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Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: October 26, 2012 22:54

The Foo Fighters rehearsed Stones songs for 3 days and absolutely slayed
on live TV. And at the after-party.

The Stones have rehearsed Stones songs for weeks or months or years now,
depending on how you want to calculate it...

Uh-oh

Mick better play guitar on every song. And I don't mean Taylor.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: deadegad ()
Date: October 26, 2012 22:57

Any boot/torrent yet? Nothing at DimeaDozen.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: stonesnow ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:06

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gotdablouse
Duane in Houston's post is indeed a bit harsh but he makes a point about Ronnie's playing that I made yesterday and that I haven't seen elsewhere really as most reviews say he "shone on guitar"...I don't know if it was the particularly loud sound we had right in the front but (the sound in the video sounds better oddly enough) but I also found most of his playing to be non-descript, except on Doom & Gloom, the rest was very busy and not very striking. The best/worst example of that is MR where he was just running up the scales while Keith was plucking subtly.

More rehearsing should help with that!

this is the way he played throughout the whole "A Bigger Bang" studio recordings and tour...it's obvious on the LP that he came in for a couple of days and just 'played something'...no heart to it whatsoever...i'm not going to get into Ronnie bashing on here as it's played out...but geez i've just never been impressed with him even in his heyday and now i just can't stand his playing...i've always felt that the main reason he's there is because he is a 'yes man' and a lapdog...

Mainly because he has always been the middle man for both Mick and Keith on the personal level. He has fallen out of favor with both Mick and Keith at different times on both a personal and professional level over the years, but he is very clever in that when he is closest to both Mick and Keith he never truly takes one side over the other. He is very good at being the go-between in communications between Mick and Keith, fulfilling the role on the personal level that Chuck Leavell fulfills on the musical level. Ron Wood is the Henry Kissinger of The Stones.

Wood famously remarked how when he ran into Eric Clapton once Clapton said to him, "I could have had your job!", to which Wood knowingly replied, "Yeah, but Eric, I've got to live with 'em!"

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: hitti ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:08

Who is here around 70 years old?
Since the last few days, the discussion about the performance of the Stones is nearly not to understand and ridicoules.
I will be happy to be in this condition when I'm around 70.
I don*t like those called Stones Fans who talking about Stones of the past - yesterdays papers. Take them and shut up, you aliens.

My respect for the Stones, and I paid a scalper.
I'm looking forward for the O2 on 29th. Hope to see some guys who have respect for rocking agers.

Hitti

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:09

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superrevvy
The Foo Fighters rehearsed Stones songs for 3 days and absolutely slayed
on live TV. And at the after-party.

The Stones have rehearsed Stones songs for weeks or months or years now,
depending on how you want to calculate it...

Uh-oh

Because we are all robots and everyone performs equally of each other? I guess the fact that the Foo Fighters are about 30 years younger than the Stones has nothing to do with it also?

You can hate the performance all you want but this type of tired "logic" to justify yourself is ridiculously weak.

A new low for you superrevvy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-26 23:10 by Justin.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: roby ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:14

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hitti
Who is here around 70 years old?
Since the last few days, the discussion about the performance of the Stones is nearly not to understand and ridicoules.
I will be happy to be in this condition when I'm around 70.
I don*t like those called Stones Fans who talking about Stones of the past - yesterdays papers. Take them and shut up, you aliens.

My respect for the Stones, and I paid a scalper.
I'm looking forward for the O2 on 29th. Hope to see some guys who have respect for rocking agers.

Hitti

You go to London too see old legends or to listen well played MUSIC ?

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: klrkcr ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:16




Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: hitti ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:16

to meet some friends who like the situation like it is

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:19

justin, I applaud your bravery

Personally I'm scared as hell right now about where all this seems to be headed

It's one thing to have fun speculating about Mick wanting to maybe bring down
this whole house of cards. Its a whole nother thing to experience it on video tape.
Its making me ill.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: VT22 ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:30

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VT22
From a nostalgic point of view and considering their age / capacities I would say ok.

If they were an unknown band, I wouldn't give a penny for the guitar section.

Exactly. And considering that you are at this special gig; fantastic. But their level of play....sorry guys but if I compare this with recordings like paradiso this is not good enough for me to buy tickets.

Darryl does a good job though.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: TheBlockbuster ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:31

Still hoping they will sound as thight as they did during the club shows 2003.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: VT22 ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:31

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Dreamer
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VT22
From a nostalgic point of view and considering their age / capacities I would say ok.

If they were an unknown band, I wouldn't give a penny for the guitar section.

