I have the link of the mp3 but I wait for the flac to get a decent listening on high end Hifi. 7 years wait, a few days more I can.

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

The way they played "19th Nervous Breakdown" at Toronto reminds me
the way they played It's All Over Now at Honolulu in 1973.

Anyway I like it, after listening to it twice, you can feel and smell the stage.

HMN

Still not on stonesarchive.

Maybe they'll issue it as a cd, ha ha !

Will they release the Toronto Live 2005 download on stonesarchive.com later for European fans as a hint on or in context of this possible warm up gig in Paris? The show in Toronto was a warm up gig, too, and Keith talks a lot about the necessity to warm up in the video about the google release. I try to make sense of the fact, that it's already available for people in the US, but in Europe people are waiting, which hasn't been the case with the releases before. Do they think people won't fly in to Paris because of this rumour anyway, so they can give it to them earlier?

Or they released it on Google too early accidentally, I mean, it's strange they didn't even report the release on Facebook or Twitter or their website yet, right? They always did with the other albums. So maybe they were a week or so too early on Google, while it was actually planned to release it together with information about the secret gig.

Or, third possible variation of a reason for the delay: In Europe fans were busy with pre-sale of concert tickets and the Hurricane premiere, while the pre-sale in the US started later, so they gave them something to do in the US in between (Toronto 2005 download), Europe will get it a little later. Still I see the album release at this time in the context of a coming warm up gig.

Keith mentions Toronto of course a lot, and Toronto isn't exactly Paris, so it could mean nothing. But there is really much talking about small clubs in the video... and it seems to be the perfect time for this release if you look at the context of a possible warm up gig now.

Rolling Stones: "We're A Club Band"



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maybe mp3 link?

thanxz

Finally listening it... And enjoying a lot... What can I say - this is a club band, the gigs just got bigger. The feeling is so relaxed, like warming up the diesel, and not scared of doing some mistakes, or being so 'serious'. A playful gig.

Absolutely the best version of "Rough Justice", and maybe first time I see some point in the song musically. "Back of My Mind" works nicely as well. Even the fact of including four songs altogether from their latest album sounds fine, as the performances of them as well. The covers, especially "Mr. Pitiful" and "Get Up Stand Up", sound also surprisingly fresh, even inspired sometimes. "19th Nervous Breakdown" is one of their best latter day 60's song versions; finally using some creative imagination is their arrangement/interpretation. Especially Jagger is hilarous. Me likes! A bit same way as with "Get Off My Could" in 1975 or "Under My Thumb"/"Let's Spend The Night Together" in 1981, unlike the boring karaoke replicas typical to Vegas Era.

Of course, the best thing in this release is that the typical Vegas symptoms are almost absent. Which makes me almost sad thinking that they actually were a rather good band - a real rock and roll band - still in 2005, if we they just concentrate on the essential. Damn all that money and fame and 'bigness' which makes everything so damn safe and sure and boring!

Of course, this recording is nothing to really remember afterwards when the legacy is judged, but still a nice reminder that their 'old-time' spirit never totally got lost, even in their Cohlian-branded grandpapa days.

- Doxa



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^ "Back of My Mind" ???

They should have used this as a template for their shows for the rest of the tour. I feel like the ABB tour never found its identity. Open with Rough Justice, keep these core songs along w/ rain fall down and perhaps she saw me comming develop them on the road and once they got in to a groove throw in a few surprises. i think BOMH sounds better during the part when drums are minimal. if they played it all the way through like that perhaps it could have been the you Gotta move of the 2000's.



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^ "Back of My Mind" ???

A typo, sorry. Check the right title on the set list,

- Doxa

sorry, nevermind.



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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Thanks Mathijs!

19nb was one of the few redeeming aspects of the entire tour...they were actually challenging themselves and their audience....almost a dylanesque quality to it...ultimately the stones' "better" instincts took over and it was roundly dropped shortly into the tour....alas!

Boy am I glad That this is the ONE bootleg that I didn't pay for.
That has got to be the weakest Jumping Jack Flash I've ever heard from The Stones (up until now it was from Shine A Light). They sound bored as hell. And Brown Sugar - Mick sounds like a duck.

