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From the book (mine's paperback) Playboy Interviews with John Lennon & Yoko Ono: JOHN LENNON: "'Bless You' is again about Yoko. I think Mick Jagger took 'Bless You' and turned it into 'Miss You'... The engineer kept wanting me to speed that up—he said, 'This is a hit song if you'd just do it fast.' He was right. 'Cause as 'Miss You' it turned into a hit. I like Mick's record better. I have no ill feelings about it. I think it's a GREAT Stones track, and I really love it. But I do hear that lick in it. Could be subconscious or conscious. It's irrelevant. Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."
The only vague similarity you might hear is at 0:30, when Lennon hums a line that he claims Jagger copped for the intro melody of Miss You--still not even close. Lennon was obviously lying about having given up on drugs, because you'd need a pretty good toke and a snort to see the similarities between the two songs that he talks about.
That melodic line is repeated more than once in "Bless You," and I think Lennon's claim is possible, myself. I always wondered why Mick titled it "Miss You" instead of "I Miss You"...until I read the Lennon quote, when I thought maybe Mick— with the similarity of the title—was obliquely tipping his hat to John.
Rod Stewart—I recently read in his autobiography—was sued by Ben Jor because a melodic line in "Da Ya Think I'm Sexy" was similar to one in Ben Jor's song "Taj Majal." Rod had heard the song a bunch in South America, but hadn't consciously copied that line (he says), but when it was pointed out he promptly paid Ben Jor royalties. He realized it was a lift, even if subconscious.
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Yes, and I have read an interview where Lennon says "Scared" and that he felt Mick ripped it off. For the life of me I can't find that interview though!
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Naturalust
I can't hear this tune without thinking of sweaty bodies on the dance floor and white lines in the bathroom.
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howled
Maybe John has his songs mixed up (Well, he did write a lot of them).
Maybe he meant "Scared" instead of "Bless You".
There is some similarity in the feel and maybe some chords between "Scared" and "Miss You".
The ending guitar solo does sound sort of similar to the "Miss You" melody.
This might be the lick that Lennon was talking about.
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The 12" version might just as well be in my top 3 of best ever Stones tracks.
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DoomandGloomIt is great, easily their best remix.Quote
Mathijs
The 12" version might just as well be in my top 3 of best ever Stones tracks.
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DoomandGloomIt is great, easily their best remix.Quote
Mathijs
The 12" version might just as well be in my top 3 of best ever Stones tracks.
Mathijs
for fun - trying playing at a party where there's alot of old people dancing. after about 5 or 6 minutes they start looking around the room for respirators thinking to themselves they used to be able to make it thru the whole song with no prob.
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6853
why is it noone quotes my intelligent post
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Mathijs
The 12" version might just as well be in my top 3 of best ever Stones tracks.
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And When the Whip Comes Down was apparently influenced by the Ramones' 53rd and 3rd. So Mick was "listening around" when writing SOME GIRLS. I can believe the BLESS YOU influence. The lick is similar, and that's all John was talking about. I don't think "John was on drugs" or "the writer got it wrong." Maybe John's wrong, but I can understand why he said what he said.
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why is it noone quotes my intelligent post
We were waiting for you to notice. Very intelligent observation, though, in pointing out that the song is both uptempo and in minor key. Most people don't think of it like that and wouldn't notice anyway--unless they were musicians.
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Title5Take1
And When the Whip Comes Down was apparently influenced by the Ramones' 53rd and 3rd. So Mick was "listening around" when writing SOME GIRLS. I can believe the BLESS YOU influence. The lick is similar, and that's all John was talking about. I don't think "John was on drugs" or "the writer got it wrong." Maybe John's wrong, but I can understand why he said what he said.
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why is it noone quotes my intelligent post
We were waiting for you to notice. Very intelligent observation, though, in pointing out that the song is both uptempo and in minor key. Most people don't think of it like that and wouldn't notice anyway--unless they were musicians.
Thanks Stonehearted, thanks for your intelligent remark () I have to ask : is it possible that peple can TALK about music, withhout talking about the MUSIC ?
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DoomandGloomThere was a nasty rumor in NY that said Mick would send out people with recorders to the popular NY clubs and look to lift some hooks.Quote
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And When the Whip Comes Down was apparently influenced by the Ramones' 53rd and 3rd. So Mick was "listening around" when writing SOME GIRLS. I can believe the BLESS YOU influence. The lick is similar, and that's all John was talking about. I don't think "John was on drugs" or "the writer got it wrong." Maybe John's wrong, but I can understand why he said what he said.
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DoomandGloomThere was a nasty rumor in NY that said Mick would send out people with recorders to the popular NY clubs and look to lift some hooks.Quote
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And When the Whip Comes Down was apparently influenced by the Ramones' 53rd and 3rd. So Mick was "listening around" when writing SOME GIRLS. I can believe the BLESS YOU influence. The lick is similar, and that's all John was talking about. I don't think "John was on drugs" or "the writer got it wrong." Maybe John's wrong, but I can understand why he said what he said.
Musicians listen and absorb...that's influence. In the Nicky Hopkins bio, some guy, can't remember his name, claimed that Mick and Keith would get session musicians to come in and jam in the studio, and they would record the session and use the material without giving credit to these unnamed musicians....
So apparently, there are dozens of sessions players running around writing all these classic riffs....
People who make these kind of claims are just envious. There is one musician who was a bass player in NY in the mid-60s who tried to claim that all the demos recorded by NY session musicians were sent to Muscle Shoals and they (MS guys) would 'copy' the demos and take credit.
Jealousy. That's all that is...
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stonehearted
How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
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stonehearted
How do you do that? You tune the E string down to D, place your fingers there, and pull them off quickly, that’s very good. Keith, perhaps you should see this. And before long, the Rolling Stones were collecting royalties for “Honky Tonk Women,”
Wow, so what exactly is Ry Cooder implying...that he invented the open G tuning? He's very conveniently skipping a whole chunk of the story just to imply that they stole the song off him. And the argument that no other song sounds like HTW is proof that they never wrote it is stupid. "Gimme Shelter" or "Paint It Black" don't sound like any other song in their catalog..so..did they not write those either?