Exactly. And considering that you are at this special gig; fantastic. But their level of play....sorry guys but if I compare this with recordings like paradiso this is not good enough for me to buy tickets.

Darryl does a good job though, after giving it a second listen.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: lettingitbleed ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:37

Just watched the JJF clip. Are we really saying that their level of play is shite based on a one min clip from a warm up gig? The first time the old dogs have played live in 5 years?

At least hear one full song before saying it's all over now.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:46

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VT22
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Dreamer
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VT22
From a nostalgic point of view and considering their age / capacities I would say ok.

If they were an unknown band, I wouldn't give a penny for the guitar section.

Exactly. And considering that you are at this special gig; fantastic. But their level of play....sorry guys but if I compare this with recordings like paradiso this is not good enough for me to buy tickets.

Darryl does a good job though, after giving it a second listen.

After MJ probably the best musician in the band at this moment.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:47

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lettingitbleed
Just watched the JJF clip. Are we really saying that their level of play is shite based on a one min clip from a warm up gig? The first time the old dogs have played live in 5 years?

At least hear one full song before saying it's all over now.

The problem is that the one minute vid was officially released as a sort of
advertisement for the shows and pay-per-view. If the intent was to boost box
office, no way would have that thing have been issued.

Its a strange sort of ad that advises everybody to save your money and bypass
our product.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:48

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superrevvy
justin, I applaud your bravery

Personally I'm scared as hell right now about where all this seems to be headed

It's one thing to have fun speculating about Mick wanting to maybe bring down
this whole house of cards. Its a whole nother thing to experience it on video tape.
Its making me ill.

Better retire to your sick bed while the going's still good.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: VT22 ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:54

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Dreamer
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VT22
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Dreamer
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VT22
From a nostalgic point of view and considering their age / capacities I would say ok.

If they were an unknown band, I wouldn't give a penny for the guitar section.

Exactly. And considering that you are at this special gig; fantastic. But their level of play....sorry guys but if I compare this with recordings like paradiso this is not good enough for me to buy tickets.

Darryl does a good job though, after giving it a second listen.

After MJ probably the best musician in the band at this moment.

Jagger definitely still is the frontman. Hats off to him for taking the risk.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:55

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superrevvy
The problem is that the one minute vid was officially released as a sort of
advertisement for the shows and pay-per-view. If the intent was to boost box
office, no way would have that thing have been issued.

Its a strange sort of ad that advises everybody to save your money and bypass
our product.

Well personally I think you're talking rubbish.

Sorry.

It was OK as far as I could see.

I would go if I could afford it.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: October 26, 2012 23:55

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superrevvy
justin, I applaud your bravery

Personally I'm scared as hell right now about where all this seems to be headed

It's one thing to have fun speculating about Mick wanting to maybe bring down
this whole house of cards. Its a whole nother thing to experience it on video tape.
Its making me ill.

Yes, I'm suddenly feeling ill myself.eye rolling smiley

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: lettingitbleed ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:06

Perhaps they call it the "No Expectations" tour.

In all seriousness, the concern may be an issue of expectations. They are OLD. Old for rock n rollers, old for active humans in general. Perhaps we should be greatful they are healthy and able bodied enough to dance and wear heavy guitars through a hot sweaty show.

Kind of unfair to compair their performances at this late stage in the game to when they were in their 20s, 30s, or even 50s. It just aint gonna be at that level again.

So that being said, the question is: accept the Stones at 70 for what it is (kind of a more energetic rock n roll version of seeing BB King today) OR determine you wont accept it, stay home and play your records.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:10

And how about the reviews?? Nobody wants to burn his fingers at that so it seems since we just have one from bv which isn't really a review at all. His story is nice though about how he got his ticket, if you like Tintin smoking smiley
That was a joke! Not being negative.
Fantastic to see Jagger move around but it seems to me more and more he is doing so to distract us from how they are playing.
What bv wrote about JJF "Strong, fast, short, tight" is totally bs if you compare that with the video in which JJF is not fast, not strong and not tight at all...
That gives me serious doubts about the entire review which isn't that specific about the music at all and it worries me also that nobody else gave a review.
Don't forget what I said about the experience of being there: grrrreat! I love you all for being there. Fantastic. Hope you see another one, really I do.
But how was the music????
From what I distract out of the video's and this bv review that isn't really a review; considering the music it was not so special at all...
Conclusion: they have lots and lots of work to do.
And they already did...