She's So Cold - I'd forgotten that the band had hugely dumbed-down the arrangement (especially the intro) for the tour. I guess it's too much for Keef - he can't compete with his 1980 self, too hard for him to remember now.
Rough Justice - Mick sounds constipated, or singing like he's holding in a belch the whole time. The guitars are a mess. This really sucks.

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Boy am I glad That this is the ONE bootleg that I didn't pay for.
That has got to be the weakest Jumping Jack Flash I've ever heard from The Stones (up until now it was from Shine A Light). They sound bored as hell. And Brown Sugar - Mick sounds like a duck.

She's So Cold - I'd forgotten that the band had hugely dumbed-down the arrangement (especially the intro) for the tour. I guess it's too much for Keef - he can't compete with his 1980 self, too hard for him to remember now.
Rough Justice - Mick sounds constipated, or singing like he's holding in a belch the whole time. The guitars are a mess. This really sucks.

it's better than that, imo...and who listens to the warhorses on any show since the 70's anyway?

I think She's so cold holds up surprisingly well. I agree with earlier comments about Kieth's sound being muted during Tumblin Dice and Brown Sugar. WTF is up with that? They run out of gas half way through and its only a 15 song set. Its kind of an odd show but not bad.

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19nb was one of the few redeeming aspects of the entire tour...they were actually challenging themselves and their audience....almost a dylanesque quality to it...ultimately the stones' "better" instincts took over and it was roundly dropped shortly into the tour....alas!

Yeah, actually I heard more Dylan than just 'cracy reinterpretation'. Jagger's vocals, emphasizing the last word of the line, reminds me funnily of some old Dylan's manouvres in 1965/66. Which, makes me think, is that actually some kind of - conscious or not - nod to the original inspiration of this song...

- Doxa

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Boy am I glad That this is the ONE bootleg that I didn't pay for.
That has got to be the weakest Jumping Jack Flash I've ever heard from The Stones (up until now it was from Shine A Light). They sound bored as hell. And Brown Sugar - Mick sounds like a duck.

Yeah, probably their least inspired officially released readings of "Tumbling Dice", "Brown Sugar" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash" ever. Especially Keith's riffs are simply a struggle, and sounds like the man is rusty as hell. And Mick sinsg them through autopilot-like. They tend to sound like 'well, let''s play some war horses since a Rolling Stones show without some of them is out of question. Let them have them, and let's get the hell out of here'.

Over-all there is certain lazyness all-over in the show, like not trying with a full force. But think it generally is freshing to hear, and make them sound more human. Like lacking that professional attitude that is so boring and lame and teflon-like in their 'standard' shows directed to more typical and bigger audiences. I think Jagger's half-serious vocals generally have much more edge than his typical forced sounding, vocal-coached deliveries. Reminds me sometimes of 1981/82 era.

This goes pretty much in a line what I tend to like most in their late-day documentaries covering their tours; they namely sound somehow more relaxed and earthy and 'groovy' in some non-formal circumstances (rehearsals etc.) than in actual concerts. So TORONTO PHOENIX captures the band nicely still in that 'rehearsal mood'. Which I think is much more interesting than the 'final product'. They don't bother to keep up the appearances - whatever they do sounds rather natural, instictive - coming from their actual mood, be it inspired or not.

- Doxa



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Correct, Doxa.

That brings to mind worried about you on the licks documetary,when they shuffle out that night for a little practice run that gives you the little glimpse of how cool and effortless things once were.



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Boy am I glad That this is the ONE bootleg that I didn't pay for.
That has got to be the weakest Jumping Jack Flash I've ever heard from The Stones (up until now it was from Shine A Light). They sound bored as hell. And Brown Sugar - Mick sounds like a duck.

She's So Cold - I'd forgotten that the band had hugely dumbed-down the arrangement (especially the intro) for the tour. I guess it's too much for Keef - he can't compete with his 1980 self, too hard for him to remember now.
Rough Justice - Mick sounds constipated, or singing like he's holding in a belch the whole time. The guitars are a mess. This really sucks.

Weird that your download only came with 4 songs. Mine came with 15. You should steal yourself the full concert.

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and who listens to the warhorses on any show since the 70's anyway?

