"Jagger this spring closed off the Saturday Night Live season by fronting Arcade
Fire and Foo Fighters. Brilliant stuff; I’d hoped for more of that kind of thing in
the future. His fans and label wanted Jagger with the Stones, though, and he is
giving them what they want, instead of what they need. And that is a shame."

[www.theglobeandmail.com]

1) I felt the same way before the PPV, but the PPV changed my mind. I suddenly
could see them getting a bit more mileage out of their 1962 Cadillac, especially
if they could find room in the back seat for Mick Taylor.

2) But now that I've watched the PPV for a second time, I'm kinda backsliding.
Let's face it, Arcade Fire did a better job with "the last time" and The Foos
did a much better job with IORR. And I don't think Mick Taylor would
change that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-12-19 00:30 by superrevvy.

(the story seems to have been taken down. here it is in full: )

A week ago at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Mick Jagger addressed the crowd
during a Rolling Stones show. “People always ask us, ‘Why do you keep touring?’”
he said. “You’re the reason we really do this.”

So it is our fault. Please, Mick, do nothing on our account.

It is doubtful anyone really asks the Stones why they keep touring. What the
band is continually being asked is to go on tour. Either way, touring to please
fans is an awful reason to do it. Fans are owed nothing.

Do it for yourself, Rolling Stones, or don’t bother. Fans are selfish; the
Stones need to be more so, or else the legacy suffers. There’s nothing at stake
with its recent spate of concerts – no fireworked career send-off involved,
other than the vague, implicit idea that this could be The Last Time. The sound
and vision they’re giving off isn’t limp, just meaningless.

In recent weeks, the New York area has seen a wave, if not a crossfire
hurricane, of these legacy acts. Roughly two billion viewers on Wednesday
evening witnessed the Hurricane Sandy relief concert held at Madison Square
Garden, through telecasts and streaming mediums. That bill was full of elder
rock statesmen, including the Stones, Roger Waters, Paul McCartney, Billy Joel,
Eric Clapton, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, and remnants of the Who.

On Thursday, the Stones played the Prudential Center in Newark, and will do so
again Saturday night for a concert available on a pay-for-view basis. It is part
of the band’s nebulous 50 and Counting tour, marking an arbitrary anniversary.

Neil Young and Crazy Horse, with two new albums under their big-buckled belts,
played Barclays earlier in the month, with Patti Smith as the opening act. The
Who recently performed their 1973 rock opera, Quadrophenia, at the Garden. The
unnaturally creaseless Springsteen is touring, as is Rush, as is Heart, as is ZZ
Top, as is McCartney.

The reason these acts continue to hit the road is as plain as the nipples on
Roger Daltrey’s polished, formidable chest: demand. “You got me rocking, now,”
Jagger sang at the 12/12/12 show. “There ain’t no stopping me.” (Again, it is
“we” who have him rocking.)

Some of these roaming prehistorics continue to be creative; all of them (save
for Bob Dylan) offer credible, vigorous entertainment with generous doses of
nostalgia for the dollar. Young in particular is vital: A pair of solo Le Noise
concerts in 2011 leave Toronto’s Massey Hall in tremor still. “I feel the
strength. I feel your faith in me,” he sang, “I’ll never let you down.”

Young’s oath was Walk With Me, a Marshall-amp pledge of faith. It is a compact
we share with him – he has our support, because we trust his artistic
intentions. Walk with him? To the end of the Earth and Winnipeg.

Led Zeppelin this year released Celebration Day, a concert recording from its
one-off reunion at London’s 02 Arena in 2007. That ballyhooed show was for
closure. Singer Robert Plant resists the call for the band to tour – he’s moved
on, as should we and Jimmy Page.

Many New Yorkers still have bruised memories over the sight of a well-past-it
Willie Mays struggling at Shea Stadium, where legs and reflexes inevitably
failed in the last days of his Hall of Fame career. I never bought into the
notion that his weak denouement tarnished a reputation. Mays played because he
wished to, I assumed, and I saw drama in the Say Hey Kid’s struggle.

So, there is no indignity to Daltrey rounding down the high notes he can no
longer hit. He performs because he is a performer – reigning on, but on his own
passionate terms.

Jagger this spring closed off the Saturday Night Live season by fronting Arcade
Fire and Foo Fighters. Brilliant stuff; I’d hoped for more of that kind of thing
in the future. His fans and label wanted Jagger with the Stones, though, and he
is giving them what they want, instead of what they need. And that is a shame.



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I think that in 2013 Mick will put the final in the band's coffin (last bow and so on) then he'll be free to do what he wants and work with who he wants.