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:12

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GravityBoy
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superrevvy
The problem is that the one minute vid was officially released as a sort of
advertisement for the shows and pay-per-view. If the intent was to boost box
office, no way would have that thing have been issued.

Its a strange sort of ad that advises everybody to save your money and bypass
our product.

Well personally I think you're talking rubbish.

Sorry.

It was OK as far as I could see.

I would go if I could afford it.

And as far as you could hear??

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:14

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lettingitbleed
Perhaps they call it the "No Expectations" tour.

In all seriousness, the concern may be an issue of expectations. They are OLD. Old for rock n rollers, old for active humans in general. Perhaps we should be greatful they are healthy and able bodied enough to dance and wear heavy guitars through a hot sweaty show.

Kind of unfair to compair their performances at this late stage in the game to when they were in their 20s, 30s, or even 50s. It just aint gonna be at that level again.

So that being said, the question is: accept the Stones at 70 for what it is (kind of a more energetic rock n roll version of seeing BB King today) OR determine you wont accept it, stay home and play your records.

Fair enough. In fact, that was one of the reasons I thought they should have just
come right out and called it a farewell tour (farewell to big expensive shows,
not to music). They could have taken a well-deserved victory lap and lined
their coffers without anybody complaining too much..

But again, they haven't done anything like that. They've advertised it as
"50 and counting", more to come, and possessing "demonic energy" etc.

Another way they could have lowered expectations is to have lowered prices,
making it into a thank-you tour. Full of good vibrations. But instead...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-27 00:16 by superrevvy.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Adams ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:15

Musically everything is fine in the official video. The thing is it has a very thin tinny soundboard sound and that's why it does not appeal much... It totally lacks the power but not because of the band by due to the reason I mentioned above...

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:16

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deadegad
Any boot/torrent yet? Nothing at DimeaDozen.

eye rolling smiley

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:16

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lettingitbleed
Just watched the JJF clip. Are we really saying that their level of play is shite based on a one min clip from a warm up gig? The first time the old dogs have played live in 5 years?

At least hear one full song before saying it's all over now.

And Shattered and WTWCD...and yes when I read the review bv gave and compare that to the JJF clip I think the review (in any case the part about JJF) is not correct. Check yourself!

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:22

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Dreamer
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GravityBoy
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superrevvy
The problem is that the one minute vid was officially released as a sort of
advertisement for the shows and pay-per-view. If the intent was to boost box
office, no way would have that thing have been issued.

Its a strange sort of ad that advises everybody to save your money and bypass
our product.

Well personally I think you're talking rubbish.

Sorry.

It was OK as far as I could see.

I would go if I could afford it.

And as far as you could hear??

Yes see... hear...

But you probably knew that.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: deadegad ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:27

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Gazza
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deadegad
Any boot/torrent yet? Nothing at DimeaDozen.

eye rolling smiley

Are you not excited to hear it?

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Duane in Houston ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:32

I applaud The Stones for 50 years of great music and all that goes along with it. I think it's fantastic that they are taking the dinosaur out (one last time?) to celebrate their 5Oth anniversay as the world's greatest rock-n-roll band. And I am verily impressed that they are getting people to pay $1000 for a ticket.... God Bless free enterprise and good old western capitalism! BUT if you think this is going to be anything other than a public display of how far they have fallen (in a musical sense) then we must simply agree to disagree. I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to keep it real. I love the Stones as much as anybody and I would have LOVED to have seen this club show (even if it looked like it was a complete "sausagefest" ) but I'm not going to put lipstick on a pig and call it Playmate of The Year. By the way, this thread is the funniest thing I've read in months. God bless this website and all of the incredible posters who have the best sense of humor and wit in the world. But you're not going to get this band to play any better next month than they have been playing for the last 10 years. It just ain't gonna happen. The only thing that can save this thing, for me anyway, is to bring in Taylor and Wyman immediately for EVERY song for EVERY show. Am I crazy?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-27 00:40 by Duane in Houston.

Re: Rolling stones secret gig In Paris
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 27, 2012 00:33

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deadegad
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Gazza
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deadegad
Any boot/torrent yet? Nothing at DimeaDozen.

eye rolling smiley

Are you not excited to hear it?

Yes - of course. But considering only about 200-300 fans got in and security was extremely tight, its unlikely someone made an audio recording of it and a bit premature to assume it'll be on a torrent site within 24 hours.

About 25% of the shows on the last Stones tour never even circulated - and many of those took place in stadiums. Getting this one would be a long shot at best. Hope I'm wrong, but there have been a few other warm up gigs that never circulated either as audience recordings.

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