You'd think that, wouldn't ya?

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Finally listening it... And enjoying a lot... What can I say - this is a club band, the gigs just got bigger. The feeling is so relaxed, like warming up the diesel, and not scared of doing some mistakes, or being so 'serious'. A playful gig.

Absolutely the best version of "Rough Justice", and maybe first time I see some point in the song musically. "Back of My Mind" works nicely as well. Even the fact of including four songs altogether from their latest album sounds fine, as the performances of them as well. The covers, especially "Mr. Pitiful" and "Get Up Stand Up", sound also surprisingly fresh, even inspired sometimes. "19th Nervous Breakdown" is one of their best latter day 60's song versions; finally using some creative imagination is their arrangement/interpretation. Especially Jagger is hilarous. Me likes! A bit same way as with "Get Off My Could" in 1975 or "Under My Thumb"/"Let's Spend The Night Together" in 1981, unlike the boring karaoke replicas typical to Vegas Era.

Of course, the best thing in this release is that the typical Vegas symptoms are almost absent. Which makes me almost sad thinking that they actually were a rather good band - a real rock and roll band - still in 2005, if we they just concentrate on the essential. Damn all that money and fame and 'bigness' which makes everything so damn safe and sure and boring!

Of course, this recording is nothing to really remember afterwards when the legacy is judged, but still a nice reminder that their 'old-time' spirit never totally got lost, even in their Cohlian-branded grandpapa days.

- Doxa

Glad you got to finally hear it. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the warhorses are completely dismissible---which is fine by me. The warhorses don't have anything left to give: the Stones aren't looking for anything new in those songs--and neither am I. Luckily the rest of the concert offers us glimpses of the band we used to know. One listens to this type of show...a club show, intimate setting, maybe a couple hundred people... and we see just how well the environment works for them. It makes you wonder how they could ever choose to play in a room bigger than a theater. It boggles the mind. And it's a depressing thought.

Thank you Mathijs

Thanks Mathijs
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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

No idea. The previous vault releases were available in Europe 1-2 days after being available on googlemusic, but not this one

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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

No idea. The previous vault releases were available in Europe 1-2 days after being available on googlemusic, but not this one

Well, I guess there's still hope.
What a FLACing joke!!!



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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

No idea. The previous vault releases were available in Europe 1-2 days after being available on googlemusic, but not this one

Well, I guess there's still hope.
What a FLACing joke!!!

I think it would be a lot better if they released a different show for the Europe; 'cos then we'd have two instead of one, as installment 5 of the series. For instance the warm up gig from Amsterdam 1995 or 100 Club 1982....that would make sense

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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

No idea. The previous vault releases were available in Europe 1-2 days after being available on googlemusic, but not this one

Well, I guess there's still hope.
What a FLACing joke!!!

I think it would be a lot better if they released a different show for the Europe; 'cos then we'd have two instead of one, as installment 5 of the series. For instance the warm up gig from Amsterdam 1995 or 100 Club 1982....that would make sense

That would be a great idea.
As there are all in sequence so far I have a funny feeling the last one will be one of the 2012 shows. They've clearly thrown out the "already famous bootleg" theme which just adds to my suspicions.

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As there are all in sequence so far I have a funny feeling the last one will be one of the 2012 shows. They've clearly thrown out the "already famous bootleg" theme which just adds to my suspicions.

I doubt it, since all vault releases was prepared in Sept 2011. At that time they probably didn't even know if they were going to play live again.

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how about FLAC link? thanks

Again, it's not available in FLAC. Not available for europeans at all.

Is this a temporary thing or are we not getting it ever?

No idea. The previous vault releases were available in Europe 1-2 days after being available on googlemusic, but not this one

Well, I guess there's still hope.
What a FLACing joke!!!

I think it would be a lot better if they released a different show for the Europe; 'cos then we'd have two instead of one, as installment 5 of the series. For instance the warm up gig from Amsterdam 1995 or 100 Club 1982....that would make sense

That would be a nice surprise. But the thing is, even though these releases do not make much money, they are losing it every day now. Everyone wanting to have this show will have it in a form or other easily... Makes me think someone is screwing up things big time now.

- Doxa



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