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Brown Sugar?

Hell, some common themes even in the mass of disagreement. I think on reflection JJ Flash and HTW are probably more archetypal than my first thoughts. Thanks...as always.

I concur with Brown Sugar. It's raw, has that slight 'countryish-rock' americana feel.

Really quite a good song.

The only reason I wouldn't pick Brown Sugar is that Jagger wrote both the music and lyrics. Otherwise it is indeed perfect Stones...I think an archetypal Stones song should really be Keith's riff with Jagger's vocals.

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The only reason I wouldn't pick Brown Sugar is that Jagger wrote both the music and lyrics. Otherwise it is indeed perfect Stones...I think an archetypal Stones song should really be Keith's riff with Jagger's vocals.

It is Keith`s guitar...Jagger just got really good at recreating the KR sound. I don`t think we discard the song on that basis.

I defy you to come up with a better alternative. I immediately thought of Rocks Off but went with Brown Sugar as I think the song should be immediately known and with Brown Sugar, way more people know it because it was a single.

Tumbling Dice is great, but I think the archetypal song should be a bit faster. Honky Tonk Women, too country to be archetypal.

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The only reason I wouldn't pick Brown Sugar is that Jagger wrote both the music and lyrics. Otherwise it is indeed perfect Stones...I think an archetypal Stones song should really be Keith's riff with Jagger's vocals.

It is Keith`s guitar...Jagger just got really good at recreating the KR sound. I don`t think we discard the song on that basis.

I defy you to come up with a better alternative. I immediately thought of Rocks Off but went with Brown Sugar as I think the song should be immediately known and with Brown Sugar, way more people know it because it was a single.

Tumbling Dice is great, but I think the archetypal song should be a bit faster. Honky Tonk Women, too country to be archetypal.

Jumpin' Jack Flash is a better alternative, but what is better is just something to argue about. Like all other one song choices it's too one dimensial to truly define what they are/were.



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I do see what you are saying and as I said it is probably the classic Stones sound, feel, lyrics etc etc...but surely it should be a Jagger/Richards joint effort in the true sense of the word i.e a significant input from both n the writing stage...maybe not, I don't know. I can't actually remember if Jagger wrote the riff in a 5 string tuning, if not then that is what Keith brought to the table and if so then I'd agree 100% with you treacle.

Good point Mr Majesty...it's unlikely any one song could every be agreed on and JJ Flash like BS is instantly recognisable as the Stones and has all the necessary ingrediants - but then again so does Start Me Up!

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The only reason I wouldn't pick Brown Sugar is that Jagger wrote both the music and lyrics. Otherwise it is indeed perfect Stones...I think an archetypal Stones song should really be Keith's riff with Jagger's vocals.

It is Keith`s guitar...Jagger just got really good at recreating the KR sound. I don`t think we discard the song on that basis.

I defy you to come up with a better alternative. I immediately thought of Rocks Off but went with Brown Sugar as I think the song should be immediately known and with Brown Sugar, way more people know it because it was a single.

Tumbling Dice is great, but I think the archetypal song should be a bit faster. Honky Tonk Women, too country to be archetypal.

Jumpin' Jack Flash is a better alternative, but what is better is just something to argue about. Like all other one song choices it's too one dimensial to truly define what they are/were.

Your point is totally valid...especially for a band like the stones which covered so many varied styles so well.

Therefore, it is a 'fun' challenge to try and come up with one single song that can best encapsulate it all, or as much as possible. For me, at least today, I'd go with Brown Sugar. Love JJF, and prefer it as a song, but because it is missing that 'country' vibe, that's why I'd go with Brown Sugar.

Jumpin Jack Flash, Honky Tonk Woman, Brown Sugar . .

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One has to look at their whole catalogue to choose an 'archetypal' Stones song. And since the quality level isn't there for a great portion of that (pre-1966 and post-1981 especially) and 'iffy' in many cases within those parameters... to choose one of their 'greatest' or 'most loved tracks' cannot apply.

I think Crazy Mama from Black and Blue is a great example of 'typical' Stones. Open G riffing, Jagger's mysogany is there (for the angry nerdboys who like that), simple beat, mid-tempo song with more attitude than substance. A song they can crank out in their sleep at the time, but not a bad song.

It's the kind of song that if you 'sort of' know the band, and haven't heard this song, it's INSTANTLY recognizable as a Stones track. Go on, try it, I've done so myself with people. And THAT, my friends, is the sign of a good ARCHETYPICAL Stones song.

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Almost impossible but my vote would be Jumpin Jack Flash

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One has to look at their whole catalogue to choose an 'archetypal' Stones song. And since the quality level isn't there for a great portion of that (pre-1966 and post-1981 especially) and 'iffy' in many cases within those parameters... to choose one of their 'greatest' or 'most loved tracks' cannot apply.

I think Crazy Mama from Black and Blue is a great example of 'typical' Stones. Open G riffing, Jagger's mysogany is there (for the angry nerdboys who like that), simple beat, mid-tempo song with more attitude than substance. A song they can crank out in their sleep at the time, but not a bad song.

It's the kind of song that if you 'sort of' know the band, and haven't heard this song, it's INSTANTLY recognizable as a Stones track. Go on, try it, I've done so myself with people. And THAT, my friends, is the sign of a good ARCHETYPICAL Stones song.

I remember hearing SMU the first time on a clock radio, not knowing there was a new stones album coming out and knew INSTANTLY it was the Stones, just from the guitar.

That baby, is archetypal.

Star Star....oh sod it, @#$%&

This song has it all for me

my vote goes to Jumpin Jack Flash!

some other songs mentioned here would be a good choice too, as Brown Sugar, Tumblin Dice or Star Star.

others dont fit - i dont consider neither "cant you hear me knocking" nor "Crazy Mama" as "typical" stones songs. satisfaction is by far their biggest success and most popular song, but i dont consider it "arhitypical"(but there is no doubt that it is great)

Satisfaction. Keef has said countless times that every Stones rocker is a variation on Satisfaction. It's the archetypal Stones song, and one of about a handful of truly archetypal rock 'n' roll songs, along with the likes of Like a Rolling Stone (Dylan), That's All Right (Elvis), You Really Got Me (Kinks), and Dust My Broom (Robert Johnson).

the great thing about the Stones is they wrote a lot of archetypal Stones songs.

I wish I could say 'Rip this joint'....

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