Unlike Keith Mick still has at least 5 years as a pro world-level musician in him.

I think Mick enjoys having guests like the Foo Fighters, like Gaga and younger musicians like Mayer and Clark - he feeds off their energy.
Keith and Ronnie sounded energized by Mayer and Clark and it showed in their playing. Otherwise, I think they get lazy. And Mick must get bored with that - maybe that's why the Stones seemed to lose steam on the 1976 performances...with Keith on dope, Mick didn't have that driving guitarist to pump up the music and energy.
I gotta believe MIck loved watching Ronnie and Keith play so well and with passion in Jersey, but when he was backed by Grohl and especially playing with Mayer and Clark. He seemed to be getting off on watching them rip....I also gotta believe he'd love to work with that kind of energy more. In particular Mayer and Clark, especially Mayer - Mick loved Mick Taylor's live guitar work back in the day...because Mick T. would take it to another level.... Mick J. hasn't had that since Taylor left.
I love Ronnie and Keith, but Taylor, like Mayer, was a true lead guitarist and maybe Mick misses that.
Who knows, but as much as he loves to perform with the Stones - Mick has too much energy to not be driven to play with younger artists.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-12-19 00:57 by stupidguy2.

Yeah, he should definitely go solo, perhaps we can get Primative Cool - Part Deux.

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CindyC
Yeah, he should definitely go solo, perhaps we can get Primative Cool - Part Deux.

I'd actually love to see Mick work again with Mayer and Clark as well as the Black Keys. They could really bring something to the table on a Mick solo album.
No more Rob Thomasas...

Mick should go solo indeed. Primitive Cool and Goddess In The Doorway are such great albums.

Let's work! Be proud! Stand tall! Touch the clouds!

Yeah SNL with the Foo Fighters was tremendous but honestly who cared apart from the Stones fans and these fans would still take the Stones over that any day so...Mick will probably continue to drag along Keith until he checks himself out, hopefully not before it's too late, but didn't Keith say he wanted to croak on stage ?

There might come a point where Mick will decide that Keith can't cut it anymore and they'll just stop playing and Mick will do "small things" like the White House or SNL.

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stupidguy2
I think Mick enjoys having guests like the Foo Fighters, like Gaga and younger musicians like Mayer and Clark - he feeds off their energy.
Keith and Ronnie sounded energized by Mayer and Clark and it showed in their playing. Otherwise, I think they get lazy. And Mick must get bored with that - maybe that's why the Stones seemed to lose steam on the 1976 performances...with Keith on dope, Mick didn't have that driving guitarist to pump up the music and energy.
I gotta believe MIck loved watching Ronnie and Keith play so well and with passion in Jersey, but when he was backed by Grohl and especially playing with Mayer and Clark. He seemed to be getting off on watching them rip....I also gotta believe he'd love to work with that kind of energy more. In particular Mayer and Clark, especially Mayer - Mick loved Mick Taylor's live guitar work back in the day...because Mick T. would take it to another level.... Mick J. hasn't had that since Taylor left.
I love Ronnie and Keith, but Taylor, like Mayer, was a true lead guitarist and maybe Mick misses that.
Who knows, but as much as he loves to perform with the Stones - Mick has too much energy to not be driven to play with younger artists.

Mick looks ridiculous with those younger artists. He does have the energy though.

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DiscoVolante
Mick should go solo indeed. Primitive Cool and Goddess In The Doorway are such great albums.

Let's work! Be proud! Stand tall! Touch the clouds!

Smartass..lol
I was thinking more 'Wandering Spirit'.

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superrevvy
"Jagger this spring closed off the Saturday Night Live season by fronting Arcade
Fire and Foo Fighters. Brilliant stuff; I’d hoped for more of that kind of thing in
the future. His fans and label wanted Jagger with the Stones, though, and he is
giving them what they want, instead of what they need. And that is a shame."

[www.theglobeandmail.com]

1) I felt the same way before the PPV, but the PPV changed my mind. I suddenly
could see them getting a bit more mileage out of their 1962 Cadillac, especially
if they could find room in the back seat for Mick Taylor.

2) But now that I've watched the PPV for a second time, I'm kinda backsliding.
Let's face it, Arcade Fire did a better job with "the last time" and The Foos
did a much better job with IORR. And I don't think Mick Taylor would
change that.

I thought Daryl Jones was awful on The Last Time the other night. Is that what you are talking about?

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gotdablouse
Yeah SNL with the Foo Fighters was tremendous but honestly who cared apart from the Stones fans and these fans would still take the Stones over that any day so...Mick will probably continue to drag along Keith until he checks himself out, hopefully not before it's too late, but didn't Keith say he wanted to croak on stage ?

