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The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

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hbwriter
And if you look at Jagger with Grohl - he seems to be feeling, "Thank god someone with crazy energy like me is up here - this is what a show is supposed to be"

What he's doing is using Grohl as a Keith substitute. He'll play and get all excited with Raitt, Fogerty, Perry, Mayer, Urban and Grohl, but not Keith. It's his way of punishing him somehow, their little soap opera being played out as they approach 70 years old on American stages every few nights.

I think you are right.
Quite sickening somehow, and sad, very sad.
Keef should finish his Xpensive Winos record and tour with his other band.
End of 50 years !!!
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crumbling_mice
The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

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crumbling_mice
The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

I agree- but clearly the decision is that taylor is a limited guest and no more - i LOATHE that - but since it is the reality, then we have to deal with it - watching MT noodle and strum on satisfaction was a farce, if you ask me- at the least he should have a 4-6 set he can hang for - he brins a wonderful and rich presence to the preceedings - QUESTION - on love in vain at the echo - did he play on it?

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I find it notable that nobody discusses the second half of the show, as if there's a implicit acknowledgement that it's purely going through the motions.
Enquiring minds want to know, how was Miss You?

"going through the motions" can also be called "giving the people what they want" - my 16 year daughter's first stones show last night was something she'll never forget - the war horse set is not done for a bunch of gray haired malcontents that have seen the band 50 times -it's for the youth and the uninitiated - try looking at it in that light and maybe it will make mor sense. As for Miss You - I just asked my daughter what she thought of it - and she said it rocked. There's your review.

I am glad your daughter got to enjoy the show, but let's face it, how many seats are filled with people taking their kids or even more unlikely, groups of under 30's ready to rock out? The "youth" couldn't afford to go in a million years unless they have a trust fund, assuming they felt like it. FWIW, I'm not even that old, and certainly neither grey haired nor a malcontent. I'm simply sharing my observations.

i saw a ton of kids at the show last night - families - look it's a tough balance-i'm sorry the two new tunes take up space- there are things they want to do - and HAVE to do - bitch, silver, and shattered were strong adds last night, i thought - me? i'd lose the two new songs, kill sympathy and you got me rocking - and add another five lesser played tunes - then i think EVERYONE would be happy - but it ain't me - or you - it's them - and many have died frustrated trying to figure tHEM out

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crumbling_mice
The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

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Thrylan
So, as fans we are petty for wanting an acceptable product, but the two 70 year olds acting like children is excusable. Do I have this right. Again, how many casual fans are paying this much money. I am crying BS! Additionally, is it really worse to call it like you see it, instead of making excuses for your beloved? Hssss my precious.

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Rocky Dijon
I think Crumbling Mice's point is the studio recording is very much a two-guitar assault (Keith and Mr. Taylor) as it was when played live in 1972 and 1973. The live performances since then have never matched what was accomplished initially. From the STEEL WHEELS tour on, it's mainly been a song for the horns and little else.

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Bitch : energy contrast between Mick and Keith is cruel here

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crumbling_mice
Yes, I was meaning the two guitar assault via Taylor and Keith. On reflection, I'm probably letting this Taylor thing sour my judgement of what has so far been a great tour. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that public pressure gets to Jagger and they let him on for 3 or 4 songs. Maybe it's in the contract that he plays more when they get to the UK, maybe not.

There have been some hits and misses with the guest slots...I'd count Grohl as a hit from what the majority of you all say...Ga Ga and Stefani, a miss. I've a feeling it might be Bobby Womack at Glastonbury as he is playing the Festival.

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the show seemed pretty packed - merch stands overflowing -look, this thing is a hit - as it should be. It is historic - this is, for all intents, the last real run - just enjoy it.

we are all so spoiled by this band. i'd resist the urge to attack - gently critique? sure. attack? wow.

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dave grohl: @#$%& Keith Richards, @#$%& all those dudes who survived the sixties. Flying around in private jets, living up their gunslinger reputation as they @#$%& supermodels in the most expensive hotel in Paris. It's like: you know what Lemmy is doing? Lemmy is... probably drinking Jack'N'Cokes and writing another record!

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The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

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Big Al
I really do wonder about the bashing of Dave Grohl, here, I cannot help but assume that any here know little of Foo Fighters and the success Grohl has achieved since Nirvana and Cobain's suicide. He's a respectable songwriter and musician and held in high regard. He went from being a drummer - who Cobain didn't rate, reportedly - to lead-singer and showman with the stadium-filling Foo Fighters. He deserves credit. He dissed Keith in that documentary? I think his comment was more to do with Lemmy than Keith Richards. I'd be surprised if Grohl were not a Stones and Keith Richards fan.

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crumbling_mice
The thing that really irks me is that you would be hard pushed to find a Stones fan who would prefer to see Dave Grohl playing the solo on Bitch in place of Mick Taylor. Yet here we have a situation where Taylor (one of the world's best rock lead players) is standing in the wings watching Dave Grohl play on a song that he recorded with the band. Now if playing a show is giving the public what they want then they are missing the opportunity big time. Fine, have Grohl as a guest if you must, but why give him a Taylor suited song? Why not give him Respectable like they did with Meyer?

I'm not sure about Jagger intentionally trying to hurt Keith by having these guests up front with him, if anyone is getting hurt it's Taylor. Yes, I'll give you that Grohl upped the energy, but wouldn't Taylor have done the same although it would have been through his playing rather than his head banging.

Here's a bottom line for me on the ridiculousness of those who think they know better than the band on when to use MT and for how much.

If you feel a need to tell people (in a stones fan thread no less) that Mick Taylor is "one of the world's best rock lead players" then you are actually proving that he is not. May have been at one time, but his solo career would mirror Clapton's or any number of actual "best rock lead players".

Try again - that didn;t make sense.