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Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 14:46

"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 15:47

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DandelionPowderman
"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.


By who?

They reached a high level of succes, people were interested enough to buy tickets to sell out venues and there was plenty of opportunity (good financial deals could be made) to continue touring.
In this climate the economy is in you don't neglect all that and wait 8 months until you have to start all over again with building a momentum just for the "studio work" KR is doing...

I still believe in Santa Claus.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 15:51

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Dreamer
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DandelionPowderman
"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.


By who?

They reached a high level of succes, people were interested enough to buy tickets to sell out venues and there was plenty of opportunity (good financial deals could be made) to continue touring.
In this climate the economy is in you don't neglect all that and wait 8 months until you have to start all over again with building a momentum just for the "studio work" KR is doing...

I still believe in Santa Claus.

Can't say that here...

Believing that 70 year old men need a rest is not the same as believing in Santa Claus grinning smiley



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Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 8, 2013 15:58

Dunno, they seemed fine at HP and it's not like they had an exacting schedule.

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It's likely they would have toured Europe this fall if someone had made them an offer they couldn't refuse...yeah Mick doesn't do it for the money only but at this point in the game there has to be some special incentive to kick back things into motion.

Last year there was the fiftieth, the fact that UMG wanted new tracks for Grrr (the Paris "sessions" wouldn't have happened if not and since they went well apparently, soo regrouping in Paris for 6 weeks of rehearsals followed), also the fact that the 2007 tour wasn't their best, the Glastonbury opportunity, the HP 1969 "anniversary" of sorts, etc...none of these incentives exist at this current point and arguably they left the stage on three highlights and have a great movie documenting that, why not stay on that high note?

But yeah Mick's unpredictable, he likes to "wing it" sometimes, possibly because he still likes to think he's a "free spirit" of the 60s and not the perfectionist "control freak' he's portrayed to be...and he still takes chances so there might be some more good stuff for us in store at some point!



It's likely they would have toured Europe this fall if someone had made them an offer they couldn't refuse...yeah Mick doesn't do it for the money only but at this point in the game there has to be some special incentive to kick back things into motion.

There was an offer and it was absolutely very reasonable; given the fact that MJ doesn't do it for the money only why he didn't take the offer is an interesting question...the possible answer? There are also special incentives for not kicking things into motion...

Not sure what you're hinting at...health issues ? Or is it your pet peave, the Mick/Keith "problems" ? If anything, the past 12 months showed that they can work around them assuming they're a real 'problem' in the first place. As for the offer, nothing of substance ever leaked so it's just hearsay, like the 5 shows at Bercy in May 2013, then the 3 shows at Bercy in November, etc...

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Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 16:40

Ha, it's not my pet peeve. Just reality at the Stones; the MJ/KR situation was and still is more or less a political minefield. That determined their past as it will determine their future.

Again; we all agree they really reached a high level of success with lots of people buying tickets to sell out venues and plenty of opportunity (good financial deals others were willing to make; those possibilities were there) to continue touring..

But hey, now that we are 70 let's wait 10 months to start all over again with building a momentum so Keith can do a little ditty with Lee Perry...confused smiley
Or let's try this; maybe people like to believe we give KR 10 months to get better...

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 16:49

You're not particularly fond of Keith, are you? grinning smiley

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 16:54

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Dreamer
Ha, it's not my pet peeve. Just reality at the Stones; the MJ/KR situation was and still is more or less a political minefield. That determined their past as it will determine their future.

Again; we all agree they really reached a high level of success with lots of people buying tickets to sell out venues and plenty of opportunity (good financial deals others were willing to make; those possibilities were there) to continue touring..

But hey, now that we are 70 let's wait 10 months to start all over again with building a momentum so Keith can do a little ditty with Lee Perry...confused smiley
Or let's try this; maybe people like to believe we give KR 10 months to get better...

Nice dismissive statement there, Dreamer. I, like many others, am looking forward to whatever Keith is up to in the studio.
They all have various things going on right now. When, or if, they tour again in the next year will obviously depend on many factors. At least Keith is keeping busy making music.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 17:26

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DandelionPowderman
You're not particularly fond of Keith, are you? grinning smiley

Au contraire.
Probably more relevant in this discussion is the fact that you yourself could be a little too fond of KR.
I always liked him for being very very funny at all times and for the music. His remarks about MJ became too serious and too heavy so that changed my opinion about him a little, yes, but 'not fond of him'is not what I feel. I still like to see him playing music, studio or on stage. He is constructive in and with that to other people and that's nice to see.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: November 8, 2013 17:42

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DandelionPowderman
"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.

