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His Majesty
There was a lot more than just the speakeasy, a chauffeur could drive him and you give rock biographers and journalists far too much credit.

We are talking about 5 - 10 minutes worth of film where he is not in view. None of us know why he isn't in that scene. He could simply be in the control room.

With respect, all this other stuff is just waffling, wild guessing nonsense.

Why not focus on the music within the scene, take interest that bill is playing acoustic for a bit and that they talk about productions ideas similar to Jumpin' Jack Flash for this work in progress track they are working on.

Those are things we actually can have a clue about because it's all there to be seen and heard.

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I'm just thinking, if Brian did not even show up to this particular session for whatever reason when Jean-Luc Godard is in the studio shooting a film of the sessions, he probably didn't show up to a lot of sessions at all.
Is he playing any guitar on Beggars Banquet except from the slide on No Expectations? Brians contributions at this time probably didn't required a lot of time in the studio.

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The Beggar's Banquet sessions were done usually from 10 p.m. to 4 a.m., so courts would not have been in session during those hours, but I get your point, at least I think I do, that he may have had too much weighing on his mind to concentrate on music.

But I think there might have been one or two other factors. If I were to place myself in Brian's position, I could immediately think of two things that would make me lose interest in showing up for sessions with the enthusiasm that one's presence would have required to be productive. First, Brian was the founder member. Listen to Bill Wyman, he'll tell you. He formed the band, he named it. Before they were under professional management, it was Brian writing the letters to get them auditions and phoning clubs to get them gigs. And Brian was a significant contributing musical force in the early days: that groundbreaking electric slide on I Wanna Be Your Man, and that hypnotic hook running through their first #1 song Little Red Rooster--would LRR have been #1 without that slide guitar? Perhaps not. Then his distinguishing presence on such tracks as Lady Jane, Paint It Black, and Ruby Tuesday. But by the time of Beggar's Banquet, his adventurous ideas are no longer being accepted and he is being reduced to merely being told what to play and how much and when. He is not making music any longer; instead, he is merely taking musical direction. Such a role is OK if you are Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts, but not if you are Brian Jones.

Another factor is Anita. Even Brian's parents knew that Anita was the only woman he ever really loved. And to have had your fellow bandmate and guitar foil having run off with her was bad enough, but if you watch toward the end of the film when they are doing the SFTD vocal overdubs, the "Hoo-Hoo", you see Anita there as one of the contributing backing vocalists. It might have made it easier for Brian to have been present if she had not been there in the studio, as an extra reminder that he could not escape the painful reminder of her presence even in the fraternal confines of the recording studio.

I believe these were the main reasons why, by 1968, Brian's heart was no longer in what had become Mick and Keith's Rolling Stones.

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But by the time of Beggar's Banquet, his adventurous ideas are no longer being accepted and he is being reduced to merely being told what to play and how much and when. He is not making music any longer; instead, he is merely taking musical direction. Such a role is OK if you are Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts, but not if you are Brian Jones.

This is true and something that is very overlooked when talking abput Brian. The new order. No more "arranged by the Rolling Stones". AFAIK Brian had been managed to stay pretty clean from drugs during the first half of 68 and was very exciting about JJF. He is supposed to have liked the new direction but lost interest when he discovered the new order in the studio and that his musical ideas were ignored.

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His Majesty
There was a lot more than just the speakeasy, a chauffeur could drive him and you give rock biographers and journalists far too much credit.

We are talking about 5 - 10 minutes worth of film where he is not in view. None of us know why he isn't in that scene. He could simply be in the control room.

With respect, all this other stuff is just waffling, wild guessing nonsense.

Why not focus on the music within the scene, take interest that bill is playing acoustic for a bit and that they talk about productions ideas similar to Jumpin' Jack Flash for this work in progress track they are working on.

Those are things we actually can have a clue about because it's all there to be seen and heard.

I don't give the music journalists and biographers any credit actually, because like you and I they were not there.

