously though based on decades of listening to the records. Lennon wit on full display. That guy owned a room wherever he went. I thought when Billy Preston was a massive musical catalyst when he sat down at the keyboard with the band. How serendipitous for him to be in London at that time. Nicky was discussed as a possibility. We will never know how that would have changed the songs. Interesting to watch Ethan Russell of Stones 1969 tour fame shooting photos while the band rehearsed. He moved so comfortably around the room looking for the right shots. Glyn Johns really contributing to the proceedings. Mal Evans as well. They had much respect from the band. Really fun to watch how the rooftop gig came together. They did such a good job setting that up at the last minute. Musically watching the band have fun, and them pretty much nailing the material after some nervous concerns beforehand. The Beatles were total pros the minute they plugged in and began their set.

Such a pity those guys didn't go out on tour after that. They would have found that same audience the Stones discovered when they went to the US in 1969. Who knows musically where all of it would ended up. They were in their prime, and went their separate ways. The film at least brought the viewer into their musical world for a special and intimate look at how that band functioned together, and the creative forces those guys were. Sorry for the long review. I think Get Back is special. Pity the Stones have nothing like this unless one considers the Goddard film. Who on this list wouldn't want 5-10 hours of the Stones in the studio and a set filmed like what we have from the Marquee Club?

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: November 29, 2021 21:01

"I don't blame Yoko for any of this... ...never mind the Yoko screeching bits" so what is it then?

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 29, 2021 21:16

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Nikkei
"I don't blame Yoko for any of this... ...never mind the Yoko screeching bits" so what is it then?

She seemed pretty quite and reserved, so there’s no blame there for how these sessions went.

Nevermind the screeching Jams.....

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: coffeepotman ()
Date: November 29, 2021 21:36

It's all in the editing

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: November 29, 2021 22:21

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Paddy
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Nikkei
"I don't blame Yoko for any of this... ...never mind the Yoko screeching bits" so what is it then?

She seemed pretty quite and reserved, so there’s no blame there for how these sessions went.

Nevermind the screeching Jams.....

again that does not make any sense. you're either quiet and reserved or screeching, it can't be both

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 29, 2021 22:31

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Nikkei
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Nikkei
"I don't blame Yoko for any of this... ...never mind the Yoko screeching bits" so what is it then?

She seemed pretty quite and reserved, so there’s no blame there for how these sessions went.

Nevermind the screeching Jams.....

again that does not make any sense. you're either quiet and reserved or screeching, it can't be both


Yes you can be quite and reserved and at times loud. That’s most music !!

When John, Paul & George are not singing or playing they are pretty quite and reserved, when they are singing they are not.

Yoko is quite and reserved until the freak out jams. Then she screeches along with the instruments.

What don’t you get?

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: November 29, 2021 22:43

I get that you're determined not to get it which is fine

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 29, 2021 22:46

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Nikkei
I get that you're determined not to get it which is fine

Explain it to me.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: November 29, 2021 22:51

When someone comes in with the intent to do something inexplicable that's a nuisance to everyone else, there's no way to say that otherwise she was nice and John is to blame for the dynamic of her being there

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: November 29, 2021 23:43

Watched Part 1 for the second time. Originally, it was my least favorite of the three but watching it a second time gives you a entire different perspective and allows you to focus on the details even more. The first viewing is always eye opening to what you've never seen, after that, you can dig in and understand what may have drifted by your attention. Remember and most importantly, by 1969 Lennon and McCartney had already been playing together about a dozen years which in those days was an eternity. They were already talking about the "old days" and they were only in their late 20's.



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Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: November 29, 2021 23:50

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Nikkei
When someone comes in with the intent to do something inexplicable that's a nuisance to everyone else, there's no way to say that otherwise she was nice and John is to blame for the dynamic of her being there


After reading through the years, it came over that Yoko was a totally destructive force during these sessions.

But She’s just there it appears apart from Squawking on occasion.

George had two Hare Krishna guys around at times.

McCartney had his family in there.


I agree she hadn’t a place there, but she was there like it or not.
And she’s a lot less vocal and annoying than has been portrayed. There’s so many people hanging around the studio during theses sessions, what’s one more.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: filstan ()
Date: November 29, 2021 23:54

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Nikkei
"I don't blame Yoko for any of this... ...never mind the Yoko screeching bits" so what is it then?

Nikkei: As I mentioned, John was the person that enabled Yoko not only to be there, but to do as she chose to do. This doesn't mean I liked anything about her shrieking at all. My feeling is that if John had said no, it would likely not have gone down the way it did. I guess I could have chosen my words differently. Looking back at the Dirty Mac accompanied by shrieking Yoko. That was John being provocative and getting his way. That is just the way I view it. And yes, editing of the film material by a group of people played a role in what we were chosen to view. What was left in, and what video didn't make the final cut.

Re: Beatles vs Stones - and other Beatles stuff
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: November 29, 2021 23:55

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Paddy
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Nikkei
When someone comes in with the intent to do something inexplicable that's a nuisance to everyone else, there's no way to say that otherwise she was nice and John is to blame for the dynamic of her being there


After reading through the years, it came over that Yoko was a totally destructive force during these sessions.

But She’s just there it appears apart from Squawking on occasion.

George had two Hare Krishna guys around at times.

McCartney had his family in there.


I agree she hadn’t a place there, but she was there like it or not.
And she’s a lot less vocal and annoying than has been portrayed. There’s so many people hanging around the studio during theses sessions, what’s one more.

The difference being Yoko was practically sitting in John's lap every day. IMO, I thought they had very few people hanging around the sessions. Bare minimum.

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