How many years was the last break? How many years does Keith have left? You think he's going to be playing on a stage in 3 or 4 years? He had his moments on the last tour but anyone looking closely knows that as each month goes by the likelihood becomes less abd less. The thought that this delay is intentional is preposterous, as is the thought that they are not now on the road because of "studio work." That is all PR BS.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 17:44

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latebloomer
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Dreamer
Ha, it's not my pet peeve. Just reality at the Stones; the MJ/KR situation was and still is more or less a political minefield. That determined their past as it will determine their future.

Again; we all agree they really reached a high level of success with lots of people buying tickets to sell out venues and plenty of opportunity (good financial deals others were willing to make; those possibilities were there) to continue touring..

But hey, now that we are 70 let's wait 10 months to start all over again with building a momentum so Keith can do a little ditty with Lee Perry...confused smiley
Or let's try this; maybe people like to believe we give KR 10 months to get better...

Nice dismissive statement there, Dreamer. I, like many others, am looking forward to whatever Keith is up to in the studio.
They all have various things going on right now. When, or if, they tour again in the next year will obviously depend on many factors. At least Keith is keeping busy making music.


No; why do you wanna make it that? I'm sure you understand that when you compare this tour with rehearsals and travel to doing studio work with LP that for everyone here a tour with the Stones is far more important..?
When we have to believe "Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET..." and when "studio work" appears to be doing something with Lee Perry...I call it doing a little ditty because that's what it is if they could be on the road at the same time.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 19:07

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Dreamer
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latebloomer
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Dreamer
Ha, it's not my pet peeve. Just reality at the Stones; the MJ/KR situation was and still is more or less a political minefield. That determined their past as it will determine their future.

Again; we all agree they really reached a high level of success with lots of people buying tickets to sell out venues and plenty of opportunity (good financial deals others were willing to make; those possibilities were there) to continue touring..

But hey, now that we are 70 let's wait 10 months to start all over again with building a momentum so Keith can do a little ditty with Lee Perry...confused smiley
Or let's try this; maybe people like to believe we give KR 10 months to get better...

Nice dismissive statement there, Dreamer. I, like many others, am looking forward to whatever Keith is up to in the studio.
They all have various things going on right now. When, or if, they tour again in the next year will obviously depend on many factors. At least Keith is keeping busy making music.


No; why do you wanna make it that? I'm sure you understand that when you compare this tour with rehearsals and travel to doing studio work with LP that for everyone here a tour with the Stones is far more important..?
When we have to believe "Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET..." and when "studio work" appears to be doing something with Lee Perry...I call it doing a little ditty because that's what it is if they could be on the road at the same time.


Keith was very clear that he wanted to get into the studio with Mick after the tour and yet you attribute the whole reason that they aren't touring is because Keith is recording with Lee Perry and that Keith isn't up to it healthwise. If that's your opinion, fine.

You are entitled to your opinion, Dreamer, as is everyone on this board, but your "who me?" attitude whenever anyone calls you out on your attitude toward Keith is disingenuous and tiresome. At least posters like ProudMary are upfront about their Keith opinions and don't try to pretend otherwise.

Grrrrr....

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 8, 2013 19:23

This discussion is not going anywhere is it...the only logical explanation is that they didn't get an offer they couldn't refuse. Now if Dreamer wants to hint that "There are also special incentives for not kicking things into motion" I guess that's her prerogative but based on the past year, other than health issues there's no reason that the fall European Tour didn't happen with the right offer.

Going to SA or Asia in 2014 coasting on the "50th and Counting" concept could work I suppose (but would have worked better with a Fall European Tour under their belt...) but I doubt Mick will come back to Europe or the USA with that "worn out" concept...although I suppose that technically they only played the UK not Europe. If Mick doesn't want to stay on the Glasto/HP1/HP2 "home" run and excellent SSS movie I suspect some of us here might, barring anything "new".

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Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: kahoosier ()
Date: November 8, 2013 20:37

I think with health issues we just tend to the think of the Big Four. But didn't Keith lay low for a long time because of Patti's illness? Shirlie Watts is not a Youngster. Expand the circle, a reason for a delay could involve the health of a great number of people, that we don't know , read , or talk about with regularity.

That said, I still think like so many, the delay is that the guys all refuse to downsize their finacial expectations to the current world financial situation.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 20:50

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Rokyfan
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DandelionPowderman
"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.

How many years was the last break? How many years does Keith have left? You think he's going to be playing on a stage in 3 or 4 years? He had his moments on the last tour but anyone looking closely knows that as each month goes by the likelihood becomes less abd less. The thought that this delay is intentional is preposterous, as is the thought that they are not now on the road because of "studio work." That is all PR BS.

They always have breaks between continents. Now in their age they need some more time off between legs.

It might very well be PR BS, but it's not my PR BS.

