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How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
Beyond turning Keith on to open G tuning and the use of a capo to easily adjust to different keys he also taught him to eliminate the low string making the root note appear on the top, a neat trick. Did Ry write HT's riff? I suppose that riff is a natural result of fooling with the tuning so perhaps. The Stones wouldn't hire a musician who had no ideas and nothing to contribute, Ry's getting paid as a session guy to be great because he is great, anything beyond that is hindsight and at discretion of the artist paying the musicians.Quote
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How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
Depending on the interview and how they choose to present it they can make Ry look like a very bitter guy. I can't imagine he would claim ownership of Open anything...the tunings have been around forever...He can hang his hat on the fact that he taught KR the tuning if true...but he never wrote Tumbling Dice or Can't You Hear Me Knocking. Ry does great work with John Hiatt that I love but I have never liked solo Ry. He's missing several elements of the soup.
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stonehearted
How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
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DoomandGloomBeyond turning Keith on to open G tuning and the use of a capo to easily adjust to different keys he also taught him to eliminate the low string making the root note appear on the top, a neat trick. Did Ry write HT's riff? I suppose that riff is a natural result of fooling with the tuning so perhaps. The Stones wouldn't hire a musician who had no ideas and nothing to contribute, Ry's getting paid as a session guy to be great because he is great, anything beyond that is hindsight and at discretion of the artist paying the musicians.Quote
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stonehearted
How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
Depending on the interview and how they choose to present it they can make Ry look like a very bitter guy. I can't imagine he would claim ownership of Open anything...the tunings have been around forever...He can hang his hat on the fact that he taught KR the tuning if true...but he never wrote Tumbling Dice or Can't You Hear Me Knocking. Ry does great work with John Hiatt that I love but I have never liked solo Ry. He's missing several elements of the soup.
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How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
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Ry Cooder.....comes across as jealous
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John also blamed The Allmans for lifting One Way Out from I Feel Fine. These were interesting years for Lennon not having people to help edit his flippancy.
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stonehearted
How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?
You know that Ry Cooder doesnt claim that. Keith says he took Ry for all he had. See the threads about Cooder and Stones please.
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why is it noone quotes my intelligent post
We were waiting for you to notice. Very intelligent observation, though, in pointing out that the song is both uptempo and in minor key. Most people don't think of it like that and wouldn't notice anyway--unless they were musicians.
Thanks Stonehearted, thanks for your intelligent remark () I have to ask : is it possible that peple can TALK about music, withhout talking about the MUSIC ?
Wow, 6853, you've practically presented a Zen koan that I could take hours, or even years, attempting to answer. I guess I'll venture and say that talk is talk, but music says it all, really....more than mere words ever could.
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Maybe John has his songs mixed up (Well, he did write a lot of them).
Maybe he meant "Scared" instead of "Bless You".
There is some similarity in the feel and maybe some chords between "Scared" and "Miss You".
The ending guitar solo does sound sort of similar to the "Miss You" melody.
This might be the lick that Lennon was talking about.
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why is it noone quotes my intelligent post
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Their best single since the 60s. Maybe with the exception of BS, imo.
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Their best single since the 60s. Maybe with the exception of BS, imo.
Dandie, I really love you, but here I completely lose you.
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The function of a single is to promote an album, right? Did or did not Miss You succeed in doing so - even more so than its predecessors (maybe except for BS)?
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The function of a single is to promote an album, right? Did or did not Miss You succeed in doing so - even more so than its predecessors (maybe except for BS)?
All their UK singles up to and including 1969 say no.
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His Majesty
You did, a few posts up.
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Miss You, for me, is like Fool to Cry. I feel like I shouldn't like it, but I do.
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His Majesty
You did, a few posts up.
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Miss You, for me, is like Fool to Cry. I feel like I shouldn't like it, but I do.
Best single «since the 60s», I said. And it was.
The reason why you like it says a lot about why it is so brilliant.
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You did, a few posts up.
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Miss You, for me, is like Fool to Cry. I feel like I shouldn't like it, but I do.
Best single «since the 60s», I said. And it was.
The reason why you like it says a lot about why it is so brilliant.
But you are not clear Dandie. Do you mean best sold single or best single in terms of musical quality or both?
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You did, a few posts up.
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Miss You, for me, is like Fool to Cry. I feel like I shouldn't like it, but I do.
Best single «since the 60s», I said. And it was.
The reason why you like it says a lot about why it is so brilliant.
But you are not clear Dandie. Do you mean best sold single or best single in terms of musical quality or both?
I am kleer. I said «the best single», not the best song