There might come a point where Mick will decide that Keith can't cut it anymore and they'll just stop playing and Mick will do "small things" like the White House or SNL.

People always assume Keith is the blues guy, butI think if Mick had his preference....he would love to do a back-to-basics strictly blues, soul album
with guys like Clark and Mayer, the Black Keys etc...
It would be fantastic.

If Jagger quits the Stones, he should form a super group with Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, Ringo , and Bob Dylan.

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stupidguy2
I was thinking more 'Wandering Spirit'.

I would love another Wandering Spirit, but not in place of a RS record.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-12-19 01:22 by CindyC.

Silly article, Jagger aint quitting the Stone anytime soon.
Mick gets the most of what Mick wants when he is with the Stones.

The Stones wouldn't be boring if they took some risks. If we were to go examine the reviews of every PPV event they have done, we'd find the same reviews...

"Better than ever."
"Still rocking."
"Proving they are still the greatest rocknroll band in the world."

I don't think Jagger needs to leave the Stones in order to get musical freedom. Doom & Gloom is one of the best Stones tracks in decades. If they'd drop the synth-drum-loop from the live performance, it would be even stronger. Jagger can still write...

Mick Jagger is and always will be weather he likes it or not lead singer of the Rolling Stones and most people don't give a toss what he does without the band.

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slew
Mick Jagger is and always will be weather he likes it or not lead singer of the Rolling Stones and most people don't give a toss what he does without the band.

Mick Jagger is the lead singer of the Rolling Stones? I thought the lead singer was Charlie Watts?

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stupidguy2


People always assume Keith is the blues guy, butI think if Mick had his preference....he would love to do a back-to-basics strictly blues, soul album
with guys like Clark and Mayer, the Black Keys etc...
It would be fantastic.

Yeah, imagine that.




[thepowergoats.com]

All of Jagger's solo albums have been brutal with a capital "B". I'll take Ricahrds and the Wino's or Wood's solo efforts any day of the week...

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slew
Mick Jagger is and always will be weather he likes it or not lead singer of the Rolling Stones and most people don't give a toss what he does without the band.

I read this........Huh? what? you mean unpredictable?......when it comes to warhorses, No way!.......then I read the rest,,,,,sorry Slew, just kidding you.........



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Mick and the Red Devils is great but for some foolish reason he never released it. One song on The greatest hits album. He probably thinks it won't sell it might surprise him if he put it out.

Just seems like a Canadian flag waving article to me. Nothing wrong with that, but take it with a grain of salt because nationality does seem to play a part in this journalists opinions. Neil Young shows are better than The Stones, Arcade Fire made a better backing band for Mick than The Stones, etc.

Besides, the premise the entire article is built around some likely insincere comment Jagger made about doing it for the fans. Are we to believe everything Mick says on stage? As he pointed out on SNL, can he really not hear us? The columnist says they should do it for themselves. I think they are, but had Jagger said "we're doing this for ourselves" (which you clearly wouldn't say on stage in front of a bunch of people paying record prices to see you) I'm sure this person would have a problem with that as well.

the article was written pre PPTV gig.

That gig was insanely awesome.

No wonder it was taken down.

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mitchmitchell
If Jagger quits the Stones, he should form a super group with Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton, Ringo , and Bob Dylan.

The next super group is going to be the Sons Of The Beatles, but that is still a ways off down the road.

Who cares what some journalist sniffing his own farts in wonder thinks? In general the Stones were great the other night. Mick was in top form, but so was Ronnie and Charlie. And Dylan is off on an artistic tear this guy doesn't even get. Yes, there were a lot of rock fossils showing their age at the 12/12/12/ concert, but the Stones weren't one of them. That 'journalist' has no more credibility than any of us on this fabulous blog. Mick solo. Yeah, the world is clamoring for that.

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Max'sKansasCity
Silly article, Jagger aint quitting the Stone anytime soon.
Mick gets the most of what Mick wants when he is with the Stones.

His eyes say he wants out, but like Keith said, there is no getting out alive.

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flacnvinyl
If they'd drop the synth-drum-loop from the live performance, it would be even stronger. Jagger can still write...

HUH? Say it ain't so...

I've seen the PPV 3 times now and was lucky enough to see the first O2 show.

I still can't believe how great they are playing.

And they all really seem to be having fun.

The guests were good and having Mick Taylor back is truly wonderful too.

Like this and with the tour engine running, surely they will do more shows?

Uh, wasn't Mick in a "supergroup" earlier this year? How did that work out again?