When Keith is working now, I doubt his health is the reason for the delay, as you presume here.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 20:53

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You're not particularly fond of Keith, are you? grinning smiley

Au contraire.
Probably more relevant in this discussion is the fact that you yourself could be a little too fond of KR.
I always liked him for being very very funny at all times and for the music. His remarks about MJ became too serious and too heavy so that changed my opinion about him a little, yes, but 'not fond of him'is not what I feel. I still like to see him playing music, studio or on stage. He is constructive in and with that to other people and that's nice to see.

Why should I, and what on earth does that have to do with this thread?

You imply that he is the reason for the delay, why?

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Date: November 8, 2013 20:59

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gotdablouse
This discussion is not going anywhere is it...the only logical explanation is that they didn't get an offer they couldn't refuse. Now if Dreamer wants to hint that "There are also special incentives for not kicking things into motion" I guess that's her prerogative but based on the past year, other than health issues there's no reason that the fall European Tour didn't happen with the right offer.

Going to SA or Asia in 2014 coasting on the "50th and Counting" concept could work I suppose (but would have worked better with a Fall European Tour under their belt...) but I doubt Mick will come back to Europe or the USA with that "worn out" concept...although I suppose that technically they only played the UK not Europe. If Mick doesn't want to say on the Glasto/HP1/HP2 "home" run and excellent SSS movie I suspect some of us here might, barring anything "new".

Hear, hear!

The plan was obviously to come back with somthing new. For a number of reasons, that may not be the case - but we don't know that for sure, do we?

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: mtaylor ()
Date: November 8, 2013 21:46

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DandelionPowderman
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gotdablouse
This discussion is not going anywhere is it...the only logical explanation is that they didn't get an offer they couldn't refuse. Now if Dreamer wants to hint that "There are also special incentives for not kicking things into motion" I guess that's her prerogative but based on the past year, other than health issues there's no reason that the fall European Tour didn't happen with the right offer.

Going to SA or Asia in 2014 coasting on the "50th and Counting" concept could work I suppose (but would have worked better with a Fall European Tour under their belt...) but I doubt Mick will come back to Europe or the USA with that "worn out" concept...although I suppose that technically they only played the UK not Europe. If Mick doesn't want to say on the Glasto/HP1/HP2 "home" run and excellent SSS movie I suspect some of us here might, barring anything "new".

Hear, hear!

The plan was obviously to come back with somthing new. For a number of reasons, that may not be the case - but we don't know that for sure, do we?

Whatever they want to do - keep the music in THE "first place" and not the show

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: November 8, 2013 21:48

Sooooooo....

Anyone want to start a rumor about upcoming shows?
I'd LOVE TO READ ONE!

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: November 8, 2013 21:56

Keith was very clear that he wanted to get into the studio with Mick
Interestingly enough so was Mick...so why did it not happen??

you attribute the whole reason that they aren't touring is because Keith is recording with Lee Perry and that Keith isn't up to it healthwise.
No that's not what I'm saying. And this is certainly not about health! Where do you read that??
And the only thing I said about Perry is that to me since "Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET... it's ridiculously strange that this "studio work" (the source was DP and he implied it would be making a Stones album) appears to be doing something with Perry...
I say that because I DON'T believe they aren't touring because of "Studio work"...it is absolutely bs to stop touring because KR has e ditty to do with Perry; very nice to do so but totally ridiculous to stop a Stones tour for. And it's also doesn't make sense to wait 10 months or so and try to start this momentum all over again when finally (at 70!) you're in a good flow...a break for three weeks holiday ok but 10 months?? When you are 70?? Even for studio work on a Stones album that would be crazy since there was no reason to make an album at all...

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: November 8, 2013 22:41

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"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.

How many years was the last break? How many years does Keith have left? You think he's going to be playing on a stage in 3 or 4 years? He had his moments on the last tour but anyone looking closely knows that as each month goes by the likelihood becomes less abd less. The thought that this delay is intentional is preposterous, as is the thought that they are not now on the road because of "studio work." That is all PR BS.

They always have breaks between continents. Now in their age they need some more time off between legs.

It might very well be PR BS, but it's not my PR BS.

When Keith is working now, I doubt his health is the reason for the delay, as you presume here.

Not blaming you, I meant it's publicity that the machine puts out. And I didn't say and don't think that Keith's health is the reason for the lack of shows I think it is all economic -- the failure to find apromoter that will give them what they want -- and I think that what they want is so high because Mick needs huge bucks to work with keith.

The mention of keith's health was just to refute any notion that this delay is intentional, or that it can go on too much longer. He can still play -- I saw it myself -- but it seems like its a major effort to get it going and as the months go by it becomes less likely. I do not think Keith's health is what is keeping them off the road now.