I just go on the assumption that the Beggar's Banquet sessions was the point where Brian was becoming less and less of a creative musical factor in the music The Stones made, and I think it bothered him a great deal. Unlike on previous albums, he was not given the chance to shine, to have his unique musical gift appear as the centerpiece of a given track, with the notable exception of No Expectations.

By the way, I enjoy my waffling with a heaping helping of syrup for the sweetness.

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His Majesty
There was a lot more than just the speakeasy, a chauffeur could drive him and you give rock biographers and journalists far too much credit.

We are talking about 5 - 10 minutes worth of film where he is not in view. None of us know why he isn't in that scene. He could simply be in the control room.

With respect, all this other stuff is just waffling, wild guessing nonsense.

Why not focus on the music within the scene, take interest that bill is playing acoustic for a bit and that they talk about productions ideas similar to Jumpin' Jack Flash for this work in progress track they are working on.

Those are things we actually can have a clue about because it's all there to be seen and heard.

I don't give the music journalists and biographers any credit actually, because like you and I they were not there.

I just go on the assumption that the Beggar's Banquet sessions was the point where Brian was becoming less and less of a creative musical factor in the music The Stones made, and I think it bothered him a great deal. Unlike on previous albums, he was not given the chance to shine, to have his unique musical gift appear as the centerpiece of a given track, with the notable exception of No Expectations.

By the way, I enjoy my waffling with a heaping helping of syrup for the sweetness.

Well, I certainly hope the waffling happens with Canadian maple syrup!!

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His Majesty
There was a lot more than just the speakeasy, a chauffeur could drive him and you give rock biographers and journalists far too much credit.

We are talking about 5 - 10 minutes worth of film where he is not in view. None of us know why he isn't in that scene. He could simply be in the control room.

With respect, all this other stuff is just waffling, wild guessing nonsense.

Why not focus on the music within the scene, take interest that bill is playing acoustic for a bit and that they talk about productions ideas similar to Jumpin' Jack Flash for this work in progress track they are working on.

Those are things we actually can have a clue about because it's all there to be seen and heard.

I don't give the music journalists and biographers any credit actually, because like you and I they were not there.

I just go on the assumption that the Beggar's Banquet sessions was the point where Brian was becoming less and less of a creative musical factor in the music The Stones made, and I think it bothered him a great deal. Unlike on previous albums, he was not given the chance to shine, to have his unique musical gift appear as the centerpiece of a given track, with the notable exception of No Expectations.

By the way, I enjoy my waffling with a heaping helping of syrup for the sweetness.

Well, I certainly hope the waffling happens with Canadian maple syrup!!

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What about Brian's contributions to 'Satanic Majesties?' I ask out of curiousity, trying to learn more in general about is musical and creative abilities, role in Stones' music and production, etc.

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His Majesty

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What about Brian's contributions to 'Satanic Majesties?' I ask out of curiousity, trying to learn more in general about is musical and creative abilities, role in Stones' music and production, etc.

He's on 8 out of the 10 tracks on Their Satanic Majesties Request. He doesn't play on 2000 Man and it's not certain if he played on Citadel as Nicky Hopkins played the mellotron on the basic backing track.

The instruments he played of which we can be as certain as possible about and appear on the released album are:

Mellotron, organ, electric dulcimer

This is due to the Satanic Sessions box sets in which you hear ongoing sessions and it's really obvious who's playing what due to the discussions inbetween takes.

Some idiot keeps changing the wikipedia page about the album and making it look like Brian played the entire universe of instruments.

Sing This All Together
Mellotron

Citadel
Possible mellotron and/or soprano saxophone and flute overdubs

In Another Land
Mellotron

2000 Man
Nothing

Sing This All Together (See What Happens)
Mellotron(Keith plays the mellotron flute intro though)

She's a Rainbow
Mellotron

The Lantern
Hammond Organ

Gomper
Electric dulcimer, possibly recorder

2000 Light Years from Home
Mellotron

On with the Show
Mellotron

He's shown playing tamboura during a satanic session and he played soprano saxophone on Dandelion, Mellotron on We Love You.