They can't take more time off now than in the past, it's just not possible. They wanted to keep it going and they could not because they can't get the money. If they (Mick) lower the demand, maybe there will be more shows. If not soon, then never.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:02

the glimmers would be on the road now if the $ were to there liking .

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: angee ()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:09

Dreamer, what do you mean by the statement that "there was no reason to make an album at all."
Don't some people wish for new RS music?

gotdablouse, is there a word missing here?
"If Mick doesn't want to say on the Glasto/HP1/HP2 "home" run and excellent SSS movie I suspect some of us here might, barring anything "new"."

The speculation seems to grow more and more fanciful in light of no new info. I know, I do it too.

~"Love is Strong"~

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 8, 2013 23:27

Sorry, it's a typo, should have read "stay".

I think there's a real "risk" that the more time passes, the more they might want to stay on that high point and apt ending...

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Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: angee ()
Date: November 9, 2013 02:26

Okay, thanks, gotdablouse. I think I have it now. cool smiley

Those were high points to end on, granted. Despite that, I stilI believe there will be more next year.

~"Love is Strong"~

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Aquamarine ()
Date: November 9, 2013 02:49

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Rokyfan
I think that what they want is so high because Mick needs huge bucks to work with keith.

I think this notion is WAAAAAY over-exaggerated. Nobody imagines they're best pals anymore, but they have a cordial working relationship, they don't have to like each other.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: November 9, 2013 03:46

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I think that what they want is so high because Mick needs huge bucks to work with keith.

I think this notion is WAAAAAY over-exaggerated. Nobody imagines they're best pals anymore, but they have a cordial working relationship, they don't have to like each other.

you could be right, but the fact that the financial demand is huge is indisputable. It may well be that it would be the same regardless of their relationship. It sometimes seems that Mick really dislikes Keith, to say the least, but he probably is enough of a pro to keep that separate from the bottom line.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: Grison ()
Date: November 9, 2013 10:05

I think you tend to make to much bla bla about weak rumours and try to make a Story for yourself around it.
Once again: Fact was that the European Tour in fall was more or less ready, but without fixed Dates once we left the last two concerts in the US. However it seems the contracts to sign did not come to the end.
Now my assumption is that the Rolling Stones may have wanted more rights about what ever the reason was, while sharks of Promoters and Sponsors try to get their biggest share of the cake. And at the end it might have been personal reasons as Björnulf also indiciated. The guys are free to do want they want to do and I don't blame them.

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: rollingon ()
Date: November 9, 2013 12:15

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"Studio work" was given as the reason for not touring YET...

I still believe they are in the need of longer breaks between tours, and that that might be a reason as well.

How many years was the last break? How many years does Keith have left? You think he's going to be playing on a stage in 3 or 4 years? He had his moments on the last tour but anyone looking closely knows that as each month goes by the likelihood becomes less abd less. The thought that this delay is intentional is preposterous, as is the thought that they are not now on the road because of "studio work." That is all PR BS.

They always have breaks between continents. Now in their age they need some more time off between legs.

It might very well be PR BS, but it's not my PR BS.

When Keith is working now, I doubt his health is the reason for the delay, as you presume here.

I think the main reason for the break is MJ and his other activities, KR may not be the factor here at all though it is possible that there are some health issues.

But the reality is that when the Stones are touring, the biggest pressure is always on MJ, in so many different ways, in performing, in organizing and managing, in pr-work, he is in a very good shape physically and mentally but it can be stressful for him, try to put yourself in his position and think about it!

For example after 1998 tour Jerry Hall said that MJ was really, really tired, in 1998!

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: rollingon ()
Date: November 9, 2013 12:17

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the glimmers would be on the road now if the $ were to there liking .

This opinion has been repeated so many times, I think it starts to be a some kind of rock'n roll cliche...

Re: Rumoured Rolling Stones shows 2013-2014
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: November 9, 2013 15:57

the glimmers are not gonna roll out the big touring machine without making it worth there time and effort for chump change ,this is not some cheap fly by night operation . it takes a lot of money in production costs to pay for the whole organization . it's a big operation .plus they have to make a profit after all that is there job ,just like it is for them and us .to go to work and make a GOOD LIVING . it is not some utopian social experiment to give away the prouduct for peanuts . that does not motivate the glimmers and it goes ditto for myself . here i am working on a holiday weekend getting time and a half .i am not getting up bright and early on a holiday weekend for anything less , and i have to work this sunday also . pay me or i stay home ,it's that simple .do i hate the high ticket prices ? you betcha , but i also have so much fun catching my favorite band in the world live .nothing compares to it at all anywhere in the world !!